Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
To the community. Jon's experience probably really demonstrates why Linux isn't going to go mainstream anytime soon. While I would say 90% of people are going to have hardware that just works with the most current release of most distros, it is the 10% that have issues that really stings. Surely this hurdle needs to be overcome. With the likes of Canonical, Redhat, Novell and the like wanting this to work surely there is a need for some sort of integration centre that hardware vendors can submit their gadgets for driver development assistance, and qualification? I know that they do do some of these things and a lot of problems like video and suspend/resume seem a lot more predicable. Or is this simply never going to happen and we just need to put up with it considering the effect of aggressive competition and the need to get new stuff out there all the time. Regards, Martin martinvisse...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Jon Jermey jonjer...@gmail.com wrote: Puppeee did the trick! The eee 1005p is now talking to the world in Linux via wireless. Thanks, Kenneth! Jon. On 09/08/10 11:51, Kenneth Caldwell wrote: You might also investigate Puppeee-1.0 released on August 7th. http://puppylinux.org/news/releases/puppeee-10-for-the-eee-is-released/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 06:08 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: To the community. Jon's experience probably really demonstrates why Linux isn't going to go mainstream anytime soon. While I would say 90% of people are going to have hardware that just works with the most current release of most distros, it is the 10% that have issues that really stings. Surely this hurdle needs to be overcome. With the likes of Canonical, Redhat, Novell and the like wanting this to work surely there is a need for some sort of integration centre that hardware vendors can submit their gadgets for driver development assistance, and qualification? I know that they do do some of these things and a lot of problems like video and suspend/resume seem a lot more predicable. Or is this simply never going to happen and we just need to put up with it considering the effect of aggressive competition and the need to get new stuff out there all the time. Installed windows on non-mainstream machines lately. You have to find drivers, have conflicts of dlls and other things. I am not saying that it is not a problem, just not doom and gloom. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
Ken Foskey wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 06:08 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: To the community. Jon's experience probably really demonstrates why Linux isn't going to go mainstream anytime soon. While I would say 90% of people are going to have hardware that just works with the most current release of most distros, it is the 10% that have issues that really stings. Surely this hurdle needs to be overcome. With the likes of Canonical, Redhat, Novell and the like wanting this to work surely there is a need for some sort of integration centre that hardware vendors can submit their gadgets for driver development assistance, and qualification? I know that they do do some of these things and a lot of problems like video and suspend/resume seem a lot more predicable. Or is this simply never going to happen and we just need to put up with it considering the effect of aggressive competition and the need to get new stuff out there all the time. Installed windows on non-mainstream machines lately. You have to find drivers, have conflicts of dlls and other things. I am not saying that it is not a problem, just not doom and gloom. snip It is worth bearing in mind that Microsoft once did deals with Hardware suppliers and Hardware suppliers basically had/have to comply.However, the take home message from Jon's experience is the was a driver out there, so the manufacturers are obviously on board (difficult to write drives without the specs). However, one of the issues is licensing. WiFi as we all know is a licensensed technology, with royalties flowing through to CSIRO. Similarly for DVD/MPEG2. However, my understanding is that in both these cases the license is in the hardware not the software or at least not at the operating system/driver level. Alternatively, if the hardware ships with a license for the Windows software this should be transferable for use in the Linux software - as the Windows software and embedded license is redundant. A couple of years back, I bought a digital TV tuner that only came with a Windows driver with a view to running it under linux. I subscribed to the list and learnt a bit about what was involved. One of the issues seemed to be the hardware supplier was not keen for the specs to get into the public arena.So, the linux community may need to make do with closed source drivers. If SLUGers are interested in getting a feel for the issues try googling AF9015 Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://ramin.com.au Tel: 0414-869202 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
Ken Foskey kfos...@tpg.com.au writes: On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 06:08 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: Jon's experience probably really demonstrates why Linux isn't going to go mainstream anytime soon. While I would say 90% of people are going to have hardware that just works with the most current release of most distros, it is the 10% that have issues that really stings. [...] Installed windows on non-mainstream machines lately. You have to find drivers, have conflicts of dlls and other things. *nod* The real problem is not that Linux is hard to install: Windows is just as damn hard, and just as painful, for non-technical users.[1] The problem is that when you buy your machine it comes with Windows installed for you, by someone else, and you don't have to worry about it. Daniel Footnotes: [1] Heck, it sucks for technical folks too, a lot of the time. -- ✣ Daniel Pittman✉ dan...@rimspace.net☎ +61 401 155 707 ♽ made with 100 percent post-consumer electrons -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A distro which recognises Wi-fi on Asus eee 1005p? -- thanks for suggestions
- Original Message - From: Martin Visser martinvisse...@gmail.com Jon's experience probably really demonstrates why Linux isn't going to go mainstream anytime soon. While I would say 90% of people are going to have hardware that just works with the most current release of most distros, it is the 10% that have issues that really stings. Yeah I second Ken's reply to this - Windows has exactly the same problems at the moment. Especially with Windows 7 64bit. I have clients that have sound card problems that are unresolvable because the driver doesn't support Win7 properly. Others have all sorts of other issues getting things to work - webcams, fingerprint readers, extra stuff. Its not roses on the other side either... Dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] GRUB2 + RAID-1 on debian?
Hi, I've been trying to migrate my PC to RAID-1 on debian (testing), and it's up and running but update-grub and grub-install fails, I could just edit grub.cfg by hand but that's not ideal. I've got /dev/md0 (sda1, sdb1) -- /boot /dev/md1 (sda3, sdb3) -- / $ update-grub grub-probe: error: no such disk. $ grub-install /dev/sda grub-probe: error: no such disk. I tried to replace grub-probe with a wrapper to see what it was doing, and essentially it fails on $ grub-probe --device /dev/md0 --target=abstraction grub-probe: error: no such disk. and $ grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --target=fs --device /dev/md0 grub-probe: error: no such disk. I think it's konking out because /dev/md0 is a software raid-1 device. Anyone ever encounter anything like this before and know the way around it? Cheers, Ian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Re: GRUB2 + RAID-1 on debian?
Oops!! I spent all of last night trying to resolve this and the moment I send slug an email I figure it out myself! All I had to do was: $ dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc Not sure what magic happened behind the scenes but now everything works! Sorry to have disturbed you guys :) Ian On 2010-08-11 10:33am, Ian Su wrote: Hi, I've been trying to migrate my PC to RAID-1 on debian (testing), and it's up and running but update-grub and grub-install fails, I could just edit grub.cfg by hand but that's not ideal. I've got /dev/md0 (sda1, sdb1) -- /boot /dev/md1 (sda3, sdb3) -- / $ update-grub grub-probe: error: no such disk. $ grub-install /dev/sda grub-probe: error: no such disk. I tried to replace grub-probe with a wrapper to see what it was doing, and essentially it fails on $ grub-probe --device /dev/md0 --target=abstraction grub-probe: error: no such disk. and $ grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --target=fs --device /dev/md0 grub-probe: error: no such disk. I think it's konking out because /dev/md0 is a software raid-1 device. Anyone ever encounter anything like this before and know the way around it? Cheers, Ian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Re: GRUB2 + RAID-1 on debian?
On 11/08/2010 10:41, Ian Su wrote: Oops!! I spent all of last night trying to resolve this and the moment I send slug an email I figure it out myself! All I had to do was: $ dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc Not sure what magic happened behind the scenes but now everything works! Sorry to have disturbed you guys :) No problem - most of us are already disturbed N/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Re: GRUB2 + RAID-1 on debian?
Hi Ian, I have no experience with Debian, RAID-1 (software) and Grub, but I use it on numerous low end server Fedora installations. Make sure you install a copy of the grub boot loader in the master boot record of each hard drive, otherwise a failure of Disk0 will result in a machine that does not boot from the Disk1 mirror. This site/article shows how to install grub to the 2nd hdd: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-July/008898.html While this one shows the hdd replacement method to rebuild your arrays: http://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array I hope this helps avoid future heart ache. Regards, Andre Tomlinson Network Administrator / IT Manager All Saints Grammar School an...@allsaints.nsw.edu.au www.allsaints.nsw.edu.au -Original Message- From: Ian Su [mailto:ia...@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 11 August 2010 10:41 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Re: GRUB2 + RAID-1 on debian? Oops!! I spent all of last night trying to resolve this and the moment I send slug an email I figure it out myself! All I had to do was: $ dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc Not sure what magic happened behind the scenes but now everything works! Sorry to have disturbed you guys :) Ian On 2010-08-11 10:33am, Ian Su wrote: Hi, I've been trying to migrate my PC to RAID-1 on debian (testing), and it's up and running but update-grub and grub-install fails, I could just edit grub.cfg by hand but that's not ideal. I've got /dev/md0 (sda1, sdb1) -- /boot /dev/md1 (sda3, sdb3) -- / $ update-grub grub-probe: error: no such disk. $ grub-install /dev/sda grub-probe: error: no such disk. I tried to replace grub-probe with a wrapper to see what it was doing, and essentially it fails on $ grub-probe --device /dev/md0 --target=abstraction grub-probe: error: no such disk. and $ grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --target=fs --device /dev/md0 grub-probe: error: no such disk. I think it's konking out because /dev/md0 is a software raid-1 device. Anyone ever encounter anything like this before and know the way around it? Cheers, Ian -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
