[SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]

2004-03-13 Thread Jeff Waugh


> > Controversially, it's based on Mono. Hmm. :-)
> 
> I was reading an article the other day (from somewhere on the OnLamp site)
> that implied pretty strongly that Mono / C# would be the preferred
> development platform for Gnome 3.0. Is that correct?

Though Edd (Dumbill, the author) is certainly a GNOME developer, he nor
anyone else in The GNOME Project knows what "3.0" will be at all. There are
no plans whatsoever at this stage - the only thing we have general agreement
on is that 3.0 will mark the API/ABI compatibility break point, which will
probably just mean that we fully remove everything we deprecated during the
2.x releases. :-)

Beyond the current crop off applications built on Mono, I don't know what
its future will hold in GNOME. At some stage, we will definitely want to
start using managed code (Python, Java, Mono, whatever) in GNOME "official"
software releases...

Well, if nothing else is certain, I know for sure that there be a lot of
debate. :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]

2004-03-14 Thread Dave Kempe
Jeff Waugh wrote:
At some stage, we will definitely want to
start using managed code (Python, Java, Mono, whatever) in GNOME "official"
software releases...
sorry I haven't heard that term before... what is 'managed code' and 
what can it do for me?

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Re: [SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]

2004-03-14 Thread Jeff Waugh


> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > At some stage, we will definitely want to start using managed code
> > (Python, Java, Mono, whatever) in GNOME "official" software releases...
> 
> sorry I haven't heard that term before... what is 'managed code' and what
> can it do for me?

"Managed code" is a .NET buzzwordlet that has seeped into commonish language
lingo. It basically means code executed in a virtual machine environment,
interpreted, or (all the more often these days) somewhere in between. So, it
encompasses Java, Mono and Microsoft's CLR, Python, Perl, Parrot, etc.

It buys you everything that the higher-than-C-level-langauges you know from
the *nix world usually would (or arguably more, if you're coming from the MS
defined perspective).

  http://www.google.com.au/search?q=define:Managed+code

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Re: [SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]

2004-03-14 Thread Slug
Sounds like MS marketing speak for a VM (virtual machine).

Type it into google, click I'm feeling lucky and guess where you go.



Stu

On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 08:08, Dave Kempe wrote:
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > At some stage, we will definitely want to
> > start using managed code (Python, Java, Mono, whatever) in GNOME "official"
> > software releases...
> 
> sorry I haven't heard that term before... what is 'managed code' and 
> what can it do for me?
> 
> dave

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Re: [SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]

2004-03-14 Thread Michael Still
Dave Kempe wrote:
Jeff Waugh wrote:

At some stage, we will definitely want to
start using managed code (Python, Java, Mono, whatever) in GNOME 
"official"
software releases...
sorry I haven't heard that term before... what is 'managed code' and 
what can it do for me?
"Managed code" is the Microsoft .NET term for code which runs in the 
.NET virtual machine. It's managed in the sense that you can't do your 
own memory allocation / deallocation (it's garbage collected), and you 
have a fairly configurable security framework imposed upon you.

Microsoft seems to have a penchant for making up new terminology as 
frequently as possible. Another example is "Service Orientated 
Architecute", which means that your application uses Web Services, which 
means it uses some form of XML RPC.

Cheers,
Mikal
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Re: [SLUG] Mono and GNOME [Was: New Money-Management Software Option]

2004-03-14 Thread Jeff Waugh


> Microsoft seems to have a penchant for making up new terminology as
> frequently as possible. Another example is "Service Orientated
> Architecute", which means that your application uses Web Services, which
> means it uses some form of XML RPC.

I like "remoting". :-)

- Jeff

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