[SLUG] Re: SMB Client
I've set up a SOHO File/Print Server using Mepis SOHO beta and have found that neither SMB4K or LinNeighborhood are 100% reliable for browsing Samba shares. Konqueror, however, never fails. In addition, Konqueror does not require you to edit any config files/set up any preferences for this purpose, but both SMB4K and LinNeighborhood do. Use Konqueror and save yourself some work on each of the workstations. Bill (still a Linux newbie) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 15:57 +1000, James Polley wrote: cmsmatrix.org has details about a whole lot of CMSes, including a feature that allows you to choose the features you want and see what CMSes match. They're not all free though, so make sure you specify a cost that's appropriate (ie, probably $0) opensourcecms.com goes one step further and has demo installs of a whole bunch of CMSes for you to try out. You (or your sister) can have a play and see what you're comfortable with. Thanks, I had a look at those sites, quite useful. Just trying to not be overwhelmed :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 15:55 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: I'd recommend Drupal for something simple and easy to use. I'll have a closer look at that then. * The ability to create new pages from templates where she can supply the text and pictures to fill in the template I think that's the only item that Drupal won't satisfy, but there may be a module to help with it. Something that I'm struggling with is working out which ones support multiple templates. Most have themeing but this seems to mean for a whole site not parts of it. Still digging... I'm looking at WordPress as it seems to be the closest to what I need. You're probably best off trying something that isn't blog-centric. I was wondering about that. Thanks. -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
quote who=Simon Wong Something that I'm struggling with is working out which ones support multiple templates. Most have themeing but this seems to mean for a whole site not parts of it. There's a module for Drupal that lets you use a different theme for any section. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ All this self-centred cock-handling is totally where it's at. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 16:36 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: Something that I'm struggling with is working out which ones support multiple templates. Most have themeing but this seems to mean for a whole site not parts of it. There's a module for Drupal that lets you use a different theme for any section. Finally found it: http://drupal.org/project/sections Have you used it and does it work reliably? The other thing I want is a mix of static html pages and pages that have dynamic content. Is this easy to do with drupal or is it just a matter of coding the static pages separately and linking appropriately? -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
quote who=Simon Wong Finally found it: http://drupal.org/project/sections Have you used it and does it work reliably? No and Dunno. ;-) The other thing I want is a mix of static html pages and pages that have dynamic content. Is this easy to do with drupal or is it just a matter of coding the static pages separately and linking appropriately? You want actual static pages served by the server (harder to do, you'd need to use Alias directives in Apache), as opposed to static paths for nodes in the CMS (which Drupal does very nicely)? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ boc i wish i could write good flames jwz boc: you can't win if you don't play -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
Maybe you should look at a CGI based CMS - Blosxom is light weight easy to use - visit http://www.blosxom.com As it states Blogging--and, indeed, any online publishing-- should be as simple as typing away in your favourite text editor and hitting Save. Fundamental is Blosxom's reliance upon the file system, folders and files as its content database. Entries are plain text files like any other. Andrew D Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Simon Wong Finally found it: http://drupal.org/project/sections Have you used it and does it work reliably? No and Dunno. ;-) The other thing I want is a mix of static html pages and pages that have dynamic content. Is this easy to do with drupal or is it just a matter of coding the static pages separately and linking appropriately? You want actual static pages served by the server (harder to do, you'd need to use Alias directives in Apache), as opposed to static paths for nodes in the CMS (which Drupal does very nicely)? - Jeff -- Need to make a tax deductible donation? Bicycle NSW is now included on Register of Environmental Organisations. All donations over $2 are tax deductible. Visit http://www.bicyclensw.org.au for further information and credit card donations -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
quote who=Andrew d Maybe you should look at a CGI based CMS - Blosxom is light weight easy to use - visit http://www.blosxom.com Blosxom is a blog tool, not a CMS! :-) - Jeff -- GNOME Summit: October 8th-10th http://live.gnome.org/Boston2005 A problem worthy of attack, proves its worth by fighting back. - Paul Erdos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] mail for root
Hi, On my ubuntu box, mail for root is being sent out to my ISP, rather than delivered locally (which is what I want surely? [EMAIL PROTECTED] not a good look...). I have tried various alias combinations in /etc/aliases and that appears to be the file postfix looks at. No success. What foolishness have I configured this time? Thanks, Denis -- Denis Crowdy Department of Contemporary Music Studies Macquarie University NSW 2109, Australia +61 2 9850 6787; http://www.dcms.mq.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mail for root
Denis Crowdy wrote: Hi, On my ubuntu box, mail for root is being sent out to my ISP, rather than delivered locally (which is what I want surely? [EMAIL PROTECTED] not a good look...). I have tried various alias combinations in /etc/aliases and that appears to be the file postfix looks at. No success. What foolishness have I configured this time? Hi Denis, In /etc/aliases you will need: root:your_user_name postmaster:your_user_name and then run: /usr/sbin/postalias as root. Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Having a firewall that allows NFS to the Internet is like having a seat belt that lets your head touch the dashboard. -- Marcus Ranum -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] no sound
Chris Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just installed Fedora Core 4 onto a new Dell workstation. Everything seems to working fine except for sound. The system says it detected the following audio device Vendor: Creative Model: Labs SB Audigy Module: snd-emu10kl I had the same problem. For me it was an output set to mute, and it was some obscure output I don't recall the name of. I ran alsamixer and tried each one in turn until I got sound out of it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 17:40 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: You want actual static pages served by the server (harder to do, you'd need to use Alias directives in Apache), as opposed to static paths for nodes in the CMS (which Drupal does very nicely)? I think I'm still trying to work out what I want :-( I guess the basic site map is something like: Front page - News blog Page type 1 - static content created from Template A Page type 2 - static content created from Template B etc I want to give her the ability to create those pages from pre-configured Templates that essentially have placeholders for text (paste it into a form) and images (browse file to upload). Does that clarify my needs? -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 18:36 +1000, Andrew d wrote: Maybe you should look at a CGI based CMS - Blosxom is light weight easy to use - visit Had a look but not sure it does what I need wrt templates for different pages. I don't think that a pure blogging tool is what I want, see my other reply to Jeff. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mail for root
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 21:12 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: In /etc/aliases you will need: root:your_user_name postmaster:your_user_name I already had this on my laptop but since I have a relay host setup so I can send externally, all my root mail is going out to the Internet. I suspect that is what's going on for Deni too. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] learning gnucash
As treasurer I use gnucash, I can share what I have learnt Ken Jim Lemon wrote: Hi, I recently set up gnucash for a friend as an accounting system for his small business, but I am unable to provide enough guidance for him to use it. (Perhaps it's because I'm such a lousy bookkeeper.) I wonder if anyone knows of a gnucash user who would be willing to provide tutoring for money. Who knows, I might take advantage of it, too. Jim -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
indymedia use to run on Postgresql (http://active.org.au/doc/) http://sydney.indymedia.org/ Nick Croft wrote: * Jeff Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: quote who=Simon Wong Finally found it: http://drupal.org/project/sections I'm also interested in cms. I've got postgresql in place on my server. It seems drupal uses mysql. Two questions: Is there a cms which uses postgresql? What performance loss would I face with a web-server running both mysql and postgresql? Nick -- Need to make a tax deductible donation? Bicycle NSW is now included on Register of Environmental Organisations. All donations over $2 are tax deductible. Visit http://www.bicyclensw.org.au for further information and credit card donations -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] OpenLDAP Materials - tutorial
Hi, Since the presentation on 26th August 2005, I received a number of emails requesting for certain portions of my presentation. I also committed to publish it when asked by Martin Visser. So, here we go: http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/tutor/ The foregoing materials are the results of the modified version to suit a tutorial type publication. Please email me directly for critiques, suggested modifications, errors, and corrections. Thank you. I hope this is helpful. O. Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
quote who=Nick Croft I'm also interested in cms. I've got postgresql in place on my server. It seems drupal uses mysql. You can use PostgreSQL with Drupal too, but it's not as well supported (most modules only include MySQL schemas, etc). - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ Gah. Out of coffee. Shall think whilst auto-caffeinating. - Telsa Gwynne -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
quote who=Simon Wong I guess the basic site map is something like: Front page - News blog That's the default for Drupal. Anything posted as a 'story' node can be published to the front page, just like a news blog style thingy. Page type 1 - static content created from Template A Page type 2 - static content created from Template B You can create a 'page' node with a static path (/page-one/ for instance). I really don't know about templates though. - Jeff -- UbuntuBelowZero http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero I've been thinking: I get way too many pieces of e-mail, about 60 a day. - Microserfs -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
context: Debian, Sarge, Aptitude
Can anyone tell me the aptitude commands to remove ALL programs
associated with and including KDE on debian sarge?
I am hoping there is a one command purges all.
I made the mistake of deciding I will run one desktop as KDE, since I
haven't play with it for a while. Well, that lasted less than 5 minutes.
rant
What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser?
and then to make it windows like?
If I wanted to use a brain dead system, I'd use MS Windows.
Its worse, there is a frigging bouncing icon and to top it off it has
the usual linux documentation, i.e nothing useful.
The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like
this.
/rant
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Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On 8/30/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Simon Wong You can create a 'page' node with a static path (/page-one/ for instance). I really don't know about templates though. - Jeff Depending on how complex the templates you invisage are, the flexinode module may do what you need http://drupal.org/project/flexinode -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2005 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On 8/30/05, James Polley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on how complex the templates you invisage are, the flexinode Dammit, I'm only meant to do spelling mistakes inside grammar flames.. envisage is what I meant.. unfortunately there's a paucity of useful documention online about flexinode, and I've not played with it myself. the demo on opensourcecms.com doesn't include the flexinode module either, so you can't test it there.. -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2005 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
quote who=James Polley On 8/30/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Simon Wong You can create a 'page' node with a static path (/page-one/ for instance). I really don't know about templates though. Depending on how complex the templates you invisage are, the flexinode module may do what you need http://drupal.org/project/flexinode So I talked to the Drupal dudes who were at OSCON about a site I'm building, and they said (with their fingers in crosses), NO WAY IN HELL should you use flexinode on a real website (one that gets traffic). Too loady (database), hard to administer, painful to recover. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ Driving Miss Daisy. Best film of 1989. So said the academy. What does that tell you? - Spike Lee -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
quote who=Terry Collins context: Debian, Sarge, Aptitude Can anyone tell me the aptitude commands to remove ALL programs associated with and including KDE on debian sarge? I am hoping there is a one command purges all. You could try purging libqt, which is the basic library that all of KDE depends on, but it may also remove stuff that you use (fairly unlikely, given your mail). What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser? and then to make it windows like? The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like this. Hey, c'mon, it may have annoyed you a bit this time, but it's good stuff (even if you don't enjoy using it). - Jeff -- UbuntuBelowZero http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero I think it will be admitted by all that to have exploited so great a scientific invention for the purpose and pursuit of entertainment alone would have been a prostitution of its powers and an insult to the character and intelligence of the people. - John Reith -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Damn good question Best answer I could get with a bit of googling is to: apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4 libarts1 I don't have a Debian install handy atm to check its not going to destroy something valuable as that bloody Ubuntu appears to have assimilated them all, but that's the best suggestion I could come up with. Good luck! On 8/30/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Terry Collins context: Debian, Sarge, Aptitude Can anyone tell me the aptitude commands to remove ALL programs associated with and including KDE on debian sarge? I am hoping there is a one command purges all. You could try purging libqt, which is the basic library that all of KDE depends on, but it may also remove stuff that you use (fairly unlikely, given your mail). What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser? and then to make it windows like? The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like this. Hey, c'mon, it may have annoyed you a bit this time, but it's good stuff (even if you don't enjoy using it). - Jeff -- UbuntuBelowZero http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero I think it will be admitted by all that to have exploited so great a scientific invention for the purpose and pursuit of entertainment alone would have been a prostitution of its powers and an insult to the character and intelligence of the people. - John Reith -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Regards, Murray Storm - This email is intended for the exclusive use by the person(s) mentioned as recipient(s). This email and its attachments, if any, contain confidential information and/or may contain information protected by intellectual property rights or others rights. This email does not constitute any commitment, except when expressly agreed in a written agreement between the intended recipient and Murray E. Storm. If you receive this email by mistake, please notify the sender and delete this email immediately from your system and destroy all copies of it. You may not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email or any part of it if you are not the intended recipient. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] mail for root
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 09:12:05PM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi Denis, In /etc/aliases you will need: root:your_user_name postmaster:your_user_name and then run: /usr/sbin/postalias as root. Thanks, Tried this, plus various combinations in dpkg-reconfigure postfix to no avail - syslog is still telling me email is going to my ISP (and I get nothing in my inbox obviously). Have tried dpkg-reconfigure as internet with smarthost, and satellite system. Annoying, and no doubt more annoying for the sysadmin of the ISP's mail server non? Denis Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yes it's valid) +---+ Having a firewall that allows NFS to the Internet is like having a seat belt that lets your head touch the dashboard. -- Marcus Ranum -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Department of Contemporary Music Studies Macquarie University NSW 2109, Australia +61 2 9850 6787; http://www.dcms.mq.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Anything would be better than GNOME rdw Terry Collins wrote: context: Debian, Sarge, Aptitude Can anyone tell me the aptitude commands to remove ALL programs associated with and including KDE on debian sarge? I am hoping there is a one command purges all. I made the mistake of deciding I will run one desktop as KDE, since I haven't play with it for a while. Well, that lasted less than 5 minutes. rant What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser? and then to make it windows like? If I wanted to use a brain dead system, I'd use MS Windows. Its worse, there is a frigging bouncing icon and to top it off it has the usual linux documentation, i.e nothing useful. The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like this. /rant -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannet.com.au -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; When you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 23:30 +1000, James Polley wrote: unfortunately there's a paucity of useful documention online about flexinode, and I've not played with it myself. the demo on opensourcecms.com doesn't include the flexinode module either, so you can't test it there.. I did see that module but didn't find any documentation. -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 23:42 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: So I talked to the Drupal dudes who were at OSCON about a site I'm building, and they said (with their fingers in crosses), NO WAY IN HELL should you use flexinode on a real website (one that gets traffic). Too loady (database), hard to administer, painful to recover. hmmm, OK maybe I'll pass on that one then. -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 23:07 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: You can create a 'page' node with a static path (/page-one/ for instance). I really don't know about templates though. Funny thing is that I thought that's what CMSs were for and given the number of FOSS ones around I thought this was going to be easy :-( Maybe this is why so many people say that they've made their own but that's seems crazy or just some sort of masochism. Anyway thanks for your help, Jeff and for your comments James and Andrew. -- Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Simple website CMS?
Simon == Simon Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 23:07 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: You can create a 'page' node with a static path (/page-one/ for instance). I really don't know about templates though. Simon Funny thing is that I thought that's what CMSs were for and Simon given the number of FOSS ones around I thought this was going Simon to be easy :-( Another possibility is to use a Wiki, like Moin. You can have pages setup by template, etc., and you can mark pages as static/unchangeable (although it requires a bit of setup to do that) -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au The technical we do immediately, the political takes *forever* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Howard Lowndes wrote:
Anything would be better than GNOME rdw
Yes, well, why do you think I was giving KDE another go?
Bloatware doesn't do it for me either.
Now all I need to do is remember the pager proggy for twm and I'm set.
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
On Wed Aug 31, 2005 at 10:05:57 +1000, James Polley wrote: On 8/31/05, Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: Anything would be better than GNOME rdw =20 Yes, well, why do you think I was giving KDE another go? Bloatware doesn't do it for me either. Now all I need to do is remember the pager proggy for twm and I'm set. For the ultime in lack of bloat, try ratpoison: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ Ratpoison is a simple Window Manager with no fat library dependencies, no fancy graphics, no window decorations, and no rodent dependence. It is largely modelled after GNU Screen which has done wonders in the virtual terminal market. :) Huzzah! I've been happily using ratpoison for nigh on 4 years, it rocks. Hell, I even use it on OSX. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Webserver behind ADSL router
Richard Luckhurst wrote:
am now even more confused. Does anyone have a nice explanation of how to use
the view directive? I guess this is what is known as split DNS isn't it?
Here is a snippet of my /etc/named.conf
Access to the name service from either the local host or 192.168 address
results in the name servive recursing to either resolve a remote host,
or serving out an internal address.
Access from any other hosts results in only resovlving limited names to
external IP's.
HTH
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view goodguys {
match-clients { 127.0.0.1; 192.168.0.0/16; };
recursion yes;
zone . {
type hint;
file named.cache;
};
zone mydomain.com.au {
type master;
notify no;
file mydomain.com.au.db;
};
}
view badguys
{
match-clients {any; };
recursion no;
zone mhl.nsw.gov.au {
type master;
file mydomain.com.au.db-ext; // only public hosts in this file
};
};
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
quote who=Terry Collins Jeff Waugh wrote: What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser? and then to make it windows like? The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like this. Hey, c'mon, it may have annoyed you a bit this time, but it's good stuff (even if you don't enjoy using it). Keep dreaming. I will. Given what we've [1] achieved so far, there is a very solid future of improvement and excellence ahead. I personally like to see users report that things are broken - demonstrates that people are actually using them, and that we know what to fix. - Jeff [1] the FOSS desktop projects in general, though I do tend to vouch for one in particular :-) -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ Toothpaste is the most important meal of the day. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
James Polley wrote:
For the ultime in lack of bloat, try ratpoison:
http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
WOW, it even has a .deb {:-).
It is going to be very useful for a lappie datalogger/processor project
I have in mind.
Thanks.
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[SLUG] Re:Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Hi Terry This is not a troll, and might even yield usefull info Can anyone tell me the aptitude commands to remove ALL programs associated with and including KDE on debian sarge? I am hoping there is a one command purges all. I made the mistake of deciding I will run one desktop as KDE, since I haven't play with it for a while. Well, that lasted less than 5 minutes. rant What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser? and then to make it windows like? If I wanted to use a brain dead system, I'd use MS Windows. Its worse, there is a frigging bouncing icon and to top it off it has the usual linux documentation, i.e nothing useful. The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like this. /rant All of KDE is configurable (or unconfigurable) bouncing icons, mouse over effects etc. A few minutes and some RFM and I like it. I'm not 'a file manager person' but since I've migrated nearly 1/2 dozen winders users to linux I needed to be very critical of the FM. Konqueror is the only one of many that I've tried that I get consensis is better than win-explorer, is rational and works intuitively. I'm not, and have never been a winders user, so my intuitive bias is not winders centric. My only complaint about konqueror is that resolving 100s of icons eg jpegs takes time. I still prefer that it does, so I've not researched turning it off. [but some recent research is relevant: a class of students was split in half, given gimp and photoshop. 1/2 way through (the year?) they were swapped. Most thought that the new program was terrid, and that the old was great. There was slight bias to gimp, but not overwhelming ... so baby duck symptom prevails] This is an invitation for comment. James -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
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Re: [SLUG] Re:Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 09:06:09AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry This is not a troll, and might even yield usefull info [but some recent research is relevant: a class of students was split in half, given gimp and photoshop. 1/2 way through (the year?) they were swapped. Most thought that the new program was terrid, and that the old was great. There was slight bias to gimp, but not overwhelming ... so baby duck symptom prevails] This is an invitation for comment. Inertia accounts for nearly all prejudice. It took me ages to use a terminal on OSX even though all the good GNU tools are available by default, but I use practically nothing but terminals on Ubuntu despite that it has excellent desktop gui tools. Go figure. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:22:41AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Don't say google[1], because it is fast becoming useless. Remember AltaVista? Same reason. I agree that google ain't quite what it used to be, but searching for change kde bouncing cursor pulled got an eminently relevant link as the first hit. -- Matt PS. I've never used KDE seriously fwiw. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Whilst we're on about documentation - have you ever found any Windows doco that really answers your problem... Have you ever found any Windows doco... Terry Collins wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: What brain dead idiot decided to make Konquerer the default browser? and then to make it windows like? The is no way Linux is ever going to conquer the desktop with crud like this. Hey, c'mon, it may have annoyed you a bit this time, but it's good stuff (even if you don't enjoy using it). Keep dreaming. I can tolerate stupid default choices so long as the manual/help/?? is complete and comprehensive. So when I see a stupid bouncing cursor, my first impulse is to check the doco and look for cursor:changing and then what is in the doco reminds me of Redhat support: well, you have it on the hard disk, so it is installed = end of support. Then I went looking for changing the home page. Woops not there either. There was something else, same result. Don't say google[1], because it is fast becoming useless. Remember AltaVista? Same reason. So then I am left with the choice of do I chase this up with whomever wrote Konquerer or is it a KDE problem? Or do I play the debianhelp.org game 1) Post I have a problem with blah, blah, blah 2) Did you read the manal? 3) What manual? 4) Oh, touche', Have you googled 5) Yep, no useful result. What jargon/phrases do you suggest? 6) Oh well, the answer is blahdy blah It is just so much easier to erase it all. [1] I think it was very telling on Linux when google became its documentation crutch. What goes around, comes around. My default instructions to SWMBO when she has problems with her Redhat desktop are now Did you reboot? It is really weird how many problems are now solved by this simple trick. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people http://lannet.com.au -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; When you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
quote who=Matthew Hannigan PS. I've never used KDE seriously fwiw. Do you wear brightly-coloured baggy pants, and toot a horn while using it? I just want to gauge your level of seriousness, with regards to use. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ It's not sufficient to 'use simple words to explain things'. Things must actually *be* simple, which is much harder. - Martin Pool -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Matthew Hannigan wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:22:41AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Don't say google[1], because it is fast becoming useless. Remember
AltaVista? Same reason.
I agree that google ain't quite what it used to be,
but searching for change kde bouncing cursor pulled
got an eminently relevant link as the first hit.
Which proves my point about the crticalness of the correct jargon
phrase. Launch feedback = boggle.
google change kde home page = crap
google change konqueror home page gives
How do I set my 'home' page - the page loaded on startup?
Start Konqueror with the Web Browser button, open the page
that you want to be loaded in any new Web Browser window,
and select Save View Profile Web Browsing
Save View Profile Web Browsing = WOW, so intuitive[1].
[1] Yes, that is sarcasm. Please no-one attempt to enlighten me as to
why you think it is so much better than home page. I obviously do not
appreciate the benefit of Linux software reproducing all the design
mistakes that Microsoft software has.
wanders off muttering If this keeps up, The Hurd is going to start
looking really attractive ...
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Howard Lowndes wrote:
Whilst we're on about documentation - have you ever found any Windows
doco that really answers your problem... Have you ever found any
Windows doco...
As in produced by Microsoft , then NO, but what they do produce is far
better than any attached to most Linux software, especially recent
stuff. Plus *nix has never done example well.
I score better with solving MS * problems under google, which is
worrying. Perhaps it is just that MS has the numbers. I hope it isn't
approaching senility.
In anycase, saying oh but Linux is better that Microsoft doesn't mean
that the OS/software is anything other than a complete fetid dump. The
analogy is arguing whether liberal or labor is better {:-).
In my view, good software should be easy to config.
Either
(1) you can work it out from the configuration options, or
(2) its internal documentation should tell you.
It seems to me that Linux software has totally dumbed and/or dumped (2)
and is now progressing to obskcewfurrfate (1){:-).
I guess I am just an engineer at heart, I don't give a rats about the
internal beauty[1], I just want to know how to use it to destroy
trees, move mountains, drain oceans, kill people, etc, etc, etc.
If the only constant is change, then having to spend time reading War
Peace to gain a hint is a complete and utter waste of time. As is
reading source code.
[1] If I want internal beauty, I'd take a cuppa and deck chair onto the
porch and enjoy the wonderful lighting effects that the wind and clouds
are now producing outside.
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Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 09:47:29AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Now all I need to do is remember the pager proggy for twm and I'm set. I'm happy with ctwm. -- Christopher Vance -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] curious javascript phenomenon
Oops.
It was cache :-(
I hadn't closed all browser instances.
KR.
Luke.
31Aug2005 @ 12:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly spake
Hi.
I have a javascript file that gets imported into a php page.
The javascript checks form entry.
Basically, the script checks for empty fields with:
/~
function isEmptyString(s) {
for (var i = 0; i s.length; i++) {
var c = s.charAt(i);
if((c != ' ') (c != '\n') (c != '\t')) {
return false;
} // end if
} // end for
return true;
} // end isEmptyString()
\_
Then in some cases, it checks for non-empty fields using
'!isEmptyString()' and evaluates a field for correct data.
The curious thing about this is that if I name the the file:
'cust.js', one particular field doesn't get checked.
If I name the file something else like 'testJS2.js', then all checking works
absolutely perfectly.
I have copied the working file to the non-working file and then tried
'cust.js'
again. However, the same error.
Both files are exactly the same size.
That baffles me.
I've tried starting a fresh browser (firefox), thinking it may be a cache
problem. In fact that's still the only thing I can attribute this too.
Anyone have any clues?
Kind regards.
Luke.
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Re: [SLUG] curious javascript phenomenon
On 8/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a _javascript_ file that gets imported into a php page. The curious thing about this is that if I name the the file:'cust.js', one particular field doesn't get checked. If I name the file something else like 'testJS2.js', then all checking worksabsolutely perfectly. Do you have more that one _javascript_ fragment called 'cust.js'? -- Make the most of your skills - with OpenSkillshttp://www.openskills.org/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Gimp v Photoshop
is this a good forum to ask this question? I'm finding it impossible to produce good quality .jpg's from Gimp 2.2. Scenario: starting with a 200kb .jpg image, I want to produce a re-sized, 30kb image suitable for web use. If I do that with Gimp 2.2 the output is fuzzy when rendered by Firefox, but if I do the same task with photoshop I get a nice crisp image. I've fiddled with various settings but always the same result. It looks fine rendered by Gimp, but that isn't much help :( Am I stuck with Photoshop? Is there a trick? I've done some googling, but I just get rants about how great Gimp is, or how Photoshop is still the professional tool of choice. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Gimp v Photoshop
quote who=David Scenario: starting with a 200kb .jpg image, I want to produce a re-sized, 30kb image suitable for web use. If I do that with Gimp 2.2 the output is fuzzy when rendered by Firefox, but if I do the same task with photoshop I get a nice crisp image. I've fiddled with various settings but always the same result. Are you doing 'save' or 'save as'? With 'save as', you will have more control over how compressed you want the image to be, etc. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2006: Dunedin, New Zealand http://linux.conf.au/ So between a jazz musician, a murderer, and a congressperson, all called 'Dave Camp', I have a lot of pressure to be evil. - GNOME's Dave Camp -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] no sound
I had the same problem with FC3 and solved it while experimenting with kmix. Here is what I did kmix - Switches Tab - Surround lack as Input Option Jamshid --- Chris Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just installed Fedora Core 4 onto a new Dell workstation. Everything seems to working fine except for sound. The system says it detected the following audio device Vendor: Creative Model: Labs SB Audigy Module: snd-emu10kl When I press the button to Play test sound I here no sound As I try plugging the sound plug into each successive sound port I hear the speakers crackling so can't be a speaker problem. Can anyone suggest a remedy? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] no sound
Sorry for the typo! kmix - Switches Tab - Surround Jack as Input --- Jamshid Karimi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with FC3 and solved it while experimenting with kmix. Here is what I did kmix - Switches Tab - Surround lack as Input Option Jamshid --- Chris Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just installed Fedora Core 4 onto a new Dell workstation. Everything seems to working fine except for sound. The system says it detected the following audio device Vendor: Creative Model: Labs SB Audigy Module: snd-emu10kl When I press the button to Play test sound I here no sound As I try plugging the sound plug into each successive sound port I hear the speakers crackling so can't be a speaker problem. Can anyone suggest a remedy? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] no sound
Murray E Storm wrote: Can you run the lsmod and lspci commands and post the output to give us a bit more info? I have much the same problem, except that the sound actually worked during FC2 install, but has never worked since. Once in a while I would get a message during login about the sound device being busy. Thanks for any suggestions. Jim ~ /sbin/lsmod Module Size Used by ppp_deflate 4096 0 zlib_deflate 19480 1 ppp_deflate ppp_async 8064 1 ppp_generic20500 6 ppp_deflate,ppp_async slhc5632 1 ppp_generic snd_intel8x0 26280 0 snd_ac97_codec 50436 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm68872 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_timer 17156 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 7940 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport3328 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 4864 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi17184 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 6152 1 snd_rawmidi snd38372 7 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 6112 1 snd parport_pc 19392 1 lp 8236 0 parport29640 2 parport_pc,lp autofs410624 0 sunrpc101064 1 sis900 14596 0 ipt_REJECT 4736 1 ipt_state 1536 5 ip_conntrack 24968 1 ipt_state iptable_filter 2048 1 ip_tables 13440 3 ipt_REJECT,ipt_state,iptable_filter floppy 47440 0 sg 27552 0 microcode 4768 0 dm_mod 33184 0 ohci_hcd 14748 0 ehci_hcd 21896 0 button 4504 0 battery 6924 0 asus_acpi 8472 0 ac 3340 0 ipv6 184288 8 ext3 102376 2 jbd40216 1 ext3 sata_sis3456 0 libata 29312 1 sata_sis,[permanent] sd_mod 16384 0 scsi_mod 91344 3 sg,libata,sd_mod ~ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M661FX/M661MX Host (rev 11) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0003 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS964 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 36) 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 01) 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) 00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f) 00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91) 00:05.0 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0180 (rev 01) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
This is another of those interesting discussions that sometimes veers close to a Creationism vs Intelligent Design slanging match. 1) Why do Apple and Microsoft spend more than the GNP of some countries in legal fees fighting over user interfaces? Once you've got your user on autopilot, change is disruptive. Consider this charming phrase from a 1928 animal learning experiment in which the experimenter changed the maze but didn't tell the rats. Every one of the animals banged his nose into the block with considerable violence. 2) The I Hate Anything That Even Looks Like [insert the object of your personal enmity] approach is just the mirror image of the attitude that will abide nothing but [insert object of enmity again]. I like the definition that quality is what gets the job done. These things are tools, not deities. Jim -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Aptitude command to TOTALLY remove KDE
Jim Lemon wrote: This is another of those interesting discussions that sometimes veers close to a Creationism vs Intelligent Design slanging match. 1) Why do Apple and Microsoft spend more than the GNP of some countries in legal fees fighting over user interfaces? Once you've got your user on autopilot, change is disruptive. Heh, funny you mention this, I was just looking at this http://www.xpde.info/ They don't appear to have a Windows Explorer (the file manager that often crashes taking down the entire desktop) look-a-like yet. Which means they won't get far with your ingrained Windows user, but it's a nice start. I actually do think this is the way to go if you want to get Windows users to switch to a Linux system enmass. Once they've settled into their new (but similar) environment they can start playing with different window managers and the like. This whole cold turkey switch campaign that people seem to put forward for switching to Linux is a bit too hardcore IMHO. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] VPN to Cisco
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:31 +1000, Phil Scarratt wrote: Hi Having no experience with VPN'ing toa Cisco router endpoint, I'm interested in peoples thoughts on creating a VPN to a Cisco 1712 endpoint. The Cisco client requires a special kernel module and isn't Open Source. It's very annoying to use. I, and many staff at Red Hat, use an Open Source Cisco-compatible client called vpnc to connect to our office VPN, a Cisco VPN concentrator. Can't remember the model number. Packages for FC and RHEL are available at dag.wieers.com. Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
