Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020
Quoting Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Australian Government officials have been on the foreign take for a long time If you have real concrete evidence of this corruption why are you emailing the SLUG mailing list instead of contacting ICAC (Independant Commisson Against Corruption) or our somewhat flawed but still free press. If you have real info, any politician indulging in corruption *will* be investigated by ICAC and/or the press. lol - maybe i will and we wonder why our software industry is stuck in first gear. Never attribute to malice or corruption that which can more than adequately explained by stupidity and incompetence. In addition, this later explaination also works well for the majority of the business leaders of this country who even in 2008 still have little interest in or knowledge of IT. Well maybe you could run some training courses and help to set them straight maybe i might like to come along also.. take care David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When people see the corruption they tend to leave the > country... > Offshore companies will make > the payments to your bank account anywhere you would like it > in the world > Australian Government officials have been on the foreign take > for a long time If you have real concrete evidence of this corruption why are you emailing the SLUG mailing list instead of contacting ICAC (Independant Commisson Against Corruption) or our somewhat flawed but still free press. If you have real info, any politician indulging in corruption *will* be investigated by ICAC and/or the press. If you don't have any real evidence, your accusations are worth less than the electrons used to transmit them. > and we wonder why our software industry is stuck in first gear. Never attribute to malice or corruption that which can more than adequately explained by stupidity and incompetence. In addition, this later explaination also works well for the majority of the business leaders of this country who even in 2008 still have little interest in or knowledge of IT. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - "I run Linux on pretty much everything except the microwave and washing machine. Those are tempting targets but would probably make Telsa extremely cross." -- Alan Cox -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the Federal Government and State Government, there has been millions of dollars "promised" but then leak away. This will keep on continuing... [off topic] It is worthwhile to note that when many of the promised funding plans (in all sectors, but esp. social welfare) were followed up over the past ten years, no funds were actually dispersed. It is one thing to promise to fund. It is quite another to actually see the funding occur. cheers rickw -- Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services || Internet Driving Instructor The purpose of censorware is not to Protect The Children, but to get some people elected and keep other people employed. -- Daniel Rutter -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020
Quoting David Guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input to 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)? lol... 2020 is a long way away. I mean come on we have a brain drain going on here Australia is known around the world as a place to find skilled workers. In return, Australia works to lure skilled workers back to replace the ones that are leaving. If you see inside many of our Government Departments, typically the open source projects they support are foreign ones. There are exceptions, which count for about 1%. Under the Federal Government and State Government, there has been millions of dollars "promised" but then leak away. This will keep on continuing... When people see the corruption they tend to leave the country... By contrast, India to it's credit... with "more" corruption has a wonderful software industry... while ours languishes. Things will remain much the same till 2020, except the offshore accounts of our politicians will continue to grow. I was listening to an ex-official in Canberra just this weekend describe it as an "Open Market". Offshore companies will make the payments to your bank account anywhere you would like it in the world This is not new of course Australian Government officials have been on the foreign take for a long time and it is not going to change by 2020... and we wonder why our software industry is stuck in first gear.. Whilst this is true... the solution for us all is to act more globally ourselves... but when we do of course... work to grow equity... that is have more "ownership" of projects and attract foreign workers to work on projects that benefit us. Instead of simply sending young australians to work offshore on other nations projects. This is something that I really hope to see happen by 2020 David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Seeing 2020
> Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input to > 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)? Various FLOSS-friendly folks have nominated to participate at the event, and many more are writing submissions to be considered at the discussion. I hope we see submissions from OSIA and LA (and possibly SLUG?), but otherwise it's up to individuals to put their ideas out there. If you're up for it, write a submission! :-) [Just don't say, "Open Source will save Australia billions of dollars"! :-)] - Jeff -- OSCON 2008: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ "The two [separate] UIs are both incredibly simple and don't even look like computer programs; they barely need menus. [When combined, they] suddenly look like software." - Havoc Pennington on 'software' design -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Seeing 2020
Does slug have a view on what, if any, should be the open source input to 2020 (http://www.australia2020.gov.au/topics/infrastructure.cfm)? There's was a brief article in the popular economic press (http://business.smh.com.au/lateral-thinking-should-be-given-some-latitude/20080222-1u1r.html) suggesting the wider adoption of open source technologies should be considered. David -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
