Re: [SLUG] Re: How do I automount CF card when PCMCIA adapter inserted?

2006-08-08 Thread jam
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 14:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing:
   Would someone please point me in the right direction?
 
  If you're fairly desktop-agnostic, you can try reverting to Kubuntu. I

 Last time I used KDE I wasn't too keen on it, but it was a long time
 ago.

  find KDE does a marvellous job at auto-mounting removable media. When I
  stick a removable disk in (either usb or pcmcia), it pops up asking me
  what to do (and i can set it to remember my choice).

 GNOME does the right thing with USB drives, CDs and DVDs.  It's only
 PCMCIA that's not working.

I'm not suggesting 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' but over and over 
everywhere you look kde is more polished than gnome ...

Recently I asked this list howto avoid screensaver lock when closing the lid 
on my laptop (ubuntu/gnome)
Martin answered about using gconf-edit. Someone else answered about 
xscreensaver settings (oops why 2 answers).
Turns out neither is totally right and neither is totally wrong!

Using either you cant set lock AND DPMS timeouts. They interact and do not 
work together (.xscreensaverec settings)

KDE does it in the intuitively 'right place' and it works.

Another EG I setup (by accident) the logout button to LOGOUT not give the 
Reboot / Shutdown / Logout options. Many tries at google, many hours trying 
every option known to man! Ah Ha there it is under Sessions!

Again its intuitive on KDE. When I've said this before I've been accused of 
windows idiom and baby duck. The amusing sidebar is I've used a CLI for 30 
years (sic) and I've never used windows, not for a single day, not ever!
And still I use gnome? (2/5 desktops) Yes it's faster, got promise ...
H
James
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Re: [SLUG] Re: How do I automount CF card when PCMCIA adapter inserted?

2006-08-08 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm not suggesting 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' but over and
 over everywhere you look kde is more polished than gnome ...

I don't think everywhere is true at all, but particular examples are good,
because the offer the opportunity of explanation.

 Recently I asked this list howto avoid screensaver lock when closing the
 lid on my laptop (ubuntu/gnome) Martin answered about using gconf-edit.
 Someone else answered about xscreensaver settings (oops why 2 answers).
 Turns out neither is totally right and neither is totally wrong!

Until 2.12, GNOME deferred to xscreensaver for config and integration. So
we'd run xscreensaver as the daemon, and xscreensaver-demo for the config
tool. Unfortunately, xscreensaver and its maintainer were never fully
invested in modernising the Linux desktop in integration terms - i18n and
a11y have always been big issues with xscreensaver, and it turns out that
screensaver stuff really needs to be fairly tightly integrated with power
management policy and so on. So for 2.14, GNOME shipped gnome-screensaver
(which operates much like KDE's fork of xscreensaver that they did ages
ago). The distros shipped gnome-power-manager, which was not included with
GNOME 2.14 due to integration issues. g-p-m is the policy daemon that
interacts with HAL (another project spearheaded by GNOME developers, which
has resulted in all the funky device autoconfiguration through the desktop
projects). Thus, there was a synchronisation issue with the integration of
these components, because distros decided to forge ahead with g-p-m. Often
this kind of trail-blazing is good (it's one reason why HAL works so well),
but in this case the results were less than stellar.

 KDE does it in the intuitively 'right place' and it works.

Depends which distro you run, and the choices they've made about power
management and screensavers. :-)

 Another EG I setup (by accident) the logout button to LOGOUT not give the
 Reboot / Shutdown / Logout options. Many tries at google, many hours
 trying every option known to man! Ah Ha there it is under Sessions!

This is another distribution / desktop desynchronisation issue. The logout
dialogues in GNOME 2.14 and Ubuntu 6.06 LTS are substantially different, as
Ubuntu decided to do something completely different on their own, so had
limited resources for integrating their changes in a really polished way. I
can't express how frustrating it is when suboptimal distro choices impact
appreciation of GNOME, but that's how it works.

(Additionally, the organic growth of the GNOME control-center module over
the last five years has not been kind to its structural sanity - we'll get
to that though. At least we don't have to have a search interface for the
preferences GUI though.)

- Jeff

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[SLUG] Re: How do I automount CF card when PCMCIA adapter inserted?

2006-08-07 Thread Ben Buxton
John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing:
 Hi all,
 
 I have a new (HP) laptop with Ubuntu 6.06.  Most things just work :-)
 
 I also have a PCMCIA compact flash adapter which works, except that I
 have to mount the drive manually after inserting it.  I'd like to have
 it automount but having never played with PCMCIA on Linux I don't know
 what to do to make it happen.
 
 Would someone please point me in the right direction?

If you're fairly desktop-agnostic, you can try reverting to Kubuntu. I
find KDE does a marvellous job at auto-mounting removable media. When I
stick a removable disk in (either usb or pcmcia), it pops up asking me
what to do (and i can set it to remember my choice).

Also on an HP laptop.

BB

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Re: [SLUG] Re: How do I automount CF card when PCMCIA adapter inserted?

2006-08-07 Thread John Clarke
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:49 +0200, Ben Buxton wrote:
 John Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing:
  
  Would someone please point me in the right direction?
 
 If you're fairly desktop-agnostic, you can try reverting to Kubuntu. I

Last time I used KDE I wasn't too keen on it, but it was a long time
ago.

 find KDE does a marvellous job at auto-mounting removable media. When I
 stick a removable disk in (either usb or pcmcia), it pops up asking me
 what to do (and i can set it to remember my choice).

GNOME does the right thing with USB drives, CDs and DVDs.  It's only
PCMCIA that's not working.

 Also on an HP laptop.

This is a new Pavillion dv5230tx.  I also have access to a couple of
Dells so I might try it on those too.


Thanks,

John
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Re: [SLUG] Re: How do I automount CF card when PCMCIA adapter inserted?

2006-08-07 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=John Clarke

 GNOME does the right thing with USB drives, CDs and DVDs.  It's only
 PCMCIA that's not working.

(It's all the same infrastructure anyway, just the policy bits on top that
are different.)

- Jeff

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