Re: [SLUG] Oracle 9i database and samba

2008-03-02 Thread Alex Samad
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 03:50:22PM +1000, Simon Wong wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 14:40 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > Do you plan to have access to that database in parallel to having that
> > VMware WIndows running?
> 
> There will be multiple VMs running on the same machine.
> 
> > Because if so then Joel Heenan's solution is the right one - run Orcale 9i
> > on the host and have it accessed from the Windows under VMware.
> 
> I think the solution will be one Windows VM running Oracle (possible
> with the DB files on Samba) and the other VMs accessing that Oracle
> instance.
Any reason to put oracle on windows ? why not make up oracle on a linux
(vm or real box)

> > Generally, the advise I remember (at least for Postgres) is that running
> > databases on top of network file systems is a bad idea at least for
> > performance, but I never tried this personally.
> 
> Understandable but these DB files are on the same physical machine,
> different OS (Linux VMware host).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020

2008-03-02 Thread david . lyon

Quoting Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Australian Government officials have been on the foreign take
for a long time


If you have real concrete evidence of this corruption why are
you emailing the SLUG mailing list instead of contacting
ICAC (Independant Commisson Against Corruption) or our
somewhat flawed but still free press. If you have real info,
any politician indulging in corruption *will* be investigated
by ICAC and/or the press.


lol - maybe i will


and we wonder why our software industry is stuck in first gear.


Never attribute to malice or corruption that which can more than
adequately explained by stupidity and incompetence. In addition,
this later explaination also works well for the majority of the
business leaders of this country who even in 2008 still have
little interest in or knowledge of IT.


Well maybe you could run some training courses and help to
set them straight maybe i might like to come along also..

take care

David

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Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020

2008-03-02 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When people see the corruption they tend to leave the
> country...



> Offshore companies will make
> the payments to your bank account anywhere you would like it
> in the world



> Australian Government officials have been on the foreign take
> for a long time

If you have real concrete evidence of this corruption why are
you emailing the SLUG mailing list instead of contacting
ICAC (Independant Commisson Against Corruption) or our
somewhat flawed but still free press. If you have real info,
any politician indulging in corruption *will* be investigated
by ICAC and/or the press.

If you don't have any real evidence, your accusations are worth
less than the electrons used to transmit them.

> and we wonder why our software industry is stuck in first gear.

Never attribute to malice or corruption that which can more than
adequately explained by stupidity and incompetence. In addition,
this later explaination also works well for the majority of the
business leaders of this country who even in 2008 still have 
little interest in or knowledge of IT.

Erik
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Re: [SLUG] Oracle 9i database and samba

2008-03-02 Thread Simon Wong
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 15:06 +0900, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Again, why are you asking here versus the two vendors in question?

Because I am interested in some independent advice/war stories.

> I strongly suggest you just ask your vendors and get them to sign off on it.
> I sincerely doubt anyone here is qualified to tell you "yes" or "no";
> and Minescape looks like a serious piece of mine design and operations 
> planning
> software.

I will be.

Thanks.

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Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020

2008-03-02 Thread Rick Welykochy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Under the Federal Government and State Government, there has
been millions of dollars "promised" but then leak away. This
will keep on continuing...


[off topic]

It is worthwhile to note that when many of the promised
funding plans (in all sectors, but esp. social welfare) were
followed up over the past ten years, no funds were actually
dispersed.

It is one thing to promise to fund. It is quite another to
actually see the funding occur.


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rickw



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Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020

2008-03-02 Thread david . lyon

Quoting David Guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input
to 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)?



lol...

2020 is a long way away.

I mean come on we have a brain drain going on here

Australia is known around the world as a place to find skilled
workers.

In return, Australia works to lure skilled workers back to
replace the ones that are leaving.

If you see inside many of our Government Departments, typically
the open source projects they support are foreign ones. There are
exceptions, which count for about 1%.

Under the Federal Government and State Government, there has
been millions of dollars "promised" but then leak away. This
will keep on continuing...

When people see the corruption they tend to leave the
country...

By contrast, India to it's credit... with "more" corruption
has a wonderful software industry... while ours languishes.

Things will remain much the same till 2020, except the offshore
accounts of our politicians will continue to grow.

I was listening to an ex-official in Canberra just this weekend
describe it as an "Open Market". Offshore companies will make
the payments to your bank account anywhere you would like it
in the world

This is not new of course

Australian Government officials have been on the foreign take
for a long time and it is not going to change by 2020...

and we wonder why our software industry is stuck in first gear..

Whilst this is true... the solution for us all is to act
more globally ourselves...

but when we do of course... work to grow equity... that
is have more "ownership" of projects and attract foreign
workers to work on projects that benefit us.

Instead of simply sending young australians to work offshore
on other nations projects.

This is something that I really hope to see happen
by 2020

David










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Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020

2008-03-02 Thread Jeff Waugh


> Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input to
> 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)?

Various FLOSS-friendly folks have nominated to participate at the event, and
many more are writing submissions to be considered at the discussion. I hope
we see submissions from OSIA and LA (and possibly SLUG?), but otherwise it's
up to individuals to put their ideas out there. If you're up for it, write a
submission! :-)

[Just don't say, "Open Source will save Australia billions of dollars"! :-)]

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[SLUG] Seeing 2020

2008-03-02 Thread David Guest
Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input
to 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)?

There's was a brief article in the popular economic press
(http://business.smh.com.au/lateral-thinking-should-be-given-some-latitude/20080222-1u1r.html)
suggesting the wider adoption of open source technologies should be
considered.

David

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