[SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread peter

Hi folks, 

 I run a family wiki inside my firewall, that contains stuff that I
 and others in my family want to keep track of.  However, there are
 times when various family members are away, when they want to be able
 to access the wiki, update it, etc., without network access --
 essentially, to carry around a syncable copy of the wiki on a laptop,
 PDA or phone.

 Does anyone know of any such software?  Linux of course, and
 preferably PalmOS as well but that's not essential.

 I'm using Moin at present, but it shouldn't be too hard to migrate to
 something else if the featureset is right.  It's mostly hyperlinked
 multi-lingual text with a few diagrams.

Peter C

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Re: [SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 19:14 +1100, pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:
 
  Does anyone know of any such software?  Linux of course, and
  preferably PalmOS as well but that's not essential. 

ikiwiki is the most mature such thing I know of.

-Rob


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Re: [SLUG] RAID Woes - Expanding Storage

2009-11-03 Thread Mark Walkom
You'd probably be best off finding the largest directories (eg user's $HOME)
and moving that onto the mirrored TB drives, and go from there.

2009/11/3 Nigel Allen d...@edrs.com.au


 Hi All

 I'm trying to assist a client who is running out of space.

 They have an HP DL360G4 with 2 x 160GB Maxtor SATA drives. they want us to
 replace them with 2 x 1TB Seagate drives. They are currently running
 everything (apart from /boot) from the root partition and are sitting on
 around 97% full.

 The problem is their current disk set up.

 First disk looks like this:

 Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda1   *   1  13  104391   83  Linux
 /dev/sda2  14   19216   154248097+  fd  Linux raid
 autodetect

 While the second looks like this:

 Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sdb1   *   1 254 2040223+  82  Linux swap
 /dev/sdb2 255   19457   154248097+  fd  Linux raid
 autodetect

 As you can guess, /boot is on /dev/sda1 and root is on the linux raid
  partition (RAID 1). The RAID looks like this:
 mdadm --detail /dev/md0
 /dev/md0:
   Version : 00.90.01
  Creation Time : Fri Nov 11 11:37:46 2005
Raid Level : raid1
Array Size : 154248000 (147.10 GiB 157.95 GB)
   Device Size : 154248000 (147.10 GiB 157.95 GB)
  Raid Devices : 2
  Total Devices : 2
 Preferred Minor : 0
   Persistence : Superblock is persistent

   Update Time : Tue Nov  3 16:40:57 2009
 State : clean
 Active Devices : 2
 Working Devices : 2
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0

  UUID : 034603b7:67d1a2c7:35610b04:82f5961d
Events : 0.2957028

   Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
  0   820  active sync   /dev/sda2
  1   8   181  active sync   /dev/sdb2

 What is the best way to replace these and allow for expansion later? Given
 that I'll end up with 2 x 1TB and 2 x 160GB drives, it would have been
 fantastic to use them all with boot, swap and root mirrored  at device level
 but the bloody stupid DL360 only has space for 2 x sata drives in total,
 internally. Added complication is that it is a fairly mission critical
 system so whatever we do we have to do it soon and have it back up the next
 morning.

 What sayest the collective consciousness of the SLUG?

 With Thanks and Regards

 Nigel.

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Re: [SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread James Polley
The slug wiki (horrendous as it is) is DokuWiki, which amongst its
other features, stores all its data in plain text files on disk, which
makes it amenable to all the usual tools for dealing with textual
content - eg, stick it inside bzr, people can check it out, take a
copy with them, and merge changes when they get home.

As the files are plain-text, they should be somewhat readable on a PDA...

http://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki for more details.

The next nearest thing I know of (aside from ikiwiki, which I hadn't
heard of till Rob mentioned it) is TiddlyWiki
(http://www.tiddlywiki.com/) - it's a self-hosting wiki-in-a-file
where all the code to make the wiki work is in javascript inside the
file. It's portable, bzr might work to merge changes (I don't know,
haven't tried, don't know enough about its innards). It definitely
makes it easy to take a copy with you on a thumb drive or similar, but
I don't know how all the JS is going to render on a small screen.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:14 PM,  pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:

 Hi folks,

  I run a family wiki inside my firewall, that contains stuff that I
  and others in my family want to keep track of.  However, there are
  times when various family members are away, when they want to be able
  to access the wiki, update it, etc., without network access --
  essentially, to carry around a syncable copy of the wiki on a laptop,
  PDA or phone.

  Does anyone know of any such software?  Linux of course, and
  preferably PalmOS as well but that's not essential.

  I'm using Moin at present, but it shouldn't be too hard to migrate to
  something else if the featureset is right.  It's mostly hyperlinked
  multi-lingual text with a few diagrams.

 Peter C

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[SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS

2009-11-03 Thread Steven Tucker
Hi all,

I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some 
Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of 
using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a 
server).

Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu 
server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition.

My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will 
likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? 
install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, 
install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or 
Debian.
I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended 
(or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have 
specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in 
hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different 
distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference).

Thanks

Tuxta



  
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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS

2009-11-03 Thread david
I'm using Ubuntu Hardy on servers (one mail, one web/database/dns of mine, plus one fileserver run 
by my son-in-law) and we have not found the need to upgrade. I'm waiting for the next LTS.


I don't think this is viable on desktop but on server I think it's more than desirable. If it ain't 
broke, don't fix it.


A little bird told me that the latest Ubuntu does ext4 by default (is this so? should you care?) so 
that may be a factor for you. Changing filesystems is probably something you would rather avoid.


Ironically, I started using Ubuntu because I like the Debian paradigm but didn't want to wait so 
long for upgrades! Except for the PulseAudio debacle (see previous thread) I have had no real reason 
to dislike Ubuntu. Naturally PulseAudio doesn't relate to servers.


OTOH, I haven't used Redhat since V.7 so maybe it's much better than Debian now.. who knows? It 
strikes me that Distros are like modern cars.. they all work pretty well and they are all pretty 
reliable, but that's just an impression I have.


Steven Tucker wrote:

Hi all,

I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some 
Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of 
using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a 
server).

Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu 
server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition.

My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will 
likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? 
install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, 
install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or 
Debian.
I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended 
(or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have 
specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in 
hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different 
distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference).

Thanks

Tuxta



  
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Re: [SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
2009/11/3  pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au:

 Hi folks,

  I run a family wiki inside my firewall, that contains stuff that I
  and others in my family want to keep track of.  However, there are
  times when various family members are away, when they want to be able
  to access the wiki, update it, etc., without network access --
  essentially, to carry around a syncable copy of the wiki on a laptop,
  PDA or phone.

  Does anyone know of any such software?  Linux of course, and
  preferably PalmOS as well but that's not essential.

  I'm using Moin at present, but it shouldn't be too hard to migrate to
  something else if the featureset is right.  It's mostly hyperlinked
  multi-lingual text with a few diagrams.

I use Tomboy[0] to maintain all of my notes. I sync it via plain ol'
ssh to a server at home. Other ways to sync include WebDAV and local
folders (combine with something like DropBox).

If you also want Web access, there's Snowy[1], which you can either
host yourself or via a service like Ubuntu One[2]. I prefer the speed
and convenience of a desktop application, but it's good to know that
there's a Web-based front-end too.

Note: Tomboy uses Mono. If that bothers you for whatever reason
(legal, resource usage, etc.) you can try another implementation such
as gnote[3] or Conboy[4].


[0] http://projects.gnome.org/tomboy/
[1] http://live.gnome.org/Snowy
[2] https://one.ubuntu.com/
[3] http://live.gnome.org/Gnote
[4] http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/conboy/

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Re: [SLUG] Port forwarding weirdities

2009-11-03 Thread db
There is a known bug in openwrt, at least on the 2.4 kernel. The bug
is that ... After some period time, forwarding a port from X to Y will
break  :) (forwarding will go screwy ). (where X / Y are different port numbers)

You can forward from Y to Y  reliably or should at least  should
be able too ;)



2009/11/3 Jeremy Visser jer...@visser.name:
 On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 21:37 +1100, Ishwor Gurung wrote:
 What about just dumping NAT table i.e., without the grep magic foo?

 Sure. I've attached an `iptables -t nat -L` from working, and broken.

 (Not sure if such attachments are allowed on this list, but I have seen
 some pretty hideous top-posting on this list that is much worse than a
 couple of KB of text attachments.)

 What's weird is that the line that should make all the difference (the
 last line in both attachments) doesn't change at all.

 At time of writing, the brokenness is sending traffic from port 1240 to
 port 81 instead of 80. (Has now been ports 82 and 95 in the past.)

 The only differences between the two dumps are that Transmission doesn't
 have one of its UDP port forwards for some reason, our (dynamic) WAN IP
 has changed, and I pulled another port forward that I wasn't using.

 Given that it has been working and broken without much change, I cannot
 put my finger on what it is.

 I think it could be a bug in OpenWRT. What specific revision is it?

 I'm running Kamikaze 8.09.1, r16278.

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Re: [SLUG] Port forwarding weirdities

2009-11-03 Thread Jeremy Visser
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 22:00 +1100, db wrote:
 There is a known bug in openwrt, at least on the 2.4 kernel. The bug
 is that ... After some period time, forwarding a port from X to Y will
 break  :)

[citation needed]

Do you have a link I could follow up on that with? My Google-Fu has
failed me (otherwise I wouldn't be having this problem :)).


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS

2009-11-03 Thread Jeremy Visser
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 21:40 +1100, david wrote:
 A little bird told me that the latest Ubuntu does ext4 by default (is
 this so? should you care?) so that may be a factor for you. Changing
 filesystems is probably something you would rather avoid.

An upgrade from Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (ext3) to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will in all
likelihood continue to use the existing filesystems as ext3, and not
'upgrade' them to ext4.

There are two upgrade paths to 10.04 LTS: from 8.04, and from 9.10. If
it were me, I'd deploy with 9.10, and upgrade from there when 10.04
comes out.

Why? I don't have a scientific reason for it, but a step from 9.10 to
10.04 will be more 'incremental' than from 8.04 to 10.04. Take ext4 for
example. 9.10 uses ext4 by default, so there will be no worries there.


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Re: [SLUG] Port forwarding weirdities

2009-11-03 Thread Ishwor Gurung
Hi Jeremy,

2009/11/3 Jeremy Visser jer...@visser.name:
 On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 21:37 +1100, Ishwor Gurung wrote:
 What about just dumping NAT table i.e., without the grep magic foo?

 Sure. I've attached an `iptables -t nat -L` from working, and broken.
[...]

 What's weird is that the line that should make all the difference (the
 last line in both attachments) doesn't change at all.

 At time of writing, the brokenness is sending traffic from port 1240 to
 port 81 instead of 80. (Has now been ports 82 and 95 in the past.)
This is sad. Indeed sad.

 The only differences between the two dumps are that Transmission doesn't
 have one of its UDP port forwards for some reason, our (dynamic) WAN IP
 has changed, and I pulled another port forward that I wasn't using.

 Given that it has been working and broken without much change, I cannot
 put my finger on what it is.
Hrmm. Try patching it against r17555 and see how it goes -
https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/17555. There are a bunch of fixes in
r16278 plus try disable QOS'ing packets (seems to be the common wisdom
of the ticket discussion)

 I think it could be a bug in OpenWRT. What specific revision is it?

 I'm running Kamikaze 8.09.1, r16278.
Isn't that the stock one?

This is quiet interesting https://dev.openwrt.org/roadmap says pptp
nat conntrack removed, cause of dnat off-by-one port forwarding bug
(r17555). But in your case though its definitely _more_ than
off-by-one port fwd in the dnat. hrmm. I feel this is a definitely a
bug. File a bug report I'd say (which is rather another question.
_Why_ on earth wouldn't you file a bug report?)

I mentioned in my previous post that I don't have my wrt with me atm
so proceed with caution.

These were the summary of latest patches by agb so far-
606-netfilter_NETMAP.patch
5.6 KB  17555   8 weeks agb: merge r17552 to 8.09 [generic-2.4] remove
nat pptp conntracking patch
//
610-netfilter_connbytes.patch
17.0 KB 17555   8 weeks agb: merge r17552 to 8.09 [generic-2.4] remove
nat pptp conntracking patch
//
613-netfilter_nat_h323.patch
26.8 KB 17555   8 weeks agb: merge r17552 to 8.09 [generic-2.4] remove
nat pptp conntracking patch

Sorry can't be of much help. I don't have time nor energy to write a patch.
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Re: [SLUG] Port forwarding weirdities

2009-11-03 Thread Jeremy Visser
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 23:34 +1100, Ishwor Gurung wrote: 
 Hrmm. Try patching it against r17555 and see how it goes -
 https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/17555. There are a bunch of fixes in
 r16278 plus try disable QOS'ing packets (seems to be the common wisdom
 of the ticket discussion)

Aha. Found the ticket here after looking based on those keywords:
https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/2558

Cool, looks like it is my issue after all. So it's a bug in one of their
kernel patches. Hmmph -- I guess I'm glad it's found, although they
certainly took their sweet time.

And I can't disable QOS, otherwise VoIP is unusable here.

Apparently the fix is going into Kamikaze 8.09.2, so I'm happy about
that.

Some people in the ticket mention that same port -- same port forwards
don't stuff up, so I think I'll just do a 1240 -- 1240 forward until
8.09.2 is released.

Thanks for the pointers everyone! Looks like this is 'resolved', despite
not being 'fixed' yet. :)


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Re: [SLUG] RAID Woes - Expanding Storage

2009-11-03 Thread Jake Anderson

Nigel Allen wrote:


Hi All

I'm trying to assist a client who is running out of space.

They have an HP DL360G4 with 2 x 160GB Maxtor SATA drives. they want 
us to replace them with 2 x 1TB Seagate drives. They are currently 
running everything (apart from /boot) from the root partition and are 
sitting on around 97% full.


The problem is their current disk set up.

First disk looks like this:

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *   1  13  104391   83  Linux
/dev/sda2  14   19216   154248097+  fd  Linux raid 
autodetect


While the second looks like this:

Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *   1 254 2040223+  82  Linux swap
/dev/sdb2 255   19457   154248097+  fd  Linux raid 
autodetect


As you can guess, /boot is on /dev/sda1 and root is on the linux raid  
partition (RAID 1). The RAID looks like this:

mdadm --detail /dev/md0
/dev/md0:
   Version : 00.90.01
 Creation Time : Fri Nov 11 11:37:46 2005
Raid Level : raid1
Array Size : 154248000 (147.10 GiB 157.95 GB)
   Device Size : 154248000 (147.10 GiB 157.95 GB)
  Raid Devices : 2
 Total Devices : 2
Preferred Minor : 0
   Persistence : Superblock is persistent

   Update Time : Tue Nov  3 16:40:57 2009
 State : clean
Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
Failed Devices : 0
 Spare Devices : 0

  UUID : 034603b7:67d1a2c7:35610b04:82f5961d
Events : 0.2957028

   Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
  0   820  active sync   /dev/sda2
  1   8   181  active sync   /dev/sdb2

What is the best way to replace these and allow for expansion later? 
Given that I'll end up with 2 x 1TB and 2 x 160GB drives, it would 
have been fantastic to use them all with boot, swap and root mirrored  
at device level but the bloody stupid DL360 only has space for 2 x 
sata drives in total, internally. Added complication is that it is a 
fairly mission critical system so whatever we do we have to do it soon 
and have it back up the next morning.


What sayest the collective consciousness of the SLUG?

With Thanks and Regards

Nigel.


nothing nice will come of raid on 2 disks with regards expansion ;-
you need raid 5 to expand the raid array natively (ie add more disks 
for larger sizes)

otherwise you could do something with LVM but I'm not a fan.

For my clients I set them up with /boot and / as raid 1, you can boot 
grub off raid 1 without a problem. then you have identical images on 
both drives.


you can then online expand the array (if you swap to larger disks).
there is a tutorial somewhere but basically (from memory) fail disk b, 
pull it from the system
put new 1Tb disk in, partition it for arrays, (with the full size) add 
them to the running array, let it sync (remember that last step,its 
really important ;-)

fail disk A, and repeat
then expand the file system to fill the available space in the raid 
partition.


I have successfully done it once or twice with non hot swap drives, 
total downtime was about 20 minutes whilst I swapped drives, all the 
sizing and syncing was done on-line.




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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS

2009-11-03 Thread Jake Anderson

Steven Tucker wrote:

Hi all,

I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with some 
Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been wary of 
using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it on a 
server).

Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their ubuntu 
server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server edition.

My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will 
likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? 
install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade, 
install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos or 
Debian.
I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its really not intended 
(or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience. Unless people have 
specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server, I am more interested in 
hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather than using a different 
distro (unless of course it is justified, not just distro preference).

Thanks

Tuxta


  

yeah go 9.10, it seems pretty spiffy from a desktop POV.

I have found ubuntu server upgrades to be much nicer than the average 
desktop upgrade, I spose there is less stuff on a server and hence less 
to go wrong.


I wouldn't be too worried about tracking the current release on a 
server, give it a month or two after release to make sure any kinks are 
worked out and go for it ;-


But then I have only updated as needed for hardware support and feature 
additions, like somebody said if it ain't broke.


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Re: [SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread Peter Chubb
 James == James Polley s...@zhasper.com writes:

James The slug wiki (horrendous as it is) is DokuWiki, which amongst
James its other features, stores all its data in plain text files on
James disk, which makes it amenable to all the usual tools for
James dealing with textual content - eg, stick it inside bzr, people
James can check it out, take a copy with them, and merge changes when
James they get home.

James As the files are plain-text, they should be somewhat readable
James on a PDA...

There are other plain-text wikis, including some with a git or
mercurial back-end. 
http://www.wikimatrix.org/ gives a list of 8: Foswiki, Git-Wiki, Hatta,
ikiwiki, KeheiWiki, MoniWiki, PodWiki and TWiki.  But  just because
they use a git or other RCS for a backend, doesn't mean that the Wiki
can be worked on from opposite sides of a firewall and then merged
easily when the mobile device moves back inside the firewall.  Nor
does it mean that the WiKi can easily be used on a low-powered device
(functions needed there are multi-lingual searching, viewing, editing,
syncing of *parts* of the WiKi, according to access controls)


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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS

2009-11-03 Thread Steven Tucker

Steven Tucker wrote:


My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will 
likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is? 
install 9.04 and upgrade

That was suppose to be 9.10, latest version, then upgrade to 10.04

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Re: [SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread Peter Chubb
 Sridhar == Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com writes:

Sridhar 2009/11/3 pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au:
 Hi folks,
 
  I run a family wiki inside my firewall, that contains stuff that I
  and others in my family want to keep track of.  However, there are
  times when various family members are away, when they want to be
 able  to access the wiki, update it, etc., without network access
 --  essentially, to carry around a syncable copy of the wiki on a
 laptop,  PDA or phone.
Sridhar I use Tomboy[0] to maintain all of my notes. I sync it via
Sridhar plain ol' ssh to a server at home. Other ways to sync include
Sridhar WebDAV and local folders (combine with something like
Sridhar DropBox).

Will this work with multiple off-line updates by different people?
And, yes, Mono is a bit too much of a resource hog to run on my
laptop.

Peter C
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Re: [SLUG] Journalist doesn't like Windows -- must have missed out on the freebies?

2009-11-03 Thread Simon Rumble
2009/11/4 jon jonjer...@optusnet.com.au
 Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's 
 nothing you can do about it.

 Some of the commentators are putting forward a case for Linux.

This is Charlie Brooker who is a _hilarious_ writer for the Grauniad.
He normally writes about television.  He wrote the Big Brother zombie
miniseries Dead Set (SBS next Monday night -- it's AWESOME).  All
round very sharp, very funny guy.

Take everything he says with a big sack of salt.

On the issue of the Windows 7 party videos, seen the spoof?

Host Your Own Windows 7 BitTorrent Party
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ef83afc272/hosting-your-windows-7-torrenting-party

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Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu Server LTS

2009-11-03 Thread jam
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 20:49:58 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:
 I will soon be replacing a Windows 2003 server in a small business with
 some Linux variant. Traditionally I have used Debian or Centos, I have been
 wary of using Ubuntu (whether justified or not, I was not confident with it
 on a server).

 Im now slowly being won over with others telling me how successful their
 ubuntu server installs have been, so now Im considering using ubuntu server
 edition.

 My question is .. the next LTS version is 10.04, but my deployment will
 likely be in January. What do people think the best course of action is?
 install 9.04 and upgrade, install last LTS (I think 8.10 ??) and upgrade,
 install last LTS and dont upgrade or go my traditional route and use Centos
 or Debian. I really hope this does not become a distro flame war, its
 really not intended (or wanted), just some idea's and hopefully experience.
 Unless people have specific reasons they would not use Ubuntu on a server,
 I am more interested in hearing thoughts on the Ubuntu upgrade path rather
 than using a different distro (unless of course it is justified, not just
 distro preference).

I ran my server (LAMP Mail and DNS) on ubuntu for a couple of years without 
problems and with quite positive impressions. Eventually I needed new compiler 
and qt4 support for my mythtv and at that time I let my preference for yast 
prevail.
The advantage of LTS was a quite nice LTS-LTS++ upgrade where as upgrading 
version to version was much more iffy - sometimes OK, not always
So if you were going ubuntu i'd install the last lts then upgrade and not 9.10 
to next LTS.
James
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[SLUG] Journalist doesn't like Windows -- must have missed out on the freebies?

2009-11-03 Thread jon

In today's SMH, taken from the Guardian:

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/better-the-broken-windows-than-life-with-the-mac-monks-20091103-huew.html

Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and 
there's nothing you can do about it.


Some of the commentators are putting forward a case for Linux.

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Re: [SLUG] Syncable wiki?

2009-11-03 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
2009/11/4 Peter Chubb pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au:
 Sridhar == Sridhar Dhanapalan srid...@dhanapalan.com writes:

 Sridhar 2009/11/3 pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au:
 Hi folks,

  I run a family wiki inside my firewall, that contains stuff that I
  and others in my family want to keep track of.  However, there are
  times when various family members are away, when they want to be
 able  to access the wiki, update it, etc., without network access
 --  essentially, to carry around a syncable copy of the wiki on a
 laptop,  PDA or phone.
 Sridhar I use Tomboy[0] to maintain all of my notes. I sync it via
 Sridhar plain ol' ssh to a server at home. Other ways to sync include
 Sridhar WebDAV and local folders (combine with something like
 Sridhar DropBox).

 Will this work with multiple off-line updates by different people?

It could be better, but depending on your circumstances it might be enough.

When synchronising, it can overwrite your local change with the
server's copy or rename your local copy to notename (old), after
which you can manually merge the two together. You can make it ask for
each conflict or set a default.

 And, yes, Mono is a bit too much of a resource hog to run on my
 laptop.

You can try Gnote then. It's a clone written in C. Fedora include it by default.


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