[SLUG] ocassional network failure: network unreachable

[Voytek Eymont]

I have a RH73 that I ocassionally power up,
initially, it was on a 192.168.x.x LAN/router, subsequently, the router
was replaced with a 10.1.1.x unit,

I manually edited setup (from 192. subnet to 10. subnet), and, as far as I
recall, it was working at that time... I think it was..

but, now that I powered up the ocassional machine, I can't get past the
router... what am I missing...?

I can ping the router, but, when I try to go outside, I get 'network
unreachable' (traceroute, ping, ssh)(after 'service ipchains stop')

what did I screw up ?

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Re: [SLUG] ocassional network failure: network unreachable

[Chris Deigan]

quote("Voytek Eymont");
>but, now that I powered up the ocassional machine, I can't get past the
>router... what am I missing...?
>
>I can ping the router, but, when I try to go outside, I get 'network
>unreachable' (traceroute, ping, ssh)(after 'service ipchains stop')

Probably the default gateway, check with `route -n`.

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Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[Voytek Eymont]

On Thu, January 26, 2006 12:03 am, O Plameras wrote:
> Simon wrote:

>> AT the risk of starting a flamewar.I am being advised by
>> consultants that I need to 'upgrade' my Fedora Core servers to RH
>> Enterprise as it
>> is 'more robust', 'better supported', 'easier to upgrade' etc etc. We are
>> currently running them as our webserver (informational only - no
>> transactions), mailserver and intranet webserver (this one is a bit
>> slow, but just needs more RAM).

if I can jump in on this thread: I'm somewhat perplexed by all the
different RH offerings: AS, ES, workstation, desktop:

if all I need is a simple web/mail server with Apache/MySQL/PHP/BIND
stuff: can I get a (lower cost) workstation edition ? and run it as
web/mail server ? or, it will not get updates for Apache/Mysql/PHP ? or ?


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Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[James Purser]

On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 20:27 +1100, Voytek Eymont wrote:
> if I can jump in on this thread: I'm somewhat perplexed by all the
> different RH offerings: AS, ES, workstation, desktop:
> 
> if all I need is a simple web/mail server with Apache/MySQL/PHP/BIND
> stuff: can I get a (lower cost) workstation edition ? and run it as
> web/mail server ? or, it will not get updates for Apache/Mysql/PHP ? or ?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Voytek
> 

Okay I'll add my two cents worth as well. RedHat is a "for profit"
company, so they provide different product streams with different
benefits. Do we need them, no. Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Mandriva will do us
fine because we know (or should know) what we're doing.

For orgs that do not have a SLUG super geek at hand, RedHat support
gives them sense that they can a) Have someone they can call for help,
and b) Have someone to blame when it does go wrong.
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Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[Dean Hamstead]

that said, they pay a lot of people to develop a lot of
software and or fix a lot of bugs.

dont forget that the redhat distribution brought polish
previously unseen in linux.

alas redhat would seem to be past their prime, but they have
contributed enormously to linux.

that all said, the debian distribution is still my favourite.

Dean


Okay I'll add my two cents worth as well. RedHat is a "for profit"
company, so they provide different product streams with different
benefits. Do we need them, no. Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Mandriva will do us
fine because we know (or should know) what we're doing.

For orgs that do not have a SLUG super geek at hand, RedHat support
gives them sense that they can a) Have someone they can call for help,
and b) Have someone to blame when it does go wrong.


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[SLUG] No photo for Tridge in Wikipedia?

[Rev Simon Rumble]

Lordy, just looked up Tridge in Wikipedia and found there's no photo! 
Anyone got one they care to contribute?  If you don't have a Wikipedia
account and don't want to open one, email me the photo assigning it a
free license (GFDL or CC-SA, or both by preference).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tridgell

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Re: [SLUG] ocassional network failure: network unreachable

[Voytek Eymont]

On Thu, January 26, 2006 8:21 pm, Chris Deigan wrote:
> quote("Voytek Eymont");
>> but, now that I powered up the ocassional machine, I can't get past the
>>  router... what am I missing...?
>>
>> I can ping the router, but, when I try to go outside, I get 'network
>> unreachable' (traceroute, ping, ssh)(after 'service ipchains stop')
>
> Probably the default gateway, check with `route -n`.

kernel ip routing table
dest gw mask flag metric ref use iface
10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0  eth0
127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0  lo



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Re: [SLUG] ocassional network failure: network unreachable

[Chris Deigan]

quote("Voytek Eymont");
>kernel ip routing table
>dest gw mask flag metric ref use iface
>10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0  eth0
>127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0  lo

In that case you'll have to set a default gateway, you can do this on a
one-time basis with route:
route add default gw router.ip.address

...or set it up by modifying /etc/sysconfig/network:
GATEWAY=router.ip.address

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Re: [SLUG] ocassional network failure: network unreachable

[Voytek Eymont]

On Thu, January 26, 2006 9:58 pm, Chris Deigan wrote:
> quote("Voytek Eymont");


> In that case you'll have to set a default gateway, you can do this on a
> one-time basis with route: route add default gw router.ip.address

Chris,
thanks, that got me going, BUT, 'network' file seems OK:
>
> ...or set it up by modifying /etc/sysconfig/network:
> GATEWAY=router.ip.address

well, my current /etc/sysconfig/network was edited during router changes,
and, has like:


NETWORKING=yes
HOSTNAME=somename
GATEWAY=10.1.1.1


additionally

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 has:
---
BROADCAST=10.1.1.255
USERCTL=no
ONBOOT=yes
PEERDNS=no
TYPE=Ethernet
MTU=""
DEVICE=eth0
NETMASK=255.0.0.0
BOOTPROTO=none
IPADDR=10.1.1.7
NETWORK=10.1.1.0
GATEWAY=10.1.1.1
--



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Sablotron/ xml Re: [SLUG] rpm vs source install, backlevel version, any gotchas ?

[Voytek Eymont]

On Wed, January 25, 2006 12:56 pm, Rob Sharp wrote:

> You might be interested in some benchmarks for various parsers:

> http://xmlbench.sourceforge.net/results/benchmark/
> In the XSLT benchmarks, Expat+Sablotron appear considerably slower
> than libxml + libxslt. YMMV.
>
> From memory, PHP is not as easy as some other languages to switch
> engines, but the change may be worthwhile if you see a marked improvement
> and/or you have someone to alter the code.


thanks, Rob, appreciate the benchmarks... but, this is all somewhat above
my head... (no need to agree...)

when I 1st looked for xslt on php pages, it spoke of Sablotron:
-
This PHP extension provides a processor independent API to XSLT
transformations. Currently this extension only supports the Sablotron
library from the Ginger Alliance. Support is planned for other libraries,
such as the Xalan library or the libxslt library.
-

so, when I found, and, even managed to activate Sablotron, I was quite
pleased, if you know what I mean

now, following your advice, I've searched some more, actually came across
a server with *both* sablotron (like I have), as well as:
---
domxml
DOM/XML enabled
DOM/XML API Version 20020815
libxml Version  20622
HTML Supportenabled
XPath Support   enabled
XPointer Supportenabled
DOM/XSLTenabled
libxslt Version 1.1.15
libxslt compiled against libxml Version 2.6.22
DOM/EXSLT   enabled
libexslt Version1.1.15
-

which I guess is what you suggested

but, to come back to my 'problem':

I'm trying to install a third party supplied cms, with the xls being a
pre-req, if to use your suggestion requires altering the cms code, than
it's out of q, it's not going to happen

if, on other hand, I can fit the other libraries, and, it will make
existing code perform better, that might happen

like I said, it's somewhat above...

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Re: [SLUG] ocassional network failure: network unreachable

[telford]

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 10:55:08PM +1100, Voytek Eymont wrote:

> BROADCAST=10.1.1.255
> NETMASK=255.0.0.0
> NETWORK=10.1.1.0
> GATEWAY=10.1.1.1

It's a bit unusual to use a broadcast that is lower than the top
address in the network range. In theory it can work but most of
your off-the-shelf router devices will be surprised by this.

I suggest EITHER:

 BROADCAST=10.255.255.255
 NETMASK=255.0.0.0
 NETWORK=10.0.0.0
 GATEWAY=10.1.1.1

OR:

 BROADCAST=10.1.1.255
 NETMASK=255.255.255.0
 NETWORK=10.1.1.0
 GATEWAY=10.1.1.1


Depending on what the rest of your devices are configured to.

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RE: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[Simon]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Purser
Sent: Thu, 26. January 2006 8:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to
change


On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 20:27 +1100, Voytek Eymont wrote:
> if I can jump in on this thread: I'm somewhat perplexed by all the 
> different RH offerings: AS, ES, workstation, desktop:
> 
> if all I need is a simple web/mail server with Apache/MySQL/PHP/BIND
> stuff: can I get a (lower cost) workstation edition ? and run it as 
> web/mail server ? or, it will not get updates for Apache/Mysql/PHP ? 
> or ?
> 
> 
> --
> Voytek
> 

Okay I'll add my two cents worth as well. RedHat is a "for profit"
company, so they provide different product streams with different
benefits. Do we need them, no. Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Mandriva will do us
fine because we know (or should know) what we're doing.

For orgs that do not have a SLUG super geek at hand, RedHat support
gives them sense that they can a) Have someone they can call for help,
and b) Have someone to blame when it does go wrong.
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Which are the two compelling reasons that my Board are concerned about -
the old 'what if you fell under a bus' question.

I am beginning to feel that if we don't go with RHEL then we will engage
a local support company

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[SLUG] NetBSD live CD

[Grant Parnell - slug]

Hey I know this isn't Linux but a lot of you out there also like BSD 
variants and therefore I'm forwarding this message. Perhaps we could 
collate all the feedback and send it - otherwise feel free to use the 
usual bug reporting techniques.

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:14:41 -0500 (EST)
From: haidut at metawire dot org
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NetBSD live CD

Hello,

I am one of the developers of Arudius - a live CD Linux distro targeting 
information security professionals. The 
CD has a large collection of security tools and a very small footprint (210MB) 
so it fits on a mini-CD, thus it 
can load its tools completely into RAM and run them very fast. In addition to 
this security-related Linux 
distribution, we also developed a NetBSD live CD focusing on the non-security 
community. It is called NeWBIE (or 
simply Newbie). This acronym is pronounced just like the word "newbie" and 
stands for 
(Ne)tBSD (W)are (B)urned (I)n (E)conomy, a naming convention similar to the one 
used for the well-known FreeSBIE 
CD. Newbie caters to the desktop-user (i.e. with applications for web browsing, 
chat, multimedia, document editing, 
etc) but will also serve as a core for creating a NetBSD-based live CD for 
network security auditing just like 
Arudius (see the  website). We are also in the process of developing a 
DragonflyBSD version of NeWBIE.
The goal of both CDs is to promote the usage of Linux/BSD and hopefully serve 
as useful tools for people who
need that kind of software.
We would appreciate it if you try out the CDs and give us some feedback on how 
we can improve them (i.e 
configuration, install additional software, etc). If you find any of the CDs to 
be useful, please mention them on 
your site or post a link to the homepage - http://arudius.sourceforge.net
Thank you very much for your attention and if you have any questions feel free 
to send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

best regards,
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[SLUG] Sound devices

[Alan L Tyree]

G'day,

How do I find all of my sound devices?

Thanks,


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[SLUG] Re: SLUG] No photo for Tridge in Wikipedia?

[Geoffrey Cowling]

Lordy, just looked up Tridge in Wikipedia and found there's no photo!


There is one on his own website ---www.samba.org/~tridge--reference in wikipedia

Geofrrey
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Re: [SLUG] Sound devices

[Ben Stringer]

On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:52 +1100, Alan L Tyree wrote:
> G'day,
> 
> How do I find all of my sound devices?

Hi Alan,

Try running "lspci" as root. It lists all the devices found on the PCI
bus.

You can also use the "dmesg" command and/or the contents
of /var/log/messages (may differ across distros) to see if a driver is
loaded at boot time for each device.

Cheers, Ben

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Re: [SLUG] Sound devices

[Chris Deigan]

quote("Alan L Tyree");
>How do I find all of my sound devices?

/proc/asound/cards (under ALSA) will show you all sound cards
registered.

/proc/asound/devices will show you every device registered to ALSA.

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Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[jam]

On Friday 27 January 2006 05:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-01-26 at 20:27 +1100, Voytek Eymont wrote:
> > if I can jump in on this thread: I'm somewhat perplexed by all the
> > different RH offerings: AS, ES, workstation, desktop:
> >
> > if all I need is a simple web/mail server with Apache/MySQL/PHP/BIND
> > stuff: can I get a (lower cost) workstation edition ? and run it as
> > web/mail server ? or, it will not get updates for Apache/Mysql/PHP ?
> > or ?

The workstation editions do not have network servers, so no you can't.

Redhat offer a free 30 day install of any of the RHEs, after that you can just 
use it, but not get updates. 

Fedora is cute for a workstation, but FOS as a server eg try to 
use /etc/aliases with postfix, eg try named virtual hosts with 
system-config-http!

For your requirements, IMHO, SuSE has the nicest, most consistant sys-admin 
tools (yast) of any distro. Then the sys-admin, the office junior, my 85yo 
grandmother (and I'm dead serious!) can do month-to-month admin over the 
phone. There are minor differences between CDs DVDs AllFree ProprietyApps 
with SuSE10 downloads. I just purchased a boxed set for $100 from 
http://www.elx.com 

It might not be popular with the consultants: afterall you can easily do your 
own admin.
After 25 years I *can* do all my sys-admin with ed, by why bother to make 
sequins for a dress you're making. Again . (actually ed's not 
that bad)
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Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[Peter Rundle]

> the old 'what if you fell under a bus' question.

I prefer to think of it as the 'what if you won the lottery' question.

In either case having RHEL isn't going to make much difference. More 
important is to document what has been installed so that the companies 
replacement Linux geek can follow, understand and continue to support, 
rather than having to throw their hands in the air and build a complete 
new (also undocumented ;-)) replacement setup that they understand.


Rather than ask the FC vs RHEL question, perhaps you should ask, "How 
good is my documentation. If a Slugger came in here to take over running 
the joint, how long would it take for them to get up to speed?"


I'm following your thread with great interest as we have a FC4 server 
and I'm looking to get another, but debating if I should go RHEL this 
time? Of course I want a 64bit Dual processor machine, does RHEL support 
such a beast yet?


P.



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Re: [SLUG] Fedora vs RH Enterprise - consultants advising to change

[Dean Hamstead]

judgind from the 'available operating systems' on the dell
site. i would say yes it does

(dell ships EM64T cpu's not AMD64's. but they both use the
x86_64 port)


if you havent used amd64 before, try it on a desk machine
first. i run it at home (debian) on my amd64 4000+ and there
has been some interesting tidbits. i also tried fc4 x86_64
(trying to resolve nvidia problems). although, debian
is totally better.

Dean


I'm following your thread with great interest as we have a FC4 server 
and I'm looking to get another, but debating if I should go RHEL this 
time? Of course I want a 64bit Dual processor machine, does RHEL support 
such a beast yet?


P.





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Re: [SLUG] No photo for Tridge in Wikipedia?

[Howard Lowndes]

What about asking Tridge if he wants his mug shot on Wikipedia...

Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
Lordy, just looked up Tridge in Wikipedia and found there's no photo! 
Anyone got one they care to contribute?  If you don't have a Wikipedia

account and don't want to open one, email me the photo assigning it a
free license (GFDL or CC-SA, or both by preference).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tridgell

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[SLUG] RE: FUNDRAISING - SPONSORSHIP - MORPHETT VALE SHARKS MASTERS NETBALL CLUB

[Heather Coutts]

To Whom It May Concern

 

We are writing to you in search of Sponsorship/Donations in
any form. We are members of the Morphett Vale Sharks Masters Netball Club
Incorporated.

 

In November we will be sending two teams one ladies over
30’s and one Mixed over 30’s to compete in the Pan Pacific Masters
Games on the Gold Coast. Last time we competed we came back with the Gold Medal
for the Mixed and 6th in the Ladies competition.

 

We compete against others teams from around Australia and the Pacific region. We are
currently looking for sponsorship to raise money for our Netball Levies,
Umpire’s, Uniforms, Bib’s, Balls, equipment etc.

 

We are able to put your company logo on items that we use
from Socks, Drink Bottles to Uniforms if you supply them. If you are a sponsor
you will receive a Masters Games Medal, T-Shirt and Photo of the Team, to
display at your business premises. And if we bring home the Gold Medal again
you will have bragging rights.

 

Our Club does various fund raising events and our next one
is a Trivia Night in March, we will be auctioning items. So if you are unable
to Sponsor our club can donate money or auctionable items (Free Service,
Football Jumpers with Autographs, Goods, Merchandise, Discount etc) it would be
greatly appreciated, no matter how small.

 

Thank you for your future support.

 

Regards

 

Heather Coutts

Chairperson

 

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[SLUG] Re: Pharamac y sacking

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Re: [SLUG] Setserial a little help required.

[Peter Chubb]

> "Ben" == Ben Stringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ben> On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 22:48 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>  setserial is for low level hardware configuration like telling the
>> kernel the finer differences between uart variations.  On a modern
>> kernel running over modern hardware you should almost never be
>> running setserial, certainly NOT for trying to change the baud
>> rate, parity or any of the regular serial port settings.
>> 
>> - Tel

Ben> I'm surprised to hear this. What higher level configuration tools
Ben> do you use to set the baud rate of the serial port from a script
Ben> talking directly to an arbitrary device on a serial port?
Ben> (ie. from something other than a terminal emulator like minicom).

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