Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Heracles]

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On 05/09/2013 12:37 PM, gr...@zeta.org.au wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013, David Lyon wrote:
> 
>> I've had a similar experience. My Enlightenment (Bodhi Linux) notebook
>> has
>> O/S imploded
>> with two weeks of continuous use.
>>
>> After changing themes, the file manager doesn't display anything
>> (rendering
>> problem?) making
>> copying files from the SD card easily, not easy. Back to shell.
>>
>> Then, git for some reason has stopped being able to 'push'. Which is
>> really
>> frustrating
>> considering that the only 'typing' and web-browsing, are the only
>> function
>> left to me that
>> now work.

I think there must be something strange going on in my case as the older
version works perfectly for me. I have told the upgrade notice not to
bother me again _ I'll stick with the working version until I have time
to compile it from scratch..

> I found the last time I used Enlightenment, many years ago, the best way
> was to compile
> it myself, from source.  Never had problems with it then and was able to
> modify
> the components I found annoying and to optimise it for my particular
> platform.
>SNIP<
> 
> rachel
> 
Thanks Rachel,
I have all of the sources required so I will try compiling them and see
how that works. I want to try DR_17.2.1 as it looks good in the
screenshots I've seen.

Heracles
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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[grove]

On Thu, 9 May 2013, David Lyon wrote:


I've had a similar experience. My Enlightenment (Bodhi Linux) notebook has
O/S imploded
with two weeks of continuous use.

After changing themes, the file manager doesn't display anything (rendering
problem?) making
copying files from the SD card easily, not easy. Back to shell.

Then, git for some reason has stopped being able to 'push'. Which is really
frustrating
considering that the only 'typing' and web-browsing, are the only function
left to me that
now work.


I found the last time I used Enlightenment, many years ago, the best way was to 
compile
it myself, from source.  Never had problems with it then and was able to modify
the components I found annoying and to optimise it for my particular platform.

I even managed to get it to run on Solaris at one point.  I doubt it would work 
that way these days - "portable UNIX" only applies to Linux flavours these days,

not to the OS realm as a whole :/


rachel

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[David Lyon]

I've had a similar experience. My Enlightenment (Bodhi Linux) notebook has
O/S imploded
with two weeks of continuous use.

After changing themes, the file manager doesn't display anything (rendering
problem?) making
copying files from the SD card easily, not easy. Back to shell.

Then, git for some reason has stopped being able to 'push'. Which is really
frustrating
considering that the only 'typing' and web-browsing, are the only function
left to me that
now work.

(Sigh)
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[SLUG] Enlightenment

[Heracles]

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Is anyone on this list familiar with and/or using e17.2.1?
I have been using e16 DR17 for some time and it is very fast and works
quite well. My only problem is that the newer version which is an
upgrade of the recently officially released e17 creates a problem which
can only be resolved by removing it completely.

The problem is that libembryo0_1.7.6 is trying to install over
libembryo1_1.2.0 and is is unable to do so.
All the libraries used by e17 are version 1.7.6 and the libraries on the
system are all 1.2.0.
I have tried going in as root and manually placing the libraries and
their links in place and doing an ldconfig but the system still comes up
with the same error claiming that it needs libembryo.1.7.6 but libembryo
1.2.0 is installed (which seems strange when I have removed all traces
of it!

Any clues would be useful

Thanks
Heracles
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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Kevin Saenz]

Gentoo seems to have a better package system called emerge ;)The only problem is the cvs server seems to be overloaded. So far I have updated half the packages :(
Michael Lake wrote:> E is great. I'm running e16 on Apple PowerBook 15" laptop now via the Debian package.> I tried once to get e17 by compiling the many many e-specific libraries that raster invented.
> Alas it was all too complicated. It may have been easier on an Intel platform.> I'd like e17 to materialise one day in a form that I can install relatively easily on my PB.Err, magic script to pull it out of CVS and build it:
 http://www.rasterman.com/files/get_e.shIt can be a little slow since the CVS server is the one at sf.net.Erik
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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[The Rasterman]

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:09:21 +1100 Erik de Castro Lopo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Kevin Saenz wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org? the site is
> > unreachable.
> 
> Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al
> have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.
> 
> For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net.

and 
http://www.enlightenment.org.au

:)*

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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Michael Lake wrote:

> E is great. I'm running e16 on Apple PowerBook 15" laptop now via the Debian 
> package.
> I tried once to get e17 by compiling the many many e-specific libraries that 
> raster invented. 
> Alas it was all too complicated. It may have been easier on an Intel 
> platform. 
> I'd like e17 to materialise one day in a form that I can install relatively 
> easily on my PB. 

Err, magic script to pull it out of CVS and build it:

 http://www.rasterman.com/files/get_e.sh

It can be a little slow since the CVS server is the one at sf.net.

Erik
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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Dean Hamstead]

i agree whole heartedly

Dean

Kevin Saenz wrote:
All I use is e17, it's very stable, and very quick especially on my HP 
ze4103s with only 1.3Ghz celeron. The work the enlightenment team has 
done is phenominal. To me there is no other WM.



e16 has been stable for years

e17 is slowly getting there, its usable right now. but not that
stable.

if thats what you mean?

Dean

Kevin Saenz wrote:
 > Thanks for that.
 > Now I have to figure out why enlightenment is not getting updated in
 > Gentoo :(
 >
 >
 > This may have been dumped by SLUG's spam filter.
 >
 > Begin forwarded message:
 >
 >  >
 >  > > Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org

 > < http://enlightenment.org>? the site is
 >  > > unreachable.
 >  >
 >  > Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al
 >  > have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.
 >  >
 >  > For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net

 > .
 >
 > and
 > http://www.enlightenment.org.au
 >
 > :)*
 >
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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Kevin Saenz]

All I use is e17, it's very stable, and very quick especially on my HP ze4103s with only 1.3Ghz celeron. The work the enlightenment team has done is phenominal. To me there is no other WM.
e16 has been stable for yearse17 is slowly getting there, its usable right now. but not that
stable.if thats what you mean?DeanKevin Saenz wrote:> Thanks for that.> Now I have to figure out why enlightenment is not getting updated in> Gentoo :(>>> This may have been dumped by SLUG's spam filter.
>> Begin forwarded message:>>  >>  > > Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org> <
http://enlightenment.org>? the site is>  > > unreachable.>  >>  > Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al>  > have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.
>  >>  > For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net> .>
> and> http://www.enlightenment.org.au>> :)*>> --> - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" --
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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Michael Lake]

Dean Hamstead wrote:

e16 has been stable for years
e17 is slowly getting there, its usable right now. but not that
stable.


E is great. I'm running e16 on Apple PowerBook 15" laptop now via the Debian 
package.
I tried once to get e17 by compiling the many many e-specific libraries that raster invented. 
Alas it was all too complicated. It may have been easier on an Intel platform. 
I'd like e17 to materialise one day in a form that I can install relatively easily on my PB. 


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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Dean Hamstead]

e16 has been stable for years

e17 is slowly getting there, its usable right now. but not that
stable.

if thats what you mean?

Dean

Kevin Saenz wrote:

Thanks for that.
Now I have to figure out why enlightenment is not getting updated in 
Gentoo :(



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Begin forwarded message:

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? the site is
 > > unreachable.
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 > Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al
 > have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.
 >
 > For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net
.

and
http://www.enlightenment.org.au

:)*

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Re: Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Kevin Saenz]

Thanks for that.Now I have to figure out why enlightenment is not getting updated in Gentoo :(
This may have been dumped by SLUG's spam filter.Begin forwarded message:>> > Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org? the site is> > unreachable.
>> Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al> have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.>> For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net
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Fw: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

This may have been dumped by SLUG's spam filter.

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:21:55 +0900
From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: slug@slug.org.au
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment


On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:09:21 +1100 Erik de Castro Lopo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Kevin Saenz wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org? the site is
> > unreachable.
> 
> Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al
> have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.
> 
> For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net.

and 
http://www.enlightenment.org.au

:)*

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Kevin Saenz wrote:

> Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org? the site is
> unreachable.

Yeah, the domain name owner has gone AWOL, and Raster et al
have not been able to get the domain signed over to them.

For now you can use enlightenment.sf.net.

Erik
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[SLUG] Enlightenment

[Kevin Saenz]

Does anyone know what has happened to enlightenment.org? the site is unreachable.ThanksKevin
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[SLUG] Enlightenment key bindings

[Michael Lake]

Hi all,

I have been playing around with Enlightenment on a TiPowerBook and a bit
bemused.

I normally edit the keybindings for moving around virtual screens,
raising and lowering windows etc by editing the file
./enlightenment/keybindings.cfg 
Its sections are like this:

__MODIFIER_KEY __ALT
__KEY Up
__EVENT __KEY_PRESS
__ACTION __A_RAISE

so that Alt-upArrow will raise a window. 

If the above file is there its used instead of the default one in 
/usr/share/enlightenment/config/keybindings.cfg 

1st Question: There is also an application for E called e16keyedit that
enables one to use a GUI to edit the key bindings that are used. But I
can't find out what file it actually changes. I suspect it just changes
something in the enlightenment caches and not a permanent file. The help
menu on it is not operational, there is nothing to say what it changes
in /usr/share/doc/e16keyedit/ (just a change logs etc). The users
./enlightenment/keybindings.cfg file is not touched nor is the one under
/usr/share/enlightenment
If i chnage a key binding under e16keyedit it changes the behaviour of
the key immediately but I can even delete all the keybindings in
e16keyedit and they return when you log out then in a again. 
Does anyone know what this thing actually modifies?
 
2nd Question: This all comes about cause on my Mac laptop I have an
apple key (thats the one to the right of the option/alt key) and I want
that to be the modifier key for moving between virtual screens. Question
is how do I use this as the keybindings.cfg file only has macros
representing PC101 keyboards. These macros are like the __ALT above and
are defined in /usr/share/enlightenment/config/definitions as numbers
but they are some number specific to E not scan codes. Somewhere E must
bind a scan code to the macros it uses. What I was looking for was
something like __ALT is 0x38, Ctrl is 0x1d 
I can run "showkey -s" on the mac which tells me the keycode but how to
get enlightenment to use a particular key on a mac keyboard.

Anyone familiar with Enlightenment enough?

Mike

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment Themes

[Craige McWhirter]

On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 11:37, Daniel Harper wrote:
> Anyone out there had any experience writing Enlightenment themes??

Do what I think most people have done, untar a theme, change something,
see what happens. Go to http://mcwhirter.com.au/tongmaster/ and suck
down the Debian-E theme, untar it in .enlightenment/themes and pull it
apart. 

This sort of thing is looking easier under e17 but in it's current state
the knowledge is kept in people's heads. Using a db editor to manage a
window manager is odd at first but you soon get used to it ;) (I just
can't get the funky alpha blending happening on my desktop!).

> Know of any docs or resources?

No though enlightenment.org may have some. Join / trawl
enlightenment-users mailing list? #e?

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment Themes

[Dean Hamstead]

themes.org seems to have merged into one archive
and in the process dropped all its old content


Dean

Daniel Harper wrote:

> I have found that site to be very confusing, and lacking in any worthwhile
> content, except a couple of themes
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2002 1:23 PM
> To: Daniel Harper
> Cc: SLUG
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment Themes
> 
> 
> http://e.themes.org is generally a good place to start.
> You should find both docs and resources there.
> 
> -Dane
> 
> 
> 
> On  0, Daniel Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Anyone out there had any experience writing Enlightenment themes??
>>
>>Know of any docs or resources?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Daniel Harper
>>
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RE: [SLUG] Enlightenment Themes

[Daniel Harper]

I have found that site to be very confusing, and lacking in any worthwhile
content, except a couple of themes

-Original Message-
From: Dane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2002 1:23 PM
To: Daniel Harper
Cc: SLUG
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment Themes


http://e.themes.org is generally a good place to start.
You should find both docs and resources there.

-Dane



On  0, Daniel Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone out there had any experience writing Enlightenment themes??
>
> Know of any docs or resources?
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel Harper
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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment Themes

[Dane]

http://e.themes.org is generally a good place to start.
You should find both docs and resources there.

-Dane



On  0, Daniel Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone out there had any experience writing Enlightenment themes??
> 
> Know of any docs or resources?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel Harper
> 
> UMR Research Australia
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[SLUG] Enlightenment Themes

[Daniel Harper]

Anyone out there had any experience writing Enlightenment themes??

Know of any docs or resources?

Regards,

Daniel Harper

UMR Research Australia
Marketing and Issues Management Consultants

Level 1, Suite 105,
332-342 Oxford Street,
Bondi Junction, New South Wales, 2022.
Australia

Phone: 02 9386 1622
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[SLUG] Enlightenment/EsounD/ALSA/Emu10k1

[Steve Downing]

The other night I tried converting from the kernel sound drivers 
to the ALSA drivers so I could get more features from my SBlive! 
(Abilty to access the rear channels independant of front channels 
to be exact.)
I installed the alsa-base/utils/source/conf .debs as relevant for 
the 0.9-bet10 ALSA release, libesd-alsa0, and libasound1 and 2.

Anyway, esound didn't want to work (my desktop is enlightenment only,
no gnome stuff), it didn't seem to autospawn, but I think I sorted 
that out.
Even so, if I ran it manually, then got into Enlightenment, E dies 
with a segemntation fault, after playing the startup sound.  Trying 
to ignore the fault just causes enlightenment to die.
Other applications which used ALSA seemed to work alright though,
through the ALSA layer, and the OSS emulation layer.
I even tried removing libesd-alsa0, back to plain OSS libesd0 and 
using the OSS emulation layer, but that didn't improve things.

So I thought I'd remove all the ALSA crap, and just go back to the 
kernel driver, but the problem still persists.
I didn't notice anything in logfiles, and I'm yet to try and strace 
on Enlightenment starting, but I thought I throw this one to the 
list to see if it jogged any memories.

Enlightenment 0.16
esound 0.2.23-2
Alsa 0.9+beta10-4

I'd also be interested in hearing from anyone who figured out how 
to use the rear channels of the SBLive!, without them just being 
stereo mirrors of the front channels.  ( i.e /dev/dsp for front, 
/dev/dsp1 for rear ) that kind of thing.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment menu font sizes and an X display manager

[Anand Kumria]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 09:10:20PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> 
> > Gee there is lots of other nice stuff there too - must try the
> > /usr/share/faces bit :-)
> 
> My fave is the background program. xmatrix -root looks very groovy running
> behind gdm (especially on two monitors doing dualhead)!

It is even nicer with the -trace, it'll give you initial phone call trace.

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Re: Jeff owes Jill a beer. was Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment menu font sizes and an X display manager

[Andrew Bennetts]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 06:30:36AM +1000, Michael Lake wrote:
> Its the work coleauge here at UTS, NOT Jill ! I have her using mail on
> Linux but she reboots to use Word/Powerpoint. Still can't convince her
> to try LaTeX.

What about Lyx?  (LaTeX with a GUI).

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[Jeff Waugh]

> (ie NOT Jill)

I think I hit a good raw nerve. That's the... fourth "NOOO!" email so far. ;)

> Gee there is lots of other nice stuff there too - must try the
> /usr/share/faces bit :-)

My fave is the background program. xmatrix -root looks very groovy running
behind gdm (especially on two monitors doing dualhead)!

Schweet. :)

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment menu font sizes and an X display manager

[Michael Lake]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > 2. The old xdm thingo I had was not xdm but a functionally similar program
> > that had a pulldown menu which allowed a user to reboot the machine.
> > Debian came with xdm which I removed and replaced with gdm but it does not
> > have that reboot menu. Does anyone have or know what that other xdm thingy
> > was called?
> 
> gdm usually shows a reboot menu, check /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and make sure
> 'SystemMenu=true' is in the [greeter] section.

Yay thanks Jeff. It's a different app than what I had before but Linda
here (ie NOT Jill) will now be able to reboot the machine correctly.
SystemMenu was = 0. Thanks. 
Gee there is lots of other nice stuff there too - must try the
/usr/share/faces bit :-)

Craig. Thanks for your reply as well.

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[Michael Lake]

Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> > Its so the other user here can reboot back into windows by shutting the
> > system down without being root. I'd rather go back to what she is used to.
 
> What do I hear? Jill's secret revealed? ;)

Ahh Jeff!! What!! :-)
Its the work coleauge here at UTS, NOT Jill ! I have her using mail on
Linux but she reboots to use Word/Powerpoint. Still can't convince her
to try LaTeX.

You owe Jill a beer at the next meeting !

Hahaha.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment menu font sizes and an X display manager

[Jeff Waugh]

> 2. The old xdm thingo I had was not xdm but a functionally similar program
> that had a pulldown menu which allowed a user to reboot the machine.
> Debian came with xdm which I removed and replaced with gdm but it does not
> have that reboot menu. Does anyone have or know what that other xdm thingy
> was called?

gdm usually shows a reboot menu, check /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and make sure
'SystemMenu=true' is in the [greeter] section.

> Its so the other user here can reboot back into windows by shutting the
> system down without being root. I'd rather go back to what she is used to.

What do I hear? Jill's secret revealed? ;)

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment menu font sizes and an X display manager

[Craige McWhirter]

Michael, if no-one gives an answer to this Michael, I'll drop an answer
over the weekend. I'm not sure you can do it systems wide though, I
think it is per theme.

Thus spake Michael Lake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Hi Guys,
> 
> 1. OK now I have my mail going again my enlightenment menus are too
> small. Last year using e0.14 or something I grepped thru the config
> files and found something to change. Can't find whatever that was now. I
> want to make the menu text bigger. You can do this somewhere so that all
> themes have bigger text as its a text class somewhere. Any ideas? I have
> looked thru /usr/share/enlightenment and .enlightenment
> 
> 2. The old xdm thingo I had was not xdm but a functionally similar
> program that had a pulldown menu which allowed a user to reboot the
> machine. Debian came with xdm which I removed and replaced with gdm but
> it does not have that reboot menu. Does anyone have or know what that
> other xdm thingy was called?
> Its so the other user here can reboot back into windows by shutting the
> system down without being root. I'd rather go back to what she is used
> to.
> 
> Mike
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[SLUG] Enlightenment menu font sizes and an X display manager

[Michael Lake]

Hi Guys,

1. OK now I have my mail going again my enlightenment menus are too
small. Last year using e0.14 or something I grepped thru the config
files and found something to change. Can't find whatever that was now. I
want to make the menu text bigger. You can do this somewhere so that all
themes have bigger text as its a text class somewhere. Any ideas? I have
looked thru /usr/share/enlightenment and .enlightenment

2. The old xdm thingo I had was not xdm but a functionally similar
program that had a pulldown menu which allowed a user to reboot the
machine. Debian came with xdm which I removed and replaced with gdm but
it does not have that reboot menu. Does anyone have or know what that
other xdm thingy was called?
Its so the other user here can reboot back into windows by shutting the
system down without being root. I'd rather go back to what she is used
to.

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[SLUG] Enlightenment Font Probs

[Craige McWhirter]

I'm making a theme for E (plaguarising is probably more appropriate) and I've got 
stuck on one point (#E were of no help).I need to change the title bar font. I've 
changed the font everywhere else (menus / help / others) but cant work out where to 
change title bar font.

Any clue sticks out there? Have I missed some doco?

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Matthew Dalton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i dont sue debian.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Matthew Dalton]

Michael Lake wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On 21 Sep, Michael Lake scribbled:
> > ->  Turns out it help pages for Enlightenment. The E menu item "Help"
> > ->  doesn't work with my Debian setup for some reason so I never found the
> > ->  Interestingly the menus in Eterm don't do anything either (E 0.16.3)
> >
> > this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
> > you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
> > habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
> > removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
> > authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
> > separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
> > requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.

I'm using exactly the same Enlightenment version on Debian Potato at
home, and everything works fine, including the help. I don't remember
the help docs being in a seperate package, and I can't see anything in
the debian packages list to suggest that this is the way Debian has
packaged it.

I just installed it with apt-get, and it just worked. I did install it
over 2 months ago (I installed potato during the freeze), but I've run
the obligitory "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" a few times since and
the E packages have never been upgraded, so I must be using the same
version as is in the current stable release.

> In fact I looked for separate documentation on the dist CD's but its not
> included (well not under enlightenment-docs or something sensible). I'll
> visit E's Home and downloan the latest from the Creator :-)

I don't know why the help isn't working, but I'm sure that you do have
it.

Do you get any messages on the console X was started on, when you try
running Help from the menu?

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[raster]

On 22 Sep, Michael Lake scribbled:
->  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
->  > 
->  > On 21 Sep, Michael Lake scribbled:
->  > ->  Turns out it help pages for Enlightenment. The E menu item "Help"
->  > ->  doesn't work with my Debian setup for some reason so I never found the
->  > ->  Interestingly the menus in Eterm don't do anything either (E 0.16.3)
->  > 
->  > this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
->  > you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
->  > habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
->  > removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
->  > authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
->  > separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
->  > requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.
->  
->  In fact I looked for separate documentation on the dist CD's but its not
->  included (well not under enlightenment-docs or something sensible). I'll
->  visit E's Home and downloan the latest from the Creator :-)

it's probably in the -data package - but again - not sure. i dont sue
debian.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Michael Lake]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On 21 Sep, Michael Lake scribbled:
> ->  Turns out it help pages for Enlightenment. The E menu item "Help"
> ->  doesn't work with my Debian setup for some reason so I never found the
> ->  Interestingly the menus in Eterm don't do anything either (E 0.16.3)
> 
> this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
> you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
> habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
> removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
> authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
> separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
> requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.

In fact I looked for separate documentation on the dist CD's but its not
included (well not under enlightenment-docs or something sensible). I'll
visit E's Home and downloan the latest from the Creator :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[raster]

On 22 Sep, Dean Hamstead scribbled:
->  > this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
->  > you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
->  > habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
->  > removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
->  > authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
->  > separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
->  > requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.
->  
->  
->  The price you pay for packaged software.
->  If it bugs you alot, email the package maintainers and ask them to tidy
->  it up. I doubt they are deliberately conspiring to make life hard for
->  you

its debian's packaging policy to package like that i believe (ie split
the package up). not sure what its missing - but something is. anyway -
we did discuss it once i believe. not really a concern of mine these
days :)

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Dean Hamstead]

> this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
> you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
> habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
> removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
> authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
> separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
> requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.


The price you pay for packaged software.
If it bugs you alot, email the package maintainers and ask them to tidy
it up. I doubt they are deliberately conspiring to make life hard for
you

Speaking of email, Thanks for writing E Rasterman. Makes my home machine
so much more homely =)

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Thom May]

Hmm. My install of E on Debian - woody that is - has a full set
of dox - it's part of the enlightenment-data package, which is
platform independent and required by E. 
And which menus in Eterm? Again, everything works quite happily
here, and that's even before using the cvs builds.
cheers
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spaketh thusly:
> On 21 Sep, Michael Lake scribbled:
> ->  Mehmet Yousouf wrote:
> ->  > There is a keybindings.cfg file in /usr/share/enlightenment/config with
> ->  > mandrake (enlightenment ver 0.16.3-11)  --guess it could be /usr/local for Deb
> ->  > -- this I gather has default bindings. I think if  you copy it to your home
> ->  > directory it overrides the default one so, copy to your home directory and then
> ->  > modify??
> ->  
> ->  Yep thanks Mehet. I just found it this morning and was going to post
> ->  here that prob is solved. Its in the same pace as Mandrake. Copied it to
> ->  my .enlightenment, edited it and now fine.
> ->  
> ->  Actaully came across it accidently by readign the man pages for
> ->  x-window-manager. I didn't know what this was in /usr/bin and manned it.
> ->  Turns out it help pages for Enlightenment. The E menu item "Help"
> ->  doesn't work with my Debian setup for some reason so I never found the
> ->  help until now. 
> ->  Interestingly the menus in Eterm don't do anything either (E 0.16.3)
> 
> 
> this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
> you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
> habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
> removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
> authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
> separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
> requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[raster]

On 21 Sep, Michael Lake scribbled:
->  Mehmet Yousouf wrote:
->  > There is a keybindings.cfg file in /usr/share/enlightenment/config with
->  > mandrake (enlightenment ver 0.16.3-11)  --guess it could be /usr/local for Deb
->  > -- this I gather has default bindings. I think if  you copy it to your home
->  > directory it overrides the default one so, copy to your home directory and then
->  > modify??
->  
->  Yep thanks Mehet. I just found it this morning and was going to post
->  here that prob is solved. Its in the same pace as Mandrake. Copied it to
->  my .enlightenment, edited it and now fine.
->  
->  Actaully came across it accidently by readign the man pages for
->  x-window-manager. I didn't know what this was in /usr/bin and manned it.
->  Turns out it help pages for Enlightenment. The E menu item "Help"
->  doesn't work with my Debian setup for some reason so I never found the
->  help until now. 
->  Interestingly the menus in Eterm don't do anything either (E 0.16.3)


this would be the result of bad packaging. the help entry works when
you get E from us. Rememebr distributions - nearly all, have a bad
habit of taking e and "destryoing it" - reducing functionality,
removing bits and resulting in it not working as intended by the
authors. in the case of debian i think they made the help docs a
separate package that does not get installed with enlightenment as a
requires - it's optional - and IMHO that is just plain wrong.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Michael Lake]

Matthew Dalton wrote:
> The keyboard shortcuts are listed in the enlightement 'dox', which can
> be accessed from one of the desktop mouse-click menus.

Um. I have the dox executable but its probably not working from the menu
as it can't find any main pages. I'll have to look into that. 
 
> To change to the left/right desktop, press ALT-Shift-LArrow /
> ALT-Shift-RArrow. Different screens are accessed with Alt-F1/F2 etc.
Yep. fixed through the config file keybindings.cfg.

At least now I have learnt how to setup m keys via the text file instead
of the GUI :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Michael Lake]

Mehmet Yousouf wrote:
> There is a keybindings.cfg file in /usr/share/enlightenment/config with
> mandrake (enlightenment ver 0.16.3-11)  --guess it could be /usr/local for Deb
> -- this I gather has default bindings. I think if  you copy it to your home
> directory it overrides the default one so, copy to your home directory and then
> modify??

Yep thanks Mehet. I just found it this morning and was going to post
here that prob is solved. Its in the same pace as Mandrake. Copied it to
my .enlightenment, edited it and now fine.

Actaully came across it accidently by readign the man pages for
x-window-manager. I didn't know what this was in /usr/bin and manned it.
Turns out it help pages for Enlightenment. The E menu item "Help"
doesn't work with my Debian setup for some reason so I never found the
help until now. 
Interestingly the menus in Eterm don't do anything either (E 0.16.3)

Mike
>  > Yes I like it oo but after upgrading to Debian I can't find how to
> > setup my keys to do things like Alt-Rarrow = Next Desktop, Ctrl-Rarrow =
> >Screen on right etc.
>  >There was a GUI tool for this in, I think, the Econfig tool but that
> > legacy tool is no longer with the new E 0.16. There does not seem to be
>  > a way to config keys under Gnome either - though I don't use Gnome much.
>  >
> > I grepped the entire .enlightenment dir as well for key*anything* but
> > couldn't find a text file that refers to keyboard shorcuts.
> >
> > Mike
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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Matthew Dalton]

Michael Lake wrote:
> Yes I like it too but after upgrading to Debian I can't find how to
> setup my keys to do things like Alt-Rarrow = Next Desktop, Ctrl-Rarrow =
> Screen on right etc.
> There was a GUI tool for this in, I think, the Econfig tool but that
> legacy tool is no longer with the new E 0.16. There does not seem to be
> a way to config keys under Gnome either - though I don't use Gnome much.
> 
> I grepped the entire .enlightenment dir as well for key*anything* but
> couldn't find a text file that refers to keyboard shorcuts.

The keyboard shortcuts are listed in the enlightement 'dox', which can
be accessed from one of the desktop mouse-click menus.

To change to the left/right desktop, press ALT-Shift-LArrow /
ALT-Shift-RArrow. Different screens are accessed with Alt-F1/F2 etc.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Mehmet Yousouf]

There is a keybindings.cfg file in /usr/share/enlightenment/config with
mandrake (enlightenment ver 0.16.3-11)  --guess it could be /usr/local for Deb
-- this I gather has default bindings. I think if  you copy it to your home
directory it overrides the default one so, copy to your home directory and then
modify??

Regards, Mehmet

 > Yes I like it oo but after upgrading to Debian I can't find how to 
> setup my keys to do things like Alt-Rarrow = Next Desktop, Ctrl-Rarrow = 
>Screen on right etc. 
 >There was a GUI tool for this in, I think, the Econfig tool but that 
> legacy tool is no longer with the new E 0.16. There does not seem to be
 > a way to config keys under Gnome either - though I don't use Gnome much. 
 > 
> I grepped the entire .enlightenment dir as well for key*anything* but
> couldn't find a text file that refers to keyboard shorcuts.
> 
> Mike


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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Michael Lake]

Thom May wrote:
> Just got me the (highly unstable) debs for the cvs versions of E
> and EFM. Holy cow!
> EFM knocks, IMO, GMC/Nautilus(for the moment, anyways - we shall
> see what the future brings ;) ) into a very very ickle cocked hat,
> especially with the funky properly transparent menus, scroll bars etc.
> And E is getting very very fast - I've been using it for about
> two years now, and this is the best it's *ever* been, i think.
> I know raster lurks on here, so to him: keeping up the
> absolutely amazing work - looking forward hugely to E .17 :-)

Yes I like it too but after upgrading to Debian I can't find how to
setup my keys to do things like Alt-Rarrow = Next Desktop, Ctrl-Rarrow =
Screen on right etc.
There was a GUI tool for this in, I think, the Econfig tool but that
legacy tool is no longer with the new E 0.16. There does not seem to be
a way to config keys under Gnome either - though I don't use Gnome much. 

I grepped the entire .enlightenment dir as well for key*anything* but
couldn't find a text file that refers to keyboard shorcuts.

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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[Jeff Waugh]

> Thom May wrote:
> 
> Just got me the (highly unstable) debs for the cvs versions of E
> and EFM. Holy cow!


Thanks Thom, I've been looking for these for a while. I've been watching the
screenshots on mandrake's site ever since I saw the imlib2 preview shots on
raster's site.


Raster, in the words of Rik Mayall:

  You utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter-- [and that's
  where the record ends, but we all know what he's going to say... BASTARD!]

efm is beautiful.

I've been futzing around with it for the last couple of hours, and I'm
stunned. The keyboard/wimp combination is brilliant. Maybe I should take
this off-list. ;)


Can't wait to see what you've got for us at linux.conf.au

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Enlightenment

[raster]

On 19 Sep, Thom May scribbled:
->  Just got me the (highly unstable) debs for the cvs versions of E
->  and EFM. Holy cow!
->  EFM knocks, IMO, GMC/Nautilus(for the moment, anyways - we shall
->  see what the future brings ;) ) into a very very ickle cocked hat,
->  especially with the funky properly transparent menus, scroll bars etc. 
->  And E is getting very very fast - I've been using it for about
->  two years now, and this is the best it's *ever* been, i think.
->  I know raster lurks on here, so to him: keeping up the
->  absolutely amazing work - looking forward hugely to E .17 :-)

efm was a nice experiment - and i've now figured what i need to do the
subsystems it depends on that are currentl;y internal to efm are being
written properly - evas is a result of this and with it you get the
ability to have. hardware acceleration for the alpha blending,
scaling, etc. thats already working. for those withotu opengl support
in hardware it doesnt change much but makes the api for me to program
centralised and easy, but for those with the accelerated support- which
with every day that passes is a growing group, it means silky smooth
rendering and acceleration for the funkiest of displays :)

efm as it stands right now is definitely not stabel and is a little bit
of a mess... that's being cleaned up with the new subsystems (edb is
dont, evas is most of the way there, ebits is partly there as etcher is
a gui theme editor for it all).

->  It is still unstable, but well worth a look.
->  cheers
->  thom

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[SLUG] Enlightenment

[Thom May]

Just got me the (highly unstable) debs for the cvs versions of E
and EFM. Holy cow!
EFM knocks, IMO, GMC/Nautilus(for the moment, anyways - we shall
see what the future brings ;) ) into a very very ickle cocked hat,
especially with the funky properly transparent menus, scroll bars etc. 
And E is getting very very fast - I've been using it for about
two years now, and this is the best it's *ever* been, i think.
I know raster lurks on here, so to him: keeping up the
absolutely amazing work - looking forward hugely to E .17 :-)

It is still unstable, but well worth a look.
cheers
thom
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sources.list, relevant bits thereof:
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads enlightenment-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads efm-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads econfig-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads eterm-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads ee2-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads imlib2-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads epplets-cvs/
deb http://www.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads feh-cvs/

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