Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. I find vmware pathetically slow. Beside which you need full Windows -- Del -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:23 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. I find vmware pathetically slow. Beside which you need full Windows You'll need a copy of Windows for Win4Lin. It also doesn't do a full emulation like VMWare does. So while it's faster it also won't let you run anything newer than Windows 98 (I believe this is because of MMU stuff, but I don't actually know that much about this kinda thing so I'm likely telling you complete lies on that. Does anyone know more? You might want to look into qemu: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ Which can run Windows 98 according to this page: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html I've been tinkering with it over the last few weeks. I've not tried to install windows on it, but the claim that it's fast is justified. The really nice thing (to me) is that when the OS inside the virtual machine is idling, the host system isn't burning cycles emulating the idleness. I think that's awesome. Win4Lin will be less setup time though. The installer worked first time for me the last time I tried it. HTH, James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:53, James Gregory wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 16:23 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 11:12, Del wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. I find vmware pathetically slow. Beside which you need full Windows You'll need a copy of Windows for Win4Lin. It also doesn't do a full emulation like VMWare does. So while it's faster it also won't let you run anything newer than Windows 98 (I believe this is because of MMU stuff, but I don't actually know that much about this kinda thing so I'm likely telling you complete lies on that. Does anyone know more? I'm desparately trying not to run Windows, just Windows apps, specifically MYOB, and even single user at that. I don't want to take a chance on the user seeing anything else that Windows has other than the specific app. You might want to look into qemu: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ Which can run Windows 98 according to this page: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html I've been tinkering with it over the last few weeks. I've not tried to install windows on it, but the claim that it's fast is justified. The really nice thing (to me) is that when the OS inside the virtual machine is idling, the host system isn't burning cycles emulating the idleness. I think that's awesome. Win4Lin will be less setup time though. The installer worked first time for me the last time I tried it. HTH, James. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
The subject asks the question. -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates; Your Linux people http://www.lannetlinux.com -- When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft. -- Flatter government, not fatter government; Get rid of the Australian states. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
RE: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine? A: Yes.
That's not a fantastic way to get an answer, let alone a good one. What do you want to use such an application for? What have you tried so far? Are you talking about comparing price/TCO/convenience/reliability/support/frames per second/footprint/security/speed/AS400 ports/quality of comments in source code/...? :) :) What has your own research surfaced so far? http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ... will not answer your question, but might be worth reading anyway. Cheers, - Rog ... More content, less sig. Get a blog instead. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Lowndes Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 5:42 AM To: UnknownMailList-SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine? The subject asks the question. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. I like vmware but you need more ram. I've had win4lin working OK though. Horses for courses. -- Del -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
quote who=Howard Lowndes The subject asks the question. Without any context, it's hard to say. They do substantially different things, although in some respects solve similar problems. What are you trying to do? - Jeff -- OSCON 2004: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ Acts of random. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Win4Lin or Wine?
On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 05:41 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: The subject asks the question. In my mind, WINE is a better solution *if* you can get it to work for what you need to do. My reasons for saying that essentially boil down to the fact that you get better integration with the host OS by virtue of it making your windows applications appear as normal apps. The windows filesystem is just a directory on your host box. There's less disk space required. You see your windows processes in ps, top etc, and you can do all the normal things to them (renice them, kill them etc) Win4Lin is a different beast. The last time I looked at it I was very impressed with it, and even though it isn't free, it is a product I recommend. If you happen to run mandrake you even get the advantage of kernels built with the Win4Lin patches in them -- though you need to select that particular kernel (it's not the defaut). I look forward to the day that I can unequivocally recommend WINE for all your Windows needs, but we're not there yet. James. -- James Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
