Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

2004-07-15 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004, Bill Bennett wrote:
 Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't there?

We had one in Sydney in 2002-2003, but I haven't organised any meetings
since then.

http://pig.slug.org.au/

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

2004-07-15 Thread Mary Gardiner
Did you mean to set your reply-to to slug@

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004, Bill Bennett wrote:
 Well, I live in Armidale.
 
 I'll be happy if I can simply ask someone about anything that comes
 up.

I don't know of any groups local to you.

Within Australia, there's a python-au list:
http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/python-au but they've tended
to discourage discussion of Python that doesn't somehow relate to
Python-in-Australasia, which means they're basically limited to
announcements of user-group meetings and the like.

I don't know of any Python (or programming in general) groups in
Australia that have a general purpose ask some stuff list. SLUG would
be able to help.

Internationally, comp.lang.python is meant to be OK, although it's high
traffic (looks like it's in the hundred or so mails per day range).
It's mirrored to a mailing list:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list , you could get it
through your mail reader, news reader, Google Groups, or the archives.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

2004-07-15 Thread Andrew Bennetts
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 03:54:23PM +1000, Bill Bennett wrote:
 I want to teach myself Python. Can anyone recommend a
 good textbook, please?

I've heard good things about O'Reilly's _Learning Python_.  There are some
very positive reviews on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596002815/103-2312080-4367835?v=glance
And a sample chapter on the O'Reilly site:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython2/

For a different angle on learning Python and its idioms, the _Python
Cookbook_ is pretty good.  It has extensive discussion at the start of each
chapter and also for every recipe, you could learn a lot about Python,
although maybe at the risk of missing some basics.  Anyway, Amazon reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596001673/103-2312080-4367835?v=glance
O'Reilly page, with sample chapter:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythoncook/

There are lots of good resources on the web, though:
- Python.org's Tutorial: 
  http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
- Dive Into Python:
  http://diveintopython.org/
  (online version at http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html)
- How to Think Like a Computer Scientist
  http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/

I'd strongly recommend trying these web tutorials first -- you'll probably
find they're good enough that you won't need to spend money on a book.

Regardless of what you learn from, you'll almost certainly need to regularly
refer to the Python Library Reference:
http://docs.python.org/lib/lib.html
Although I read it at file:///usr/share/doc/python/html/lib/index.html,
thanks to Debian's python-doc package.

 Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't
 there?

There was, although it hasn't been active for a long time.  The meetings
were organised by Mary Gardiner, and no-one took over that work when she
started Honours.  The talks should still be available on
http://pig.slug.org.au/.

-Andrew.

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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

2004-07-15 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:03, Mary Gardiner wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 15, 2004, Bill Bennett wrote:
  Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't there?
 
 We had one in Sydney in 2002-2003, but I haven't organised any meetings
 since then.

As long as there is beer, I'm happy to attend some meetings :).

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Re: [SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

2004-07-15 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004, Robert Collins wrote:
 As long as there is beer, I'm happy to attend some meetings :).

I found organising a talk each month a bit much work for relatively
little payoff (only 4 or so attendees on average) so I'm not interested
in organising it solo again.

There's still talk of hacksig on and off, I still intend to (help) get
that off the ground sometime soon. (However, I won't be in Australia for
much of the rest of the year...)

-Mary
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[SLUG] Python recommendations, please.

2004-07-14 Thread Bill Bennett
I want to teach myself Python. Can anyone recommend a
good textbook, please?

The last book I used to teach myself a language was
ideal. It had for every chapter:---

a) an introduction to the topic
b) some history
c) examples of what was being introduced
d) problems, problems, problems.
e) answers to some problems considered particularly low

I know this sounds like *every* textbook. But people who
think that haven't read Grokking the Gimp.

Also, there's a Python interest group somewhere, isn't
there?

Regards,

Bill Bennett.


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