ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
doug foskey wrote:
> Lucky city-ites with cable & ADSL.
Most people in "the city" can not get ADSL either.
a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
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Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
> doug foskey wrote: > > > Lucky city-ites with cable & ADSL. > > Most people in "the city" can not get ADSL either. > a) Because they are too far from an exchange and > b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable. > How about making a little research and try WIRELESS. Check, http://www.nodedb.com/australia/nsw/sydney/ More and more hobbyist are only willing to share resources. Oscar Plameras http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/disclaimer.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Oscar Plameras wrote:
This is not a personal attack on anyone!
>
> > doug foskey wrote:
> >
> > > Lucky city-ites with cable & ADSL.
> >
> > Most people in "the city" can not get ADSL either.
> > a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
> > b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
> >
>
> How about making a little research and try WIRELESS. Check,
>
> http://www.nodedb.com/australia/nsw/sydney/
Yep, that is pretty good advice about research {;-).
We are talking 802.11b, which is 11 channels of 10Mb/sec stuff (on a
good, clear day) less that taken up by "mobile base phones", toys,
garage door controllers, etc, etc, then divided by the population of
Sydney!
Dang that old 300 baud modem is starting to look really fast folks.
The limiting problem on wireless technology is to get the bandwidth for
"everyone", you end up frying the user. Wireless works well in an open
office.
>
> More and more hobbyist are only willing to share resources.
You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where
you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is
illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it.
Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the
t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with
people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes
and had NAC (not a clue).
And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre
mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with
a clue.
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Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
> Oscar Plameras wrote:
>
> This is not a personal attack on anyone!
>
> >
> > > doug foskey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lucky city-ites with cable & ADSL.
> > >
> > > Most people in "the city" can not get ADSL either.
> > > a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
> > > b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
> > >
> >
> > How about making a little research and try WIRELESS. Check,
> >
> > http://www.nodedb.com/australia/nsw/sydney/
>
> Yep, that is pretty good advice about research {;-).
>
> We are talking 802.11b, which is 11 channels of 10Mb/sec stuff (on a
> good, clear day) less that taken up by "mobile base phones", toys,
> garage door controllers, etc, etc, then divided by the population of
> Sydney!
>
Do not channels ('or freeways on AIR') multiplexed ('or shared')
instead of dedicated ?
> Dang that old 300 baud modem is starting to look really fast folks.
>
> The limiting problem on wireless technology is to get the bandwidth for
> "everyone", you end up frying the user. Wireless works well in an open
> office.
>
Because data and voice traffic multiplexed it is incorrect to assign
bandwidth on a one-to-one correspondence.
>
> >
> > More and more hobbyist are only willing to share resources.
>
> You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where
> you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is
> illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it.
>
Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says
operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ?
Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate
control, etc.?
> Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the
> t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with
> people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes
> and had NAC (not a clue).
>
> And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre
> mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with
> a clue.
>
Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics ?
The attitude should be that I'm not discouraged just because someone
tells me it is not possible.
Oscar Plameras
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Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate control, etc.? The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between two entities Been there, done that, have 7 listings in the node list, got the t-shirt, ran the WUG, gotta better things to do, i.e. I got fed up with people who didn't get past the sales brouchure from the wireless sleazes and had NAC (not a clue). And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10 metre mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl) with a clue. Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics ? The attitude should be that I'm not discouraged just because someone tells me it is not possible. Ive seen it done indeed why cant you? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:33, Ben de Luca wrote: > >> > >> You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where > >> you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is > >> illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. > >> > > > > Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says > > operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? > > > > Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate > > control, etc.? > > > > The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license > if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between > two entities > IIRC, you actually only when it's commercial activity and the user is paying for to be able to send or recive data that goes outside the wireless network they are on. Eg,. Paying for internet access over wifi - requires license. Paying for use of a wifi network, which only allows VoIP access to other members on there network - No license needed. -Karl -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Ben de Luca wrote:
> The ACA pretty plainly states, that you only require a carrier license
> if you are conducting comercial activites across the network between
> two entities
I think we agree on intent. I just decided it was easier to do my own
thing rather than bother with any of the wireless groups/lists where you
were continually harrassed for suggesting anything like this.
...snip.
> >> And I still haven't solved the problem of how to legally get a 10
> >> metre
> >> mast up to service the one person 3kms away (who can not get adsl)
> >> with
> >> a clue.
> >>
> >
> > Can you elaborate why ? Is it cost ? Is it technical ? Is it logistics
> > ?
1) Permission from council. Have you ever tried to get a council
engineer to think outside the square. Most councils have regs stating
maximum height is 3m above roof top.
2) Cost. Two mates with clear line of sight on unit balconies is one
thing, but two houses suburbs apart in the burbs presents major problems
in many locations. And I would much rather spend that money on other
things in life.
3) The technicals are a piece of cake.
>
> Ive seen it done indeed why cant you?
Hey, we have a site that give good access over most of Campbelltown City
LGA, but we just can not afford the $20K per month tower access fee.
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Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
not to mention that some city slickers are still on either pairgains or rihms and either of them won't get ya adsl either -- Shaun Oliver "Becareful of the toes u step on today, they maybe connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow!" EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO: blindman01_2000 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: captain nemo 200 IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman CHANNELS: #awesomeradio #mircpopup-magic #linux #help #ourworld #audiofile #mauisun -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Terry, what about broadband WiFi ? Would you be interested ?
A trial system is being installed at the moment in my area (I will be
one of the "neighborhood POP's" which, if successful, will be offered to
people in Campbelltown and Central Cost areas as well...
They are also going to expand into VoIP !!!
Hasta la Vista, Telstra !
Jon
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RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
As one of those lucky ones, all this talk is making me wonder where its possible to stipulate adsl compatible exchange as one of the lease agreements, so you can back out if its not available. Rob T > -Original Message- > From: Shaun Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2003 12:19 AM > To: Terry Collins > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk > > > not to mention that some city slickers are still on either > pairgains or > rihms > and either of them won't get ya adsl either > > -- > Shaun Oliver * This mail, including any attached files may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended receipient (or authorised to receive information for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Oscar Plameras wrote: > > You obviously have never frequented the australian wireless list where > > you would be told time and time again that this sort of activity is > > illegal and you need a carrier liscence (sp?) for it. > > > > Without being cynical can you advise which legal document says > operating 802.11b would require some form of 'carrier license' ? Running 802.11b doesn;t, necessarily. However, running 802.11b _and_ sharing internet data over it very likely may require one. http://www.aca.gov.au/aca_home/licensing/radcomm/about_radcomms_licensing/wlans.htm Read carefully - I know of a number of companies who got caught out by this one. > Is a 'carrier license' required to install a remote garage or gate > control, etc.? No - but they're single ended controls - they're not sharing data. Different class. DaZZa -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
