[SLUG] Looking for SLUGgers in the Surry Hills / East Redfern Area...
Hi, I moved to Sydney not long ago (from Perth - Go PLUG!) and I'm just looking for people in my local area with, shall we say, common interests. So, Is there anyone nearby or do I need to ship myself back to the west coast once a fortnight ? Also, would anyone happen to have a copy of Mandrake 10 Beta 2 (or 1)? It's the only distro that'll boot on my poor little notebook, and - I'm ashamed to say - I've only got dialup Cheers! Sean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Looking for SLUGgers in the Surry Hills / East RedfernArea...
Doug: The Distro is not the problem, it's more the dialup that's holding me back.. I should have corrected myself, the 10.0 Beta series is the first version of Mandrake that will boot. Fedora works as well, but I got used to Mandrake back in the day and I'd prefer to have it back. Sean. On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:03 pm, Sean Cohen wrote: Hi, I moved to Sydney not long ago (from Perth - Go PLUG!) and I'm just looking for people in my local area with, shall we say, common interests. So, Is there anyone nearby or do I need to ship myself back to the west coast once a fortnight ? Also, would anyone happen to have a copy of Mandrake 10 Beta 2 (or 1)? It's the only distro that'll boot on my poor little notebook, and - I'm ashamed to say - I've only got dialup Cheers! Sean. Have you tried Mepis?? There is a new version 2003.10-01, that supports more notebooks (based on Debian) regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Looking for SLUGgers in the Surry Hills / East RedfernArea...
It is said that Sean Cohen wrote: Also, would anyone happen to have a copy of Mandrake 10 Beta 2 (or 1)? It's the only distro that'll boot on my poor little notebook, and - I'm ashamed to say - I've only got dialup I may be able to help you out with that. - Chris Chris: Great! Are you in the area? I could drop round some time in the next few days. I'll even trade it for a copy of Windows ME.. :) Sean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Anyone going to the Installfest....
from the inner east (Surry Hills) this Saturday? I could use a ride (one car, two people. not my lucky day). Shine your shoes? Sean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] imap sync
I use IMAP also. In Mozilla Thunderbird go to Tools - Account Settings - "Your Account" - Offline & Disk Space. Select "Make the messages in my Inbox available when I am working offline". This will download each message in your inbox in full, only once, when it is received. There's also a button "Select folders for offline use" that you can use to select other folders that you wish to do this for also. In my opinion this should be the default behaviour, but I suppose it would go against IMAP standard use. Gottfried Szing wrote: hi slugs i am using mozilla with imap, but the support of imap is not really usable if there is a slow dial up connection. mozilla first downloads the headers, afterwards the message body and when i move the message into a local folder, it downloads the message body again. and this is really boring with large messages and dial up connections. is there a way to sync imap folders with the local mozilla mail folders without restarting mozilla? til now i have used scp to copy the whole inbox to a specific position in the local mail storage folder, but afterwards i had to restart mozilla. any hints are welcome, gottfried -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Copies of MDK 10?
Anyone have a copy of Mandrake 10? I'm in the east (Surry Hills / Redfern) and I'd be happy to drop by and pick it up. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10?
Tell me about it. I'm on dialup, and I've seriously been considering getting broadband. $30/month isn't bad at all, Exetel even gives you unlimited off-peak downloads.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to ask that very question about Mandrake10 yesterday. Then I was thought I might sound a little too eager. :) I will begin to download it to night but the prob is that I'm not in the surry hill district. Anyone have a copy of Mandrake 10? I'm in the east (Surry Hills / Redfern) and I'd be happy to drop by and pick it up. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10?
Michael Fox wrote: Anyone have a copy of Mandrake 10? I'm in the east (Surry Hills / Redfern) and I'd be happy to drop by and pick it up. Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download-CD1.i586.iso Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download-CD2.i586.iso Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download-CD3.i586.iso Actually these look like the better ones.. if you are stuck, as I said will download for you and bring next week, if you wish to travel over to North Sydney. Thanks that looks like it. what's the date on the files? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :)
Michael Fox wrote: Anyone have a copy of Mandrake 10? I'm in the east (Surry Hills / Redfern) and I'd be happy to drop by and pick it up. ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/Mandrake/iso/ 646500352 Jan 7 16:55 MandrakeMove-i586.iso 728651776 Mar 4 13:40 Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download-CD1.i586.iso 728797184 Mar 4 13:41 Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download-CD2.i586.iso 728829952 Mar 4 13:42 Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download-CD3.i586.iso 491 Mar 4 14:50 Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community-Download.md5sums.asc These look better... And pacific is on pipe peering, so these are a free download for anyone with a broadband isp in sydney who is peered with pipenetworks. Yep, that's it. Any chance you could burn a copy?... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :)
Michael Fox wrote: Yep, that's it. Any chance you could burn a copy?... Yes, I am happy to download these starting from tonight when I get home, and then burn them onto 3 discs. I can bring them to work on Monday, I work in North Sydney, so if you want to arrange to come over. Drop us a email over the weekend etc. Just bring 3 blank discs with you and we can do a nice trade. Offer open to anyone else who wishes to obtain these discs. I also download images of other distributions from time to time. If I ever make a slug meeting in the near future, will be happy to bring them along from time to time. Cheers What time do you finish work? I live and work in Zetland, but I could probably get to North Syd by 5.30 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :)
John McQuillen wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 17:12, Michael Fox wrote: Not all ISPs connected to PIPE actually offer free data from the PIPE network. For example Pacific Internet or Internode. :-) this is indeed true, I believe internode recently changed this and pipe data is now free. however, I am on neither isp so can't really be certain how true that is :) Not quite. Internode have recently declared PIPE traffic un-prioritised (as opposed to un-metered) for Flatrate customers only. So, while PIPE traffic will still count towards your 7 day rolling download total (reduced from a 30 day rolling total recently), it will always come down at full speed when other traffic is slowed by Flaterate prioritisation. Btw, I have to say that I'm not really concerned, as my plan (512/128 premium) has just gone down in price from $99.95p/m to $79.95p/m with a download limit increase from 24GB to 32GB, so I'm over the moon! :) As far as I am concerned, 32GB per month is unlimited enough to not have to worry about excess fees... Cheers, John... 32GB? But that's only six DVD's Surely not enough.. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :)
5.30 at central sounds good. Wear a SLUG hat :) Michael F. wrote: I am out of work at 4:50 usually.. And on my way home... Mind you trains being what they are makes things difficult.. I am usually at central station around 5:20-5:30pm.. You could probably meet me at central station in the afternoon :) I am downloading those iso images now too :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Cohen Sent: Friday, 12 March 2004 3:46 PM To: Sydney Linux User Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copies of MDK 10? Found :) Michael Fox wrote: Yep, that's it. Any chance you could burn a copy?... Yes, I am happy to download these starting from tonight when I get home, and then burn them onto 3 discs. I can bring them to work on Monday, I work in North Sydney, so if you want to arrange to come over. Drop us a email over the weekend etc. Just bring 3 blank discs with you and we can do a nice trade. Offer open to anyone else who wishes to obtain these discs. I also download images of other distributions from time to time. If I ever make a slug meeting in the near future, will be happy to bring them along from time to time. Cheers What time do you finish work? I live and work in Zetland, but I could probably get to North Syd by 5.30 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html __ NOD32 1.661 (20040311) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
By far the biggest problem is not Windows as such, but the default settings in Outlook and Outlook Express. I'm always amazed that MS has done such an amazing job of having the media report "A New Computer Virus!" when it's actually "A New Microsoft Outlook Virus!" Sticking with your approach, I'd exxagerate the analogy a little. Tell them that Windows is a Kia, but it's hermetically sealed and is impossible to crack open and fix. Ever. And they only sell one model. Conversely, Linux gives you the choice of a thousand different customised cars, tough as a tank, with a full set of manuals, free access to spare parts for the rest of your life, the dashboard of a batmobile, and they can fly. And they run on air instead of petrol, so those nasty, petrol-borne problems don't even touch you. There are, however, some "air" viruses, but they are few and far between, and only affect some particular tanks, not all of them. And the Windows/Kia leaves the doors unlocked by default, whereas your Linux Tank is surrounded by armed guards by default. On top of all that, you can strip your tank down to a skateboard, or hot it up to a 747. Bill Bennett wrote: It's a peculiar request, so please bear with me. I had been asked why Linux was immune to the wave of viruses that have been pillaging Microsoft-oriented machines. To be honest, I didn't have a ready reply. The best I could do was "Well, Linux is differently organised." Feeble, I know, but the enquirer was not a nurd and, if it comes to that, neither am I. So I thought about the matter. I wanted a good analogy. This was the best that came to mind: "Assume someone has put something in your petrol that rots piston heads and only piston heads. Eventually the engine will fail. *However* it's not going to affect me if my engine is a Wenkel." As I say, the best I could do. Can anyone do better? The issue *must* have surfaced in the past and valid analogies must have been drawn for the non-technical. My reason for wanting this is that, occasionally I'm asked why I will not even look at, or consider going back to MS. Blinding people with technicalia generally gets you nowhere. Bill Bennett. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] A valid analogy.
Ken Foskey wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 19:44, Sean Cohen wrote: Conversely, Linux gives you the choice of a thousand different customised cars, tough as a tank, with a full set of manuals, free access to spare parts for the rest of your life, The number of choices of Linux is a "good thing"? Personally I think that we should be standing behind a few. I am glad that IBM did not roll their own because it would not have helped but confused things further. The spare parts are free but you have to read a manual in Swahili to use them. I think it was ESR that raised this recently about cups configuration. This is an argument I always hear, and I always disagree with. There are so many distributions simply /because/ of the nature of open source. If someone has an idea, they fork a project, or start a new one. The fit survive, and the rest die out. In terms of evolution, there are constantly hundreds of new mutations, but only the fit survive. Witness the success of gentoo, and the stuttered development of (say) sourcerer. It's also how innovation happens, if someone can't get their idea incorporated into an existing project then they can just start their own. If they are successful then they'll either succeed or be reincorporated into something more mainstream. Think back to the gcc vs egcs debacle. Back then it was a big controversy, but in hindsight we can easily see it as a necessary step to push forward a halted project. There will always be a "few big distros" for the masses (suitable for Aunt Tillie, as ESR loves to say) and they will always walk the straight and narrow, stabilising themselves for the long term. But the real innovation - As with Linux itself - will come from the sidelines, and will become mainstream based on their success. The "Big Three/Four/Whatever" distros will make sure everything works together. Also, what ESR failed to note in that analysis of CUPS was that he was setting it up on a Fedora Core 1 system. FC1 - from its RHL roots - has a corporate desktop heritage, and as such is supposed to administrated by qualified personnel. Had he tested a Mandrake, Xandros, Lindows, etc. system then the results would have been quite different. Remember, there are three responsibilities of a distribution: 1) Installation, 2) Default Settings, and 3) Configuration. and it was points (2) and (3) that were relevant to what ESR was trying to do. It wasn't easy on a FC1 system because it's not designed for easy desktop administration. Anyway, rant over. I'm tired. Have a good weekend. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake10
Mandrake 10 - Community is 3 cd's. The edition that was released to
Mandrake Club members was 4 cd's, as it included some extra stuff
(acrobat reader, real player, etc.) that can't be freely redistributed
on the download ("community") edition.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Appologies if this has been address, my webmail won't show me my slug folder :(
I have just found that Mandrake 10 is 4 CDs. So far I have only seen 3CDs on
most Mandrake mirrors. If anyone is downloading Mandrake and has seen the 4th
iso please let me know.
Thanks
Kevin
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