Re: [SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website

[amos]

Sounds like just what WebCollage (http://www.webcollage.com) do.

Basically what their product does is to translate the "syndicated" site
(your site in your case) into javascript which is then accessed through
a "javascript src=..." tag in the container site (the site of the partners).
All the partner has to do is to embed a '' tag
in order to contain the syndicated (and possibly customized) parts
of your site into their. The user don't see any of this and keeps seeing
the URL from the partner.

Lots of HTML and HTTP wizardry goes into this, including support for
single-sign-on and session tracking, among other stuff.

You might learn more from the "Interactive Web Services" paper in
http://www.webcollage.com/html/products/product_documents.asp

Disclosure: I have stocks in the company (but I don't work for them).

Cheers,

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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:41:23 +1100, Taryn East
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I've been given the task of doing a single-login and am having trouble
> finding out how to do it...
> 
> the issue is that our business allows some of our website to be viewable
> through the website of some of our "channel partners". These channel
> partners have a login to our website to allow them to do this.
> 
> However, the channel partners have customers that only have a login to
> the channel-partner websites... and the channel partners don't want to
> directly give them the login to our site, but do want the pages
> displayed (generally using yucky frames... but hey).
> 
> ok, now they aparrently used to do this by having a url with the
> username/password in it (ie using "basic" http authentication with the
> login details as parameters).
> 
> Firstly this is unsafe and secndly - microsoft (in a rare moment where
> their interests align with ours) has turned this feature off in IE (to
> stop address-bar spoofing).
> 
> I need some sort of alternative method of doing this, however all the
> 'help" files on this issue seem to just say: let the users get the
> prompt and login...
> the problem with this being that the user does not have the login
> details and will not be given them - ie this is not a solution for me
> :(
> 
> Now when this issue first came up I got all enthusiastic and went
> wandring through the web and found that you can send the details in an
> http header etc etc... however I seem to have hit a brick wall in that I
> don't see how to actually send that.
> 
> There is a hell of a lot on the web on autologin functions from the
> recipient side fo things (ie the one receiving the login details) but we
> need some code to hand to our channel partners that can run on their
> server to send the login details to us... something that can be
> activated through a normal webpage that will not bug the user for
> anything.
> 
> I trawled through the HTTP specs and the PHP pages looking for anything
> that might help, but I readily admit that I'm doing a random search - I
> don't really know where to go look for this stuff.
> 
> Does anyone here have any ideas? Even just some general direction on a
> good place to go looking?
> 
> Cheers and thanks in advance,
> Taryn
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Re: [SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website

[Mike MacCana]

Taryn East wrote:
they aparrently used to do this by having a url with the
username/password in it (ie using "basic" http authentication with the
login details as parameters).
Firstly this is unsafe and secndly - microsoft (in a rare moment where
their interests align with ours) has turned this feature off in IE (to
stop address-bar spoofing).
I need some sort of alternative method of doing this, however all the
'help" files on this issue seem to just say: let the users get the
prompt and login...
the problem with this being that the user does not have the login
details and will not be given them
Do you have a Kerberos server (KDC)? Their web client (IE/FF) could send 
a kerberos ticket for authentication,  and get access in a secure 
fashion without prompting them for anything.

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Jeff Waugh]

> Except for
> 
>But in a connected, digital world, the threat to copyright
>holders is far greater. Witness the downfall of the music
>industry in recent years. (The Australian record industry
>has lobbied against changing Australian copyright law).

Indeed. I think they should start blaming the radio stations. But then,
they'd only be blaming themselves by proxy. ;-)

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Jeff Waugh]

> I think the whole message of the first article (which is very different to
> the second article) is that all Australians are criminals when it comes to
> copyright law

The article says "decriminalise" once, which I'd be happy to put down to
hyperbole, given the rest. It correctly points out that recording from the
TV and ripping a CD are not legal, which is *true*. Our copyright law
doesn't allow for (private) "fair use" or "time shifting" (as US law does).

> so don't complain when criminal copyright laws are introduced.

I can't see anything in the article that suggests this. In fact most of the
article is about introducing "fair use" to offset our existing copyright law
problems exacerbated by the FTA's DMCA laws.

> Nevermind the fact that copying-stuff-off-tv has never been a criminal
> act. 

Not criminal, but certainly not legal.

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[SLUG] Re: safe(ish) single-login from website

[Matthew Palmer]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:41:23PM +1100, Taryn East wrote:
> I've been given the task of doing a single-login and am having trouble
> finding out how to do it...
> 
> the issue is that our business allows some of our website to be viewable
> through the website of some of our "channel partners". These channel
> partners have a login to our website to allow them to do this.
> 
> However, the channel partners have customers that only have a login to
> the channel-partner websites... and the channel partners don't want to
> directly give them the login to our site, but do want the pages
> displayed (generally using yucky frames... but hey).

There's lots of things that can be done with cookies:

The bog-basic way -- have the channel partner set a cookie for your site
containing info on them.  Maybe base64 encode it to keep out the casual
poker.

The hyper-secure option -- Provide each of your channel partners with the
public portion of an asymmetric key, with which they encrypt the contents of
the cookie, typically a unique ID of some sort, of perhaps other useful
info.  Your site then decrypts the cookie with the private portion of the
key, and (assuming everything matches) grants appropriate access.  Use
asymmetric rather than symmetric so that insecurity at the other sites won't
screw *you* over, and use a different key pair for each channel partner so
that you can prove which partner provided the referral.

The WS option -- Have the channel partner generate a unique ID and send it
to your site via some sort of basic SOAP interface, and hand the same ID (or
derivative) to the user in a cookie set for your site.

Alternately, the channel partners could have individual portal pages which
they point their users to, which you then set cookies or whatever to
identify the visitor and they get redirected to the right place.

> ok, now they aparrently used to do this by having a url with the
> username/password in it (ie using "basic" http authentication with the
> login details as parameters).

Eeew.  Why bother even *having* logins if they're going to send them to
anyone that asks for them?

> There is a hell of a lot on the web on autologin functions from the
> recipient side fo things (ie the one receiving the login details) but we
> need some code to hand to our channel partners that can run on their
> server to send the login details to us... something that can be

Details of the partners' sites?  If you're going to write it for them,
unless they're all using the same environment and roughly the same websites,
you're not going to be able to send them a one-size-fits-all bit of code.

- Matt


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Re: [SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website

[Rob Sharp]

Hi

I'm guessing that you use PHP, and if you are, then the CURL library
is your friend...

http://au2.php.net/curl

You should be able to authenticate to the remote site and 'proxy' the
pages to the users browser by echoing the server response to the
browser... You could then rewrite their links to use your 'proxy'.

Hope that points you in the right direction.

Rob.



On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:41:23 +1100, Taryn East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I've been given the task of doing a single-login and am having trouble
> finding out how to do it...
> 
> the issue is that our business allows some of our website to be viewable
> through the website of some of our "channel partners". These channel
> partners have a login to our website to allow them to do this.
> 
> However, the channel partners have customers that only have a login to
> the channel-partner websites... and the channel partners don't want to
> directly give them the login to our site, but do want the pages
> displayed (generally using yucky frames... but hey).
> 
> ok, now they aparrently used to do this by having a url with the
> username/password in it (ie using "basic" http authentication with the
> login details as parameters).
> 
> Firstly this is unsafe and secndly - microsoft (in a rare moment where
> their interests align with ours) has turned this feature off in IE (to
> stop address-bar spoofing).
> 
> I need some sort of alternative method of doing this, however all the
> 'help" files on this issue seem to just say: let the users get the
> prompt and login...
> the problem with this being that the user does not have the login
> details and will not be given them - ie this is not a solution for me
> :(
> 
> Now when this issue first came up I got all enthusiastic and went
> wandring through the web and found that you can send the details in an
> http header etc etc... however I seem to have hit a brick wall in that I
> don't see how to actually send that.
> 
> There is a hell of a lot on the web on autologin functions from the
> recipient side fo things (ie the one receiving the login details) but we
> need some code to hand to our channel partners that can run on their
> server to send the login details to us... something that can be
> activated through a normal webpage that will not bug the user for
> anything.
> 
> I trawled through the HTTP specs and the PHP pages looking for anything
> that might help, but I readily admit that I'm doing a random search - I
> don't really know where to go look for this stuff.
> 
> Does anyone here have any ideas? Even just some general direction on a
> good place to go looking?
> 
> Cheers and thanks in advance,
> Taryn
> 
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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Glen Turner]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
This is probably better off on slug-chat, but given that you've raised it
here: What exactly is objectionable in these articles? They seem entirely
balanced, reasonable and well-informed to me.
Except for
   But in a connected, digital world, the threat to copyright
   holders is far greater. Witness the downfall of the music
   industry in recent years. (The Australian record industry
   has lobbied against changing Australian copyright law).
when the ARIA figures show no such thing.  The ARIA figures
show a decline in value, but no decline in sales volume.
Furthermore sales volumes and revenue for Australian artists
has increased (thanks mainly to Delta Goodrem).  All in all,
the copyright parallel importation changes have worked better
than could have been hoped, with the only losers being the
record companies which import overseas product (as was the
intent of the change, to stop the copyright-granted monopoly
for importing overseas recordings from ripping off Australian
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Re: [SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website

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[SLUG] safe(ish) single-login from website

[Taryn East]

I've been given the task of doing a single-login and am having trouble
finding out how to do it...

the issue is that our business allows some of our website to be viewable
through the website of some of our "channel partners". These channel
partners have a login to our website to allow them to do this.

However, the channel partners have customers that only have a login to
the channel-partner websites... and the channel partners don't want to
directly give them the login to our site, but do want the pages
displayed (generally using yucky frames... but hey).

ok, now they aparrently used to do this by having a url with the
username/password in it (ie using "basic" http authentication with the
login details as parameters).

Firstly this is unsafe and secndly - microsoft (in a rare moment where
their interests align with ours) has turned this feature off in IE (to
stop address-bar spoofing).

I need some sort of alternative method of doing this, however all the
'help" files on this issue seem to just say: let the users get the
prompt and login...
the problem with this being that the user does not have the login
details and will not be given them - ie this is not a solution for me
:(


Now when this issue first came up I got all enthusiastic and went
wandring through the web and found that you can send the details in an
http header etc etc... however I seem to have hit a brick wall in that I
don't see how to actually send that.

There is a hell of a lot on the web on autologin functions from the
recipient side fo things (ie the one receiving the login details) but we
need some code to hand to our channel partners that can run on their
server to send the login details to us... something that can be
activated through a normal webpage that will not bug the user for
anything.


I trawled through the HTTP specs and the PHP pages looking for anything
that might help, but I readily admit that I'm doing a random search - I
don't really know where to go look for this stuff.

Does anyone here have any ideas? Even just some general direction on a
good place to go looking?

Cheers and thanks in advance,
Taryn



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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[QuantumG]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
The lack of context on "welcomed the move" does not change the entire nature
of the article, or significantly impact on its message.
 

I think the whole message of the first article (which is very different 
to the second article) is that all Australians are criminals when it 
comes to copyright law so don't complain when criminal copyright laws 
are introduced.  Nevermind the fact that copying-stuff-off-tv has never 
been a criminal act. 

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Jeff Waugh]

> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> >Missing context for a quote can't be anything other than an old school
> >propaganda technique? Sheesh... Take off your tin foil hats, guys.
>
> Umm no.  Did you read the article?  The writer has deliberately gone to
> the effort of placing those two paragraphs together to imply that the ACA
> is supporting criminal prosecution for copyright infringement.

The lack of context on "welcomed the move" does not change the entire nature
of the article, or significantly impact on its message.

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Re: [SLUG] browser "follow me"

[Peter Hardy]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 15:30 +1100, Julio Cesar Ody wrote:
> I'm creating a browser based "follow me" feature for a system, which
> allows a user (higher privileges, let's call it master) to navigate on
> the web, and the remaining users in the same session (less privileges,
> slaves) are "dragged" to the same webpages.

I've been tinkering with Jybe ( http://jybe.com/ ) lately. It lets
multiple users share a browser session, but has no concept of a master
and slaves - everybody in the session can click on a link or type in a
new URL and everybody gets the new page. I've tested the plugin with
firefox on different platforms and IE and they're all great.

I've only just now read the licence, though, and it's only beer-free.
Probably not really what you're looking for. :-(

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[QuantumG]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
Missing context for a quote can't be anything other than an old school
propaganda technique? Sheesh... Take off your tin foil hats, guys.
 

Umm no.  Did you read the article?  The writer has deliberately gone to 
the effort of placing those two paragraphs together to imply that the 
ACA is supporting criminal prosecution for copyright infringement.

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Howard Lowndes]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 14:22, QuantumG wrote:
> Craige McWhirter wrote:
> 
> >http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Copyright-laws-under-review/2005/02/14/1108229936338.html?oneclick=true
> >http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Brave-new-world-for-a-couch-potato/2005/02/14/1108229927903.html
> >  
> >
> 
> Anyone able to share a login for this stuff?  Stupid New York Times 
> wanna-bes.

Just kill off the cookies each time.

> 
> Trent
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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Jeff Waugh]

> I've heard back from Charles Britton of the ACA, that first article is
> definitely engaging in some old school propaganda techniques.

Missing context for a quote can't be anything other than an old school
propaganda technique? Sheesh... Take off your tin foil hats, guys.

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[QuantumG]

I've heard back from Charles Britton of the ACA, that first article is 
definitely engaging in some old school propaganda techniques.  It 
contains this text:

---
  Tough new laws will be introduced by 2007 as part of the US-Australia 
free-trade agreement. Anyone found guilty of unlocking an  encrypted 
code that prevents multiple copies of a CD being made faces a two-year 
jail sentence.

  The Australian Consumers' Association welcomed the move but a 
spokesman, Charles Britton, said: "We feel that if you pay to get access 
to something then you should be able to go back to it again. We would 
not want to see a fair-use right given by law only to be taken away by 
technology."
---

which implies that the ACA welcomes the "tough new laws" when actually 
the ACA has only shown support for reform to copyright law to permit 
format changing and off-air recording.

For reference, here's my email to Charles Britton and his reply.
==
Hi Trent
Not a misquote, but missing context - the proposal we welcome is what
Ruddock was talking about - an inquiry into consumer copying rights,
sympathetic to format changing off-air recording etc. Certainly NOT
happy about criminalisation of consumers as delivered by the recent
FTA.
Best regards
Charles Britton

QuantumG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/15 2:54 pm >>>
 

An online article in the Sydney Morning Herald,
   
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Copyright-laws-under-review/2005/02/14/1108229936338.html?oneclick=true

has this quote:
   Tough new laws will be introduced by 2007 as part of the 
US-Australia free-trade agreement. Anyone found guilty of unlocking an

encrypted code that prevents multiple copies of a CD being made faces a
two-year jail sentence.
   The Australian Consumers' Association welcomed the move but a 
spokesman, Charles Britton, said: "We feel that if you pay to get
access 
to something then you should be able to go back to it again. We would 
not want to see a fair-use right given by law only to be taken away by

technology."
I was wondering if that was actually correct?  Did you say that the ACA
supports a two-year jail sentence for bypassing the trivial
"encryption" 
that is to be found on consumer media?  Is this the official position
of 
the ACA?

Seems a bit silly doesn't it?  "Gee, what are you in for?" "Oh, I 
knocked over a petrol station, got 2 years, you?" "Yeah, I got two
years 
too... for copying a CD."

Trent Waddington

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[SLUG] browser "follow me"

[Julio Cesar Ody]

Hi all,

I'm creating a browser based "follow me" feature for a system, which
allows a user (higher privileges, let's call it master) to navigate on
the web, and the remaining users in the same session (less privileges,
slaves) are "dragged" to the same webpages.
So far I tried to create a 1px frame containing a javascript capturing
click events, or the links that the "master" user is clicking on. This
on the master side, this script writes in a database the last link
that received a click. And on the slave side, the script fetches the
link clicked by the master from the database, and directs the page
frame to it.
So far so good, but the problem is, if I go to any webpage hosted in a
different domain than the one my javascript is, it doesn't capture any
clicks at all. I understand this is a security setting from web
browsers (isn't it?).
Before I jump into ActiveX shit and XUL, I wanted to know if anybody
has any information about a software (free, open) that does this job.
Any help is appreciated. Cheers.



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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[QuantumG]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
Summary of the couch potato article, by paragraph (media analysis is so much
fun). I'm yet to find anything seriously objectionable. The article actually
summarises our point of view on copyright issues very well, and right up
front, which is unusual.
 

Yes, this article is a lot better than the first one.  I've emailed 
Charles Britton from the ACA to ask him if he actually did pledge his 
support for a two year jail sentence for bypassing the trivial 
"encryption" found on consumer media, as the SMH article claims.  If I 
get a reply I'll post it on the list.

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Jeff Waugh]

> This is probably better off on slug-chat, but given that you've raised it
> here: What exactly is objectionable in these articles? They seem entirely
> balanced, reasonable and well-informed to me. Quoting the big end of town
> when writing an article about a controversial topic is not exactly
> pandering to their desires.

Summary of the couch potato article, by paragraph (media analysis is so much
fun). I'm yet to find anything seriously objectionable. The article actually
summarises our point of view on copyright issues very well, and right up
front, which is unusual.

 * Accurate description of problems caused by our current copyright laws,
   and their application to common modern technology (1 & 2).

 * Accurate detail of the problem (fair use), plus further information about
   the DMCA based laws being introduced via the FTA (3 & 4).

 * Ruddock's opinion, which surprisingly gels with ours even though it ought
   to be common sense, on what the article describes as a "threat to
   liberty" (5-7).

 * Balancing these statements with questions about artist compensation (7-9)

 * Description of new technology, PVRs, and legal term, time-shifting (10 &
   11)

 * Impact on stakeholder, Foxtel (12-17)

 * Impact on stakeholder, Panasonic (18)

 * Impact on stakeholder, Damian Ivereigh (19-22)

 * Comparison of analogue and digital tools, introduce digital convergence
   (23, 24)

 * Comments from expert source, Kim Weatherall (who is well known to anyone
   involved in the LA/FTA project and other digital rights issues), and some
   analysis (25-28)

 * Stakeholder (Foxtel) response to these issues (29)

 * Comments from expert source, Simon Lake, supporting evidence from Harvey
   Norman and Gfk (30-32)

 * Opposing/commingled views to fair use (33-38) from various sources

Competition an obstacle for Foxtel

 * Introduction of technology vs. network infighting / pay TV issue, new
   product from Foxtel and crucial 'electronic program guide' issue (1,2)

 * Program guide only available for Nine, which reduces product
   functionality (3,4)

 * Seven and Ten not providing program guides, evidence of Foxtel and Nine
   relationship (5)

 * Evidence to suggest lower penetration of pay TV in Australia, with
   supporting expert evidence (6-8)

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Rob Sharp]

I use the firefox plugin for bugmetnot, which adds right click
form-filling power to your browser.

http://roachfiend.com/archives/2005/02/07/bugmenot/




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> Benno wrote:
> 
> >www.bugmenot.com is great for that kind of thing.
> >
> >
> username: bug_menot
> password: bugmenot
> 
> for anyone who wants it.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[QuantumG]

Benno wrote:
www.bugmenot.com is great for that kind of thing.
 

username: bug_menot
password: bugmenot
for anyone who wants it.
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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Benno]

On Tue Feb 15, 2005 at 13:22:31 +1000, QuantumG wrote:
>Craige McWhirter wrote:
>
>>http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Copyright-laws-under-review/2005/02/14/1108229936338.html?oneclick=true
>>http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Brave-new-world-for-a-couch-potato/2005/02/14/1108229927903.html
>> 
>>
>
>Anyone able to share a login for this stuff?  Stupid New York Times 
>wanna-bes.

www.bugmenot.com is great for that kind of thing.
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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[QuantumG]

Craige McWhirter wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Copyright-laws-under-review/2005/02/14/1108229936338.html?oneclick=true
http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Brave-new-world-for-a-couch-potato/2005/02/14/1108229927903.html
 

Anyone able to share a login for this stuff?  Stupid New York Times 
wanna-bes.

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Re: [SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Jeff Waugh]

> http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Copyright-laws-under-review/2005/02/14/1108229936338.html?oneclick=true
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Brave-new-world-for-a-couch-potato/2005/02/14/1108229927903.html
> 
> Two in one day. There's a PR officer in News who's working their little
> heart out to make us feel better about our loss of freedoms. 

This is probably better off on slug-chat, but given that you've raised it
here: What exactly is objectionable in these articles? They seem entirely
balanced, reasonable and well-informed to me. Quoting the big end of town
when writing an article about a controversial topic is not exactly pandering
to their desires.

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[SLUG] FYI: Campaign of Mis-Information

[Craige McWhirter]

and watering down has commenced again in earnest in regards to the
looming FTA agreement and changes that will be brought before parliament
when the new Howard controlled senate sits in July. This time it is News
Corp who've started by planting some fuzzy feel-good pieces in the
Sydney Morning Herald (and possibly other locations) and they even go so
far as to paint the bungling Phil Ruddock as the peoples champion.

Have a read yourself here:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Copyright-laws-under-review/2005/02/14/1108229936338.html?oneclick=true
http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Brave-new-world-for-a-couch-potato/2005/02/14/1108229927903.html

Two in one day. There's a PR officer in News who's working their little
heart out to make us feel better about our loss of freedoms. 

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[SLUG] 70 ohm coax

[John_Mielekamp]

Hello Sydney Linux User's Group

I have read some of your letters regarding the physical layer of SLUG being
70 ohm coax. For a completely different type of application I am trying to
source this cable within Australia. Do you or anyone of your members know
of a supplier of 70 ohm coax cable?

Can You Please Help

Kind Regards,
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Process Control Engineer
ACI Glass Packaging Australia
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Re: [SLUG] wiki choice

[Mike MacCana]

Prolly doesn't help the poster (who seemed to be looking for something 
small footprinted) but I met a fellow last week from a very large telco 
(who may well be on this list) where a good chunk of IT services were 
using MediaWiki in production and loving it.

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Re: [SLUG] how to open an eps file

[Mike MacCana]

Andrewd wrote:
As the title says, I have an eps file (for a logo). Any ideas on what I
need to open it with. Open Office states it was created with adobe but
no image. Karbon14 seems to lock up, and GIMP opens it but does not
display it properly - any ideas? also I am using Mandrake 10.
Thanx
Andrew D
 

Known bug in OpenOffice - it can't display .eps, but it can store them. 
If you print to a file then run ps2pdf on it (*don't* use the PDF 
button), it'll come out fine tho.

Mike
 

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Re: [SLUG] how to open an eps file

[Terry Collins]

Andrewd wrote:
> 
> As the title says, I have an eps file (for a logo). Any ideas on what I
> need to open it with. 

xv and/or gv

You most likely have gv, but I've never used Mandrake.

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Re: [SLUG] DVB card suggestions [Was: Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?]

[O Plameras]

James Gregory wrote:
It installs a second, parallel version of v4l2 and effectively disables
the one that comes with your kernel. It does so by renaming the symbols
provided by the old kernel modules. I guess if that works for you, then
that's fine. Having attempted to turn Chris' drivers into a kernel
patch, I can tell you that there's some pretty fundamental differences
between the two versions. The approach of "let's just clobber some
symbols" makes me pretty nervous about the whole thing.
 

To clarify, what C Pascoe had done is added a functionality to v4l2. 
This functionality
is known to us as 'device driver' or 'FusionHDTV device driver' to be 
specific. Nothing
has been disabled or clobbered just as nothing is disabled or clobbered 
within the kernel
code when you add device drivers for disk drives, ethernet cards, or any 
device for that
matter.  With C Pascoe's device driver he is adding functionility to 
v4l2. He is not taking
away or clobber or disable anything.

The symbol-tables is a way of registering modules so the kernel will 
know to load
that module when required.

If it built cleanly against the upstream version of v4l2 I'd have no
problem with it.
 

It does actually.
There are two (2) scripts that you need to manage C Pascoe device 
drivers, namely:
1. DVB-Build.sh - Used in three ways
a. DVB-Build.sh remove-symbols - to reconcile version numbers.
b.DVB-Build.sh clean - to clean up stale binaries in preparation for 
compile.
c. DVB-Build.sh - to compile inorder to produce the loadable modules.

2. DVB-Init.sh - Use in three ways to manage the modules
a. DVB-Init.sh  start - to load the modules. You may use 'dmesg' or 
'lsmod' or
'rmmod' to manage the modules.
b. DVB-Init.sh stop - to unload all modules loaded in 2.a.
c. DVB-Init.sh reload - unload and then load all the modules.

I realise he's provided a work-around, just be sure you understand what
you're doing and make sure you're ok with the risk of stuff breaking
now, or in the future.
 

I believed I understand what he'd done and am comfortable with it and when
something breaks I know when it breaks. It is a full function device 
driver he'd
done, not just a work-around.

Unless you're more of a kernel build
ninja than I am, you won't be able to do a clean build of it and you'll
need to use the rather dodgy method described on Chris Pascoe's website,
which involves mangling the module dependencies file.
 

I beg to disagree that C Pascoe has a 'dodgy method which involves 
mangling the module
dependencies file'.  I agree his website is a bit confusing as to how to 
install his device
drivers. But the package contains everything one needs to make it work. 
And I was able
to make it work cleanly in less than 10 minutes.

In fact his methods and procedures are 'clean' and 'straight-forward'
as all that one has to do is use two (2) scripts to manage the 
compilations, loading, and unloading
of modules, namely: DVB-Build.sh and DVB-Init.sh. And these two scripts 
are all included
in the source codes tar file. In fact I installed the device drivers to 
recognise the FusionHDTV
hardware in no time, like 10 minutes. No kernel re-compile and system 
reboot needed.

One cannot be more simpler than that when it comes to managements of 
device drivers.
I consider his FusionHDTV a professional job and NOT some kind of 'cowboy'


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[SLUG] how to open an eps file

[Andrewd]

As the title says, I have an eps file (for a logo). Any ideas on what I
need to open it with. Open Office states it was created with adobe but
no image. Karbon14 seems to lock up, and GIMP opens it but does not
display it properly - any ideas? also I am using Mandrake 10.

Thanx
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Re: Incremental Backup to a CD-ROM? (was: Re: [SLUG] Incremental Backup Script)

[Peter Chubb]

> "amos" == amos  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

amos> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:47:34 +1100, Matthew Palmer
amos> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Don't do it, man.  Your chances of getting a coaster are *way* too
>> high for any sort of even vaguely reasonable backup plan.  If
>> nothing else, you can't verify your backups until you've finalised
>> the disc, and you don't want to finalise the disc until you've got
>> it mostly full, but you want to verify your backup ASAP so you can
>> redo it if it's stuffed.

What if you use packet mode and a UDF file system, instead of ISO9660?

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Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?

[Angus Lees]

At Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:05:49 +1100, Oscar Plameras wrote:
> 'tv_grab_au' does not complete execution at all. Somewhere, along the
> execution process,  it bombs out with an error that says 'something is
> missing'.
> I will post the exact message as soon as I have setup my Linux box.

I'd guess that you needed to install some additional Perl library.
The error message would have told you which one.

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Re: [SLUG] Digital TV Tuner Cards On Linux?

[Michael Fox]

Nice..

Another reason I like that card... its low profile... and comes with
low profile pci bracket... just as well, now I can use it in a black
aopen h340b case ;)


On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:50:01 +1100, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  Michael Fox wrote:-
> 
> >think I might buy the divico fusion one, as it has
>  
> Thats why I like it. Under Windoze XP its allowed me to easily copy my old
> tapes, and tapes from my wife's family overseas ( PAL and NTSC) to digital
> on my hard drive, then I convert and burn them to DVD.
> 
> The SVideo helps as my VCR is MultiRegion and has SVideo and is Super VHS
> and VHS ET so it can handle any tape type.
> 
> Have to convert the tapes before VCRs are no longer available ( decent ones
> are almost impossible to get now).
> 
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Re: [SLUG] MythTV vs Freevo

[Kevin Saenz]

I am using Fusion DVB card just your generic Fusion card, I have an
AMD 2800+ with 512 meg of RAM and Audigy2 sound card ATI raedon 9700.

I did have MythTV running on an Athlon 1200 with 256Meg of RAM and
AC97 sound card.

The area I struggled with was with grab_tv_au until Ben helped out.



> What DVB card and brand you using on myth setup? Also what spec
> machine.. is it remotely going to work on a Duron 1200Mhz with 512mb
> ram
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:38:19 +1000, Kevin Saenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What I have is mythtv running on Mandrake. Reason for this was to get
> > something off the ground and running quickly. The features I like with
> > Mythtv is that you have the option to watch TV, store your cds and
> > dvds to disk to watch/listen at your leisure. Mythtv is also pretty
> > simple to use, so it makes it kids and wife friendly.  The plugins are
> > pretty funky. The only thing that I had trouble with was configuring
> > the channels to download the program guide (Thanks to ben) I was up
> > and running in no time. What I would like to do is get a digital
> > satalite capture card so that I can get digital foxtel. So if anyone
> > knows where I can get a digsat card, I would appreciate the help.
> >
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > > So what have people tried and what was there experience with these things 
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Any recommendations ?
> > >
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