Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
Me too.. worrying new trend in Linux - wreck the old reliable user interface that folks have rusted onto, without asking them their opinion, force them to adapt to better interfaces with superior funtionality, usability etc... the old interface is rumoured to still be possible, but nobody has managed to do it... this happens with commercial software for financial reasons which should not apply to opensource. Rod On 10/20/11 16:55, elliott-brennan wrote: Ken Foskey Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100 Wrote to Jeremy Visser Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in presenting that is? We could do a remote presentation if you can't make it to the meeting itself. Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
On 20/10/11 19:10, Rod Butcher wrote: Me too.. worrying new trend in Linux - wreck the old reliable user interface that folks have rusted onto, without asking them their opinion, force them to adapt to better interfaces with superior funtionality, usability etc... the old interface is rumoured to still be possible, but nobody has managed to do it... this happens with commercial software for financial reasons which should not apply to opensource. Rod The same can be said of gnome_shell and with more justification I'd say I find unity and unity-2d over all very good but I add a panel with a taskbar what worries me is the trend towards apple idea's, I know people rave about apples ui but I thing it totally sux, of the two though unity beats gnome_shell hands down in my opinion, and I cannot stand the attitude of the gnome devs like our way we know best, fascist you know what's On 10/20/11 16:55, elliott-brennan wrote: Ken Foskey Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100 Wrote to Jeremy Visser Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in presenting that is? We could do a remote presentation if you can't make it to the meeting itself. Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
On 20 October 2011 19:10, Rod Butcher rbutc...@hyenainternet.com wrote: Me too.. worrying new trend in Linux - wreck the old reliable user interface that folks have rusted onto, without asking them their opinion, force them to adapt to better interfaces with superior funtionality, usability etc... the old interface is rumoured to still be possible, but nobody has managed to do it... this happens with commercial software for financial reasons which should not apply to opensource. Good heavens, anyone would think Microsoft had taken over Linux development! DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Thus spake James Linder: I just tried all the gnome options but was unable to get right-click the panel (task bar) to offer the usual Add-Widgets etc. That’s because the feature has been removed. GNOME Panel is but a shadow of its former self. Those suggesting that you use GNOME Classic are either idiots and don’t think you need such functionality, or haven’t bothered using it for more than about 5 minutes to find out that it’s watered down so. To be fair, I don’t think that the GNOME team actually intended for anybody to use Classic on a daily basis. Rather, I get the impression that it is only useful as a recovery environment if compositing isn’t working. You should either use the full GNOME 3 including GNOME Shell, or continue to use GNOME 2 until you feel you’re ready. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
I'm very happy with Mint. And you can get Mint Debian now if you want to shake the dust of Ubuntu off for ever. AND it's green. But I gather the new Kubuntu is pretty good too. Jon. On 19/10/11 14:37, gonzo01 wrote: Just use Linux Mint 11 -- http://www.webindexing.biz -- http://learnubuntu.com.au Indexing * Proofreading * Software consultancy and training * Linux -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. Ken Jeremy said... That’s because the feature has been removed. GNOME Panel is but a shadow of its former self. Those suggesting that you use GNOME Classic are either idiots and don’t think you need such functionality, or haven’t bothered using it for more than about 5 minutes to find out that it’s watered down so. To be fair, I don’t think that the GNOME team actually intended for anybody to use Classic on a daily basis. Rather, I get the impression that it is only useful as a recovery environment if compositing isn’t working. You should either use the full GNOME 3 including GNOME Shell, or continue to use GNOME 2 until you feel you’re ready. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)
Ken Foskey Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100 Wrote to Jeremy Visser Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as a talk. This new interface certainly needs a sales pitch for me. I switched without problems from KDE to Gnome, Windows XP to Windows 7 so why do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'. A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in presenting that is? We could do a remote presentation if you can't make it to the meeting itself. Regards, Patrick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On 18 October 2011 16:36, Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I don't mind Unity but I DO mind that (as it appears from the 2 minutes I had to look at it) NetworkManager fails to find dbus and takes the network down with it, so now there is no network until I find time to figure this out... --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On 18/10/11 16:36, Heracles wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles I love unity both 3d 2d I have it on all my machines it rocks, but I do run perlpanel with it I still want a taskbar etc :-P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. apt-get install gnome It has been demoted to universe. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. I've been thinking of returning to debian. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 16:36 +1100, Heracles wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles Took me a while. Click on you user name. A gear will appear near your name, you can then select classic Gnome from the start up. Personally I have moved to XUbuntu and xfce. Seems to work OK for me so far. I did this by installing xubuntu and then using the gear wheel to select xfce. Thanks Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Henare Degan henare.de...@gmail.com wrote: In all seriousness it's been OK fighting^Wusing it today but that's because I'm not using advanced features like two whole monitors. Since it took Linux about 10 years to get multi-monitor working last time I'm guessing it'll be another 10 until Unity sorts that out too. My colleague had a new install of 11.04 for about two weeks and upgraded to 11.10 yesterday, on new T-Series Lenovo laptop. Multiple monitors seem to just work. -- Simon Males -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
I wish it was green. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On 18/10/2011, at 8:32 PM, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles Took me a while. Click on you user name. A gear will appear near your name, you can then select classic Gnome from the start up. Personally I have moved to XUbuntu and xfce. Seems to work OK for me so far. I did this by installing xubuntu and then using the gear wheel to select xfce. If you installed without fiddling, then you need apt-get install gnome before Ken's 'just click' will work. I just tried all the gnome options but was unable to get right-click the panel (task bar) to offer the usual Add-Widgets etc. I will spelunk, does xfce off weather and cpu-freq aplets? But ... it seems to me that Heracles' advice is ummm sound! James-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 23:32, Simon Males s...@sime.net.au wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Henare Degan henare.de...@gmail.com wrote: In all seriousness it's been OK fighting^Wusing it today but that's because I'm not using advanced features like two whole monitors. Since it took Linux about 10 years to get multi-monitor working last time I'm guessing it'll be another 10 until Unity sorts that out too. My colleague had a new install of 11.04 for about two weeks and upgraded to 11.10 yesterday, on new T-Series Lenovo laptop. Multiple monitors seem to just work. I'm on a T-series ThinkPad too and there were simple things that just flat out didn't work after the upgrade e.g. I couldn't maximise a window, it'd just vertical maximise to one side of the screen. However, this morning things are looking really good with my multiple monitor setup and working how I would expect - I think I know why. Before the upgrade (and for some time) I've had a few bits of custom Compiz config, nothing crazy although I guess some people call wobbly windows crazy :) My hypothesis is that this custom config was interfering with Compiz/Unity and that was the source of my post upgrade woes. Why do I think this? Well yesterday I was using my notebook with no additional screen and I needed to just Get Stuff Done so I battled with Unity to try and get a working environment. This involved a bit of research and resulted in running `unity --reset`, which resets (amongst other things?) your Compiz config. Hopefully that might help others. If all else fails and you want to give Unity a red hot go, try running `unity --reset` and restarting/logging back in. Cheers, Henare -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 23:51, Jeremy Visser jer...@visser.name wrote: I wish it was green. Have you tried openSUSE? :P -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Just use Linux Mint 11 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Heh .. I was using 11.04 to Get Stuff Done but with a move of house I decided to get Debian 6.02 up on the other drive again and have not looked back since. I did not realise what I was missing .. great screensavers, for one. If you are battling with *buntu, you should go back to the source. Regards, Adam Bogacki, adam.boga...@clear.net.nz -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:36, Heracles herac...@iprimus.com.au wrote: Has anyone made the mistake of moving to this unusable version? It seems glued to unity which is the best argument for the demise of Ubuntu I have ever seen. At least in 11.04 I was able to choose gnome as a desktop. With 11.10 the only choices are unity and unity 2D. I guess it's time to move to try another distro. My Twitter feed has been a torrent of rage and bile since I made the mistake of thinking this was 2011 and I could safely upgrade my distro without it being a catastrophic 90s-grade failure. Ahh, that feels slightly better ;) In all seriousness it's been OK fighting^Wusing it today but that's because I'm not using advanced features like two whole monitors. Since it took Linux about 10 years to get multi-monitor working last time I'm guessing it'll be another 10 until Unity sorts that out too. Yours grumbly, Henare -- Henare Degan e » henare.de...@gmail.com t » @henaredegan w » www.henaredegan.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
