Re: [SLUG] distro footprints
> At the moment we're using Thinstation as a diskless Linux distribution for > running Tcl/Tk applications with Firefox, but I'm finding it quite > person-hostile for reconfiguration, etc. > > I wonder what kind of diskspace or memory footprint I'd need if I wanted > to replace it with a working subset of a real distribution like Ubuntu or > Fedora. I want to use official packages for easy maintenance, but to > avoid cruft like Gn*me and K*E. Sound use includes music and VoIP. > > Hardware is VIA motherboards and CPUs with 512MB memory and a touchscreen. > No shell access for regular users, no window manager, etc. > > Hints about which directions to avoid would also be useful. You could try out the deeply integrated LTSP functionality in Ubuntu 5.10 (which will be released in mid-October, but available as a Preview release right now, and well worth testing). It'll work with whatever X session you choose to set up. - Jeff -- EuroOSCON: October 17th-20thhttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/eurooscon/ "Ever since GNOME development began, I have urged people to aim to make it as good as the Macintosh. To try to be like Windows is to try for second-best." - Richard Stallman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] distro footprints
At the moment we're using Thinstation as a diskless Linux distribution for running Tcl/Tk applications with Firefox, but I'm finding it quite person-hostile for reconfiguration, etc. I wonder what kind of diskspace or memory footprint I'd need if I wanted to replace it with a working subset of a real distribution like Ubuntu or Fedora. I want to use official packages for easy maintenance, but to avoid cruft like Gn*me and K*E. Sound use includes music and VoIP. Hardware is VIA motherboards and CPUs with 512MB memory and a touchscreen. No shell access for regular users, no window manager, etc. Hints about which directions to avoid would also be useful. -- Christopher Vance -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] wifi router
WRT54G+OpenWRT is probably not the best solution if all you want is a router+dhcp server, dns and firewall. The out-of-the-box solution will do it. Unless of course you want to do it yourself... The good thing about OpenWRT is that you can install it and use the hardware for something else than the factory programmed functionalities. I recently installed Asterisk PBX on it. It's a quite sweet device. For good or bad, it could run Apache as well (lacks persistant memory space though). On 9/18/05, Gottfried Szing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > i am currently looking for a wifi router that will replace current linux > box (it died this week after a long life full of work - RIP). but i dont > want to replace the box with a new linux box because the new hardware i > will get in shops will be an absolute overkill. > > i am looking for router which can act like linux as a full-featured > router (sharing via wifi/lan, dhcp-server, dns-server, firewall, > wep/wap, nat, ...) . > > last time i have read an article about openwrt and i would like to have > a router that is supported by this project. but the list of supported > hardware is overwhelming. i have seen a lot of people using the linksys > WRT54G. > > could someone share some experiences with this piece or with openwrt? is > it really that easy to use the linksys with openwrt and are there any > tradeoffs using linux instead of the original firmware? > > thanks, gottfried > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > -- Julio C. Ody http://rootshell.be/~julioody -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
QuantumG wrote: Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Whilst working with my previous employers, I learned two types of presentations, namely: 1. Market driven presentations - presentations that make customers feel good about a product or products. 2. Technology driven presentations - those that focus in describing the product in a technical sense, what it can do, where to go and get help, and perhaps, how it can benefit a customer. No 1. are for sales persons or people whose job is to make money for the company. No. 2 are for Systems Engineers or people whose task is making the product work efficiently and reliabley. Maybe, just maybe, the presentation to be made is in category No. 1 but the title is worded inappropriately considering that the composition of the audience(perl mongers) is leaning towards the technical. O Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jeff Waugh wrote: Have you ever kissed a girl? You're a disgrace. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Have you ever kissed a girl?
> > Have you ever kissed a girl? > > :) http://cryptnet.net/mirrors/texts/kissedagirl.html Yay, picked it. :-) A classic. In June, I had the opportunity to thank Bryan for it personally. - Jeff -- UbuntuBelowZero in Montreal! http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] wifi router
The original firmware *is* linux. The router gives you a (slightly) pretty web interface, but underneath it's using standard linux components -eg, the firewalling is done with iptables. I've not used openwrt, so I can't comment on that. I have used the SVEAsoft firmware, although only for my home router. I'm very happy with that.. and you don't lose anything, because SVEAsoft start from the Linksys firmware and expand upon it. On 9/19/05, Gottfried Szing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > i am currently looking for a wifi router that will replace current linux > box (it died this week after a long life full of work - RIP). but i dont > want to replace the box with a new linux box because the new hardware i > will get in shops will be an absolute overkill. > > i am looking for router which can act like linux as a full-featured > router (sharing via wifi/lan, dhcp-server, dns-server, firewall, > wep/wap, nat, ...) . > > last time i have read an article about openwrt and i would like to have > a router that is supported by this project. but the list of supported > hardware is overwhelming. i have seen a lot of people using the linksys > WRT54G. > > could someone share some experiences with this piece or with openwrt? is > it really that easy to use the linksys with openwrt and are there any > tradeoffs using linux instead of the original firmware? > > thanks, gottfried > > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > -- There is nothing more worthy of contempt than a man who quotes himself - Zhasper, 2005 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 12:22:41PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > G'day everyone, > > > You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation > > > Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better > > > than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve > > > your presentations. > > Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will > > listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this > > about making presentations to the mindless masses? > Have you ever kissed a girl? :) http://cryptnet.net/mirrors/texts/kissedagirl.html -- Mark -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
> Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > > G'day everyone, > > > > You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation > > Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better > > than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve > > your presentations. > > Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will > listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this > about making presentations to the mindless masses? Have you ever kissed a girl? - Jeff -- Ubuntu USA & Europe Tour: Oct-Nov 2005http://wiki.ubuntu.com/3BT http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
David Kempe wrote: I talk to plenty of geeks who have something worthwhile to say, but can't make the words make sense. Its not motivational speaking, its effective communication. Entirely different. Geeks are just people, people listen to effective communicators, regardless of the worth of their speech. And rather than call the workshop Effective Communication For Geeks they call it Conference Presentation Mind Control.. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
QuantumG wrote: Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? I talk to plenty of geeks who have something worthwhile to say, but can't make the words make sense. Its not motivational speaking, its effective communication. Entirely different. Geeks are just people, people listen to effective communicators, regardless of the worth of their speech. dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it make sense now? Mindless masses, got ya. Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
>>You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind >>Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it >>really >>is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. >> > Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks > will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or > is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? > > Trent Nice work with the constructive criticism there, Trent. Try thinking outside the box, or more to the point, the cubicle. Geeks sometimes have to communicate with non-geeks, often the people paying them. Sometimes geeks need to talk people into buying into an idea in the first place. To do that, they need to present the idea. The better they can present it, the more likely that the idea will be bought. Does it make sense now? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
Jacinta Richardson wrote: G'day everyone, You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations. Ok, I'll bite. WTF. If you have something worthwhile to say, geeks will listen to you. We don't need this motivational speaking crap. Or is this about making presentations to the mindless masses? Trent -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Presentation Mind Control - 21st September 2005
G'day everyone,
You are invited to join us in a talk by Paul Fenwick about Presentation Mind
Control - how to make other people think your talk is much better than it really
is. Come and learn some great tips on how to improve your presentations.
Conference Presentation Mind Control
At the heart of any good conference are its presenters. To learn new skills and
discover new ideas are what conferences are all about -- at least that's what
you tell your boss when you apply for funding. Presenting is a rewarding, and
often prestigious activity, but some speakers seem to do it better than others.
Paul Fenwick shares his experiences of almost a decade of teaching and public
speaking. Discover how to keep your audience's attention, how to improve your
presentation techniques, and how to use mind control to get others to do your
bidding.
Details
===
When: 6:30pm, 21st September 2005
Where: James Squires Brewhouse
2 The Promenade,
King St Wharf
Sydney
Fee: $0.00
This event is hosted by the Sydney Perl Mongers. Also presenting will be Andrew
Savige discussion Damian Conway's newest book: Perl Best Practices.
Everyone is welcome.
All the best,
Jacinta
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[SLUG] wifi router
hi, i am currently looking for a wifi router that will replace current linux box (it died this week after a long life full of work - RIP). but i dont want to replace the box with a new linux box because the new hardware i will get in shops will be an absolute overkill. i am looking for router which can act like linux as a full-featured router (sharing via wifi/lan, dhcp-server, dns-server, firewall, wep/wap, nat, ...) . last time i have read an article about openwrt and i would like to have a router that is supported by this project. but the list of supported hardware is overwhelming. i have seen a lot of people using the linksys WRT54G. could someone share some experiences with this piece or with openwrt? is it really that easy to use the linksys with openwrt and are there any tradeoffs using linux instead of the original firmware? thanks, gottfried signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: network "restart" drops eth0 connection :(
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 07:05:26PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 12:21:50AM +1000, David wrote: > > I'm just building a brand new Ubuntu server box. Unfortunately I put in > > the wrong address for the nameserver so I changed it manually (edited > > /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces) and now if I restart > > networking I lose the eth0 connection completely! ie, ifconfig only shows > > loopback. > > > > If I completely reboot the machine, eth0 comes back and works fine until > > the next time I restart networking :( > > > > Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? > > Check that /etc/network/interfaces contains the line > > auto eth0 > > I've had some problems with machines not having that line in there, and > having exactly the problems you're reporting. That appears to be exactly the problem. It's curious that Hoary desktop puts it there, but Hoary server doesn't. thanks David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Debian 3.1
Paul Maloney wrote: > Hi all, > Well I have waited a long time to get my hands on a copy of Debian 3.1 > and finally got it. Now my problem is that it gets as far as loading the > installer and it has trouble reading the data. Does anyone have any > ideas as I have emailed Debian and as yet got no reply. would you mind to specify "trouble reading the data"? is the cdrom not supported or an error in loading some packages or ...? how far does the installation go without an error? is this an original cd or a downloaded image burned on the cd? have checked if you can read the cd on another system? md5 of the packages is ok? you can also download a minimal install image (business card release with about 40mb or netinst with 180meg) and try these. so, you see there are many open questions :) cu signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Debian 3.1
Hi all, Well I have waited a long time to get my hands on a copy of Debian 3.1 and finally got it. Now my problem is that it gets as far as loading the installer and it has trouble reading the data. Does anyone have any ideas as I have emailed Debian and as yet got no reply. Regards Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Debian 3.1
> I have just installed Debian 3.1 but instead of it opening in the GUI I > have to type in a command. Would some kind person tell me what it is? You could log in and type 'startx', or you could install a display manager such as gdm (if you like GNOME) or kdm (if you like KDE) - then it will give a graphical login prompt by default. - Jeff -- Ubuntu USA & Europe Tour: Oct-Nov 2005http://wiki.ubuntu.com/3BT "The plural of lego is legouch, from when you tread on those plural on the floor in bare feet." - Telsa Gwynne -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: network "restart" drops eth0 connection :(
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 12:21:50AM +1000, David wrote: > I'm just building a brand new Ubuntu server box. Unfortunately I put in > the wrong address for the nameserver so I changed it manually (edited > /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces) and now if I restart > networking I lose the eth0 connection completely! ie, ifconfig only shows > loopback. > > If I completely reboot the machine, eth0 comes back and works fine until > the next time I restart networking :( > > Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong? Check that /etc/network/interfaces contains the line auto eth0 I've had some problems with machines not having that line in there, and having exactly the problems you're reporting. - Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Debian 3.1
I have just installed Debian 3.1 but instead of it opening in the GUI I have to type in a command. Would some kind person tell me what it is? John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
