Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Jake Anderson wrote: On 31/08/09 13:04, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: AFAIK no *NIX based computer would run without one ... as soon as the kernel spawns init from there on its all shells So demise, ahh, no. jobst There is no reason init needs to be a (textual) shell. Except you'd wish it was at 4am when the server won't boot and you need to fix a file etc. But yeah, you'd at least expect it to be able to fork() some kind of sub process. Is not a shell defined by this exact ability (ie fork())? rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia gr...@zeta.org.auhttp://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "The perversity of the Universe tends towards a maximum." - Finagle's Law -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
On 31/08/09 12:49, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:26:59AM +0800, jam (j...@tigger.ws) wrote: On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:38:37 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: [snip] The GUI paradigism allows people who have not learned to talk to computers to communicate using pictures. This picture mode is slow and cumbersome (imagine talking to a Russian, but using pictures to convey your point) I beg to differ. Let me see. GUI stands for "graphic user interface" which does not mean pictures and it doesn NOT mean slow and cumbersome ... and when I used my first X windows (late 80's DEC station) I moved away from the shell only thing FAST ... especially if you need to look after a number of apache servers, all in differnt places/cities/countries and want to compare their httpd.conf's. You can do that by ssh's into all of the machine using 4 xterms side by side. You can't do that without a, what you call slow and cumbersome, GUI. jobst Well, you can, screen can do that for you, its just slow and cumbersome in comparison to a few mouse clicks. I'd like to see somebody do something creative in terms of video editing or gimp style artwork in a shell, sure it'd be possible but it would take forever to get the same result. Heck doing any sort of visualisation of a decent data set would be impossible in a text shell. Its horses for courses, I use text shells on servers and gnome on my desktop. Right now I have a ssh console on my left monitor and this email in thunderbird on my right. Microsoft has gone to the trouble of introducing a new console/shell and there is even the option of running it alone (no gui) on some versions of their software (as far as i'm aware) so no, the shell isn't dead, its just more people are using linux that don't need to use the shell. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: I beg to differ. Let me see. GUI stands for "graphic user interface" which does not mean pictures and it doesn NOT mean slow and cumbersome ... and when I used my first X windows (late 80's DEC station) I moved away from the shell only thing FAST ... especially if you need to look after a number of apache servers, all in differnt places/cities/countries and want to compare their httpd.conf's. You can do that by ssh's into all of the machine using 4 xterms side by side. You can't do that without a, what you call slow and cumbersome, GUI. You could do that with a GNU screen session split into 4 sections, all from the console without any GUI. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
On 31/08/09 13:04, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: AFAIK no *NIX based computer would run without one ... as soon as the kernel spawns init from there on its all shells So demise, ahh, no. jobst There is no reason init needs to be a (textual) shell. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
AFAIK no *NIX based computer would run without one ... as soon as the kernel spawns init from there on its all shells So demise, ahh, no. jobst On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:38:52PM +1000, Jeff Waugh (j...@perkypants.org) wrote: > > > > Can you throw light on the demise of the "unix shell"? > > Demise?! :-) > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2010: Wellington, NZhttp://www.lca2010.org.nz/ > > Patches are like Free Software love letters. > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- It took the power of 3 Commodore 64's to go to the moon, but it takes a 2GHz Pentium 4 to run XP... Something is desperately wrong here! | |0| | Jobst Schmalenbach, jo...@barrett.com.au, General Manager | | |0| Barrett Consulting Group P/L & The Meditation Room P/L |0|0|0| +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] 40 Years of Unix
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:26:59AM +0800, jam (j...@tigger.ws) wrote: > On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:38:37 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: [snip] > The GUI paradigism allows people who have not learned to talk to computers to > communicate using pictures. > This picture mode is slow and cumbersome (imagine talking to a Russian, but > using pictures to convey your point) I beg to differ. Let me see. GUI stands for "graphic user interface" which does not mean pictures and it doesn NOT mean slow and cumbersome ... and when I used my first X windows (late 80's DEC station) I moved away from the shell only thing FAST ... especially if you need to look after a number of apache servers, all in differnt places/cities/countries and want to compare their httpd.conf's. You can do that by ssh's into all of the machine using 4 xterms side by side. You can't do that without a, what you call slow and cumbersome, GUI. jobst -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head! | |0| | Jobst Schmalenbach, jo...@barrett.com.au, General Manager | | |0| Barrett Consulting Group P/L & The Meditation Room P/L |0|0|0| +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] DNS Appliances/Web Frontends
UnspecifiedId wrote: Greetings, a) can anyone recommend a good virtual DNS appliance with a decent Web GUI frontend I haven't worked with them personally but an ex-colleague of mine had some pretty good things to say about Infoblox: http://www.infoblox.com/ I did a bit of googling and found a bunch of other appliances on the market: http://www.infoweapons.com/products/solidDNS.php http://btdiamondip.com/products/DHCP_DNS_Appliances/ http://appliansys.com/products/dnsbox/400/ http://www.bluecatnetworks.com/products/proteusipam http://www.efficientip.com/en/product-enterprise/appliances/dnsdhcp-solidserver/en-prodenterp-appliance-dnsdhcp.php When you do your googling you might want to search for "IPAM" as well. On the free/opensource front, you might want to check out IPplan: http://iptrack.sourceforge.net/ I've played around with it in a demo site and it looks alright. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Nokia one-ups IBM on Linux marketing
While... it is cool ... I already run debian on my phone ;) (openmoko user). This phone is just cool, mostly due to the insane / awesome hardware in it + the fact its from nokia and running linux. I can't wait to see one in real plastic :) 2009/8/30 Daniel Bush : > 2009/8/28 Adam Kennedy > >> Hi gang >> >> You may have noticed recently that Nokia has decided to pack a fairly >> beefy Linux setup into their new super high end phone. >> >> What I didn't notice till today is that they've also had a shot at >> making the shiniest ad for a Linux OS yet :) >> >> http://maemo.nokia.com/ >> > > > What they didn't show was this: > http://flors.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/screenshot13.png?w=500&h=300 > That sold me right there (well for novelty value I guess). > > Imagine being able to apt-get on your phone. It's great (and a little > suprising) to see a big company running with the debian system like this and > leaving it pretty much open unlike apple. I hope they kickass with this > product - although it's almost too geeky-cool to last/succeed. > > On one of the forums I was reading people were talking about making use of > the Xserver on the phone to access apps on beefier machines - some mention > of nx enhancements to X for slow connections. (yes, I also know about rdp > and vnc) > > -- > Daniel Bush > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: Transferring iceape bookmarks
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 03:53:28PM +1000, bill wrote: > My method, which I've just worked out again as I forgot what I'd done > previously) when I want to set up Firefox and Thundrbird in a new > install, is to copy the old installs /home/xxx/.mozilla ( or > /home//.mozilla-thunderbird) to the /home// of the new > install BEFORE running either Firefox or Thunderbird. > > I then run ( in a terminal) sudo firefox-x.x ( ie firefox-3.5) > -profilemanager ( or sudo thunderbird -profilemanager), which finds > the copied user profile. Just accept it and then select "run" and it > will set up everything and even download and install updated plugins > etc. > > > Hope this helps - your Iceape should be included in all of this > automatically I imagine. Thanks. I did that but keep getting Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) nslProfileInternal.currentProfile .. when trying to open either of my two old profiles. However I can set up a new profile. The point of the exercise being to transfer bookmarks, it does not serve any purpose. Googling by the error msg, I gather the problem lies in permissions. I have used a working mozilla profile as a model, but still keep getting the msg. Can you see any perms errors in the list below ? Adam. a...@paradise.net.nz .mozilla-t1: total 84 drwxr-x--- 10 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 13:47 . drwxr-xr-x 58 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 18:02 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 3340 2009-08-30 18:02 appreg drwx-- 4 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 12:45 default drwx-- 4 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 12:47 Felix drwx-- 6 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 15:17 firefox drwx-- 3 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 12:47 iceowl drwx-- 2 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 12:47 .mozconfig-thunderbird drwx-- 8 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 12:54 .mozilla -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 16682 2009-08-30 12:47 mozver.dat -rw--- 1 adam adam 18429 2009-08-30 18:01 pluginreg.dat drwxr-xr-x 2 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 12:47 plugins drwx-- 4 adam adam 4096 2009-08-30 18:00 T-2 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
