[SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?
G'day all Has this been covered in Australia? Could this happen in Australia? http://immi.is/?l=en&p=intro David On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 14:37 +1100, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: > Send slug mailing list submissions to > slug@slug.org.au > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > slug-requ...@slug.org.au > > You can reach the person managing the list at > slug-ow...@slug.org.au > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of slug digest..." > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: SLUG Membership decline (meryl) >2. Re: Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? (Martin Visser) >3. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Heracles) >4. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Daniel Pittman) >5. Re: SLUG Membership decline (John Ferlito) >6. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Jake Anderson) >7. Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux > servers? (Jake Anderson) >8. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Adrian Chadd) > email message attachment > > Forwarded Message > > From: meryl > > To: slug@slug.org.au > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline > > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:10:38 +1100 > > > > On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:03 +1100 > > jon wrote: > > > > > 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online > > > > Yes, I'd become a member if I could do it online or via snail mail. > > > > > 2. Take advantage of the increasing interest in Linux on the desktop > > > by setting up an Applications SIG and/or focussing on applications at > > > some events. ... So most of the talks and > > > events scheduled by SLUG hold no interest for me. > > > > Here! Here! I totally agree, the majority of list of 2009 presented > > talks appeared to be waaay too techy to entice me to come along and > > SLUGlets talks appear to be too short to offer anything substantial > > to take away & use. I raised this same issue about a year ago (iirc), & > > I mentioned that LUV's plans for Software Freedom Day > > http://softwarefreedomday.org/melb looked like a very appealing program > > of talks and workshops & that I'd be really keen to see something like > > that organised on a regular basis, at SLUG-meets, for us Sydney-siders. > > > > > * New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed > > > * Distros compared and evaluated > > > * Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers, > > > tablets, multiple screens > > > * Bash programming techniques -- but keeping it simple > > > * OpenOffice techniques and macros > > > * GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus techniques > > > > In addition to the above, (a very good list Jon!) I'd also like to see > > basic/beginning Python, basic/beginning Rails/Ruby, & troubleshooting > > problems; i.e. using run levels, wireless setup etc... > > > > cheers, > > Meryl > > > email message attachment > > Forwarded Message > > From: Martin Visser > > To: slug@slug.org.au > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? > > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:17:37 +1100 > > > > I have to agree with Daniel. shutting them down is the safe option. Having a > > service unavailable through the wee hours is far preferable then say having > > to undo a whole of transactions that inadvertantly get run twice (think of > > all the automated payment systems scheduled to run at certain times). A bank > > even has to consider the connections to other financial institutions and > > whether their applications behave properly. > > > > Also you could almost guarantee that while the core transaction processing > > is on a old-fashioned mainfram, the will more than likely have one of > > pretty much every platform doing some part of their business applications. ( > > I actually worked on a project that was going to bring in a new Java on UNIX > > platform a few years ago, unfortunately it was put on ice 6 months in). > > > > Regards, Martin > > > > martinvisse...@gmail.com > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Daniel Pittman wrote: > > > > > Jake Anderson writes: > > > > Jim Donovan wrote: > > > >> I noticed the following on the Commonwealth netbank site this morning: > > > >> > > > >>> NetBank, Mobile Banking and Telephone Banking will be unavailable > > > between > > > >>> 2am and 5am EST on Sunday 4 April 2010 to allow for the changeover > > > >>> from > > > >>> Australian Eastern Daylight Savings time to Australian Eastern > > > >>> Standard > > > >>> time. Please take this timeframe into consideration when completing > > > your > > > >>> banking. For updates during this change, please visit: > > > >>> www.commbank.com.au/update. Please press NEXT to access NetBank. > > > >> > > > >> Assuming it wasn't an April Fool joke, perhaps it means their databases > > > use > > > >> local time and the logic won't permit transactions to be
Re: [SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:32:44 +1100 David Andresen wrote: > G'day all > > Has this been covered in Australia? > > Could this happen in Australia? > > http://immi.is/?l=en&p=intro > > David Well, it has been considered to some extent. In Dow Jones and Company Inc v Gutnick [2002] HCA 56 the High Court allowed Gutnick to sue for an internet article published in a service provided by Dow Jones. The servers were located in the USA. Some slight cause for optimism: the Court emphasised that the publication was one that was by subscription only. Therefore Dow Jones **knew** that it would be read in Australia. You can see the case at: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/high_ct/2002/56.html A very slender ray of hope though. Alan > > > > On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 14:37 +1100, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: > > Send slug mailing list submissions to > > slug@slug.org.au > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > slug-requ...@slug.org.au > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > slug-ow...@slug.org.au > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of slug digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: SLUG Membership decline (meryl) > >2. Re: Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? (Martin Visser) > >3. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Heracles) > >4. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Daniel Pittman) > >5. Re: SLUG Membership decline (John Ferlito) > >6. Re: Re: Time Pedantry (Jake Anderson) > >7. Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux > > servers? (Jake Anderson) > >8. Re: SLUG Membership decline (Adrian Chadd) > > email message attachment > > > Forwarded Message > > > From: meryl > > > To: slug@slug.org.au > > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline > > > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:10:38 +1100 > > > > > > On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:03 +1100 > > > jon wrote: > > > > > > > 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online > > > > > > Yes, I'd become a member if I could do it online or via snail > > > mail. > > > > > > > 2. Take advantage of the increasing interest in Linux on the > > > > desktop by setting up an Applications SIG and/or focussing on > > > > applications at some events. ... So most of the talks > > > > and events scheduled by SLUG hold no interest for me. > > > > > > Here! Here! I totally agree, the majority of list of 2009 > > > presented talks appeared to be waaay too techy to entice me to > > > come along and SLUGlets talks appear to be too short to offer > > > anything substantial to take away & use. I raised this same issue > > > about a year ago (iirc), & I mentioned that LUV's plans for > > > Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/melb looked > > > like a very appealing program of talks and workshops & that I'd > > > be really keen to see something like that organised on a regular > > > basis, at SLUG-meets, for us Sydney-siders. > > > > > > > * New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed > > > > * Distros compared and evaluated > > > > * Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers, > > > > tablets, multiple screens > > > > * Bash programming techniques -- but keeping it simple > > > > * OpenOffice techniques and macros > > > > * GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus techniques > > > > > > In addition to the above, (a very good list Jon!) I'd also like > > > to see basic/beginning Python, basic/beginning Rails/Ruby, & > > > troubleshooting problems; i.e. using run levels, wireless setup > > > etc... > > > > > > cheers, > > > Meryl > > > > > email message attachment > > > Forwarded Message > > > From: Martin Visser > > > To: slug@slug.org.au > > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers? > > > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:17:37 +1100 > > > > > > I have to agree with Daniel. shutting them down is the safe > > > option. Having a service unavailable through the wee hours is far > > > preferable then say having to undo a whole of transactions that > > > inadvertantly get run twice (think of all the automated payment > > > systems scheduled to run at certain times). A bank even has to > > > consider the connections to other financial institutions and > > > whether their applications behave properly. > > > > > > Also you could almost guarantee that while the core transaction > > > processing is on a old-fashioned mainfram, the will more than > > > likely have one of pretty much every platform doing some part of > > > their business applications. ( I actually worked on a project > > > that was going to bring in a new Java on UNIX platform a few > > > years ago, unfortunately it was put on ice 6 months in). > > > > > > Regards, Martin > > > > > > martinvisse...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:39 P
