Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 26 May 2008 12:29:25 +1000 "Martin Visser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan, > > However, most new motherboards have limited support for PATA - often > only having one connector for that these days, as it is basically > used just for the DVD drive. These boards tend to have at least 4 SATA > ports, and often two are RAIDable. At some stage PATA drives will > become more expensive and/or not available (especially in the larger > sizes). So there *may* be an advantage in getting a SATA controller > and a SATA drive if you want to extend the life of the server a little > longer than you might otherwise - it would then also have the benefit > of allowing you to move the SATA drive at some stage on to a newer > server. > > On my home systems, I install new SATA drives where I am able and > divert the PATA drives to the older systems. Of course I don't want to > imply that you wont be able to get PATA drives next week, but they > will become deprecated over time, as does most computer technology :-) OK, Thanks. It's something to consider, particularly since it is much easier to move an existing drive rather than copy all the stuff to a new one. Something to think about. Cheers, Alan > > Martin > > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:54:35 +1000 > > david <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 11:44 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: > >> > PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA > >> > or IDE > >> > - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes > >> > you can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and > >> > airflow > >> > - the connector is the same. > >> > > >> > SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat > >> > cable with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics > >> > and specs). > >> > > >> > If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or > >> > PATA as you say) > >> > > >> > >> I have a PATA only board to which I added a SATA controller card > >> and now run two PATA and two SATA drives. Works for me :) > >> > >> I'm not sure if there could be a BIOS issue, but I didn't have one. > > > > Thanks David. I don't really have a storage problem: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hda2 37G 3.0G 32G 9% / > > tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /lib/init/rw > > udev 10M 52K 10M 1% /dev > > tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm > > /dev/hda1 145G 9.5G 130G 7% /home > > > > > > But I like the second disk for automatic backups. More than two > > would be overkill :-). > > > > Thanks > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old > >> > > box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. > >> > > > >> > > Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either > >> > > one of these, or do they require special motherboard support? > >> > > How do I tell if my system supports either one? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks for help, > >> > > Alan > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Alan L Tyree > >> > > http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 > >> > > 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 > >> > > -- > >> > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - > >> > > http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: > >> > > http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Regards, Martin > >> > > >> > Martin Visser > >> > >> -- > >> SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > >> Subscription info and FAQs: > >> http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > >> > > > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 > > FWD: 615662 > > -- > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > > > > -- > Regards, Martin > > Martin Visser > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
Alan, However, most new motherboards have limited support for PATA - often only having one connector for that these days, as it is basically used just for the DVD drive. These boards tend to have at least 4 SATA ports, and often two are RAIDable. At some stage PATA drives will become more expensive and/or not available (especially in the larger sizes). So there *may* be an advantage in getting a SATA controller and a SATA drive if you want to extend the life of the server a little longer than you might otherwise - it would then also have the benefit of allowing you to move the SATA drive at some stage on to a newer server. On my home systems, I install new SATA drives where I am able and divert the PATA drives to the older systems. Of course I don't want to imply that you wont be able to get PATA drives next week, but they will become deprecated over time, as does most computer technology :-) Martin On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:54:35 +1000 > david <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 11:44 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: >> > PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or >> > IDE >> > - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you >> > can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow >> > - the connector is the same. >> > >> > SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable >> > with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). >> > >> > If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or >> > PATA as you say) >> > >> >> I have a PATA only board to which I added a SATA controller card and >> now run two PATA and two SATA drives. Works for me :) >> >> I'm not sure if there could be a BIOS issue, but I didn't have one. > > Thanks David. I don't really have a storage problem: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda2 37G 3.0G 32G 9% / > tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /lib/init/rw > udev 10M 52K 10M 1% /dev > tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm > /dev/hda1 145G 9.5G 130G 7% /home > > > But I like the second disk for automatic backups. More than two would > be overkill :-). > > Thanks > >> >> >> >> > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old >> > > box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. >> > > >> > > Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one >> > > of these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do >> > > I tell if my system supports either one? >> > > >> > > Thanks for help, >> > > Alan >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan >> > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 >> > > FWD: 615662 >> > > -- >> > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - >> > > http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: >> > > http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, Martin >> > >> > Martin Visser >> >> -- >> SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ >> Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html >> > > > -- > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 > FWD: 615662 > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:44:17 +1000 "Martin Visser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or IDE > - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you can > get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow - the > connector is the same. > > SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable > with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). > > If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or PATA > as you say) Thanks for that, Martin. Definitely the 40 pin ribbon connectors. Off to the shops! Alan > > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. > > I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. > > > > Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of > > these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I > > tell if my system supports either one? > > > > Thanks for help, > > Alan > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 > > FWD: 615662 > > -- > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > > > > -- > Regards, Martin > > Martin Visser > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:54:35 +1000 david <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 11:44 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: > > PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or > > IDE > > - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you > > can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow > > - the connector is the same. > > > > SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable > > with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). > > > > If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or > > PATA as you say) > > > > I have a PATA only board to which I added a SATA controller card and > now run two PATA and two SATA drives. Works for me :) > > I'm not sure if there could be a BIOS issue, but I didn't have one. Thanks David. I don't really have a storage problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 37G 3.0G 32G 9% / tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /lib/init/rw udev 10M 52K 10M 1% /dev tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 145G 9.5G 130G 7% /home But I like the second disk for automatic backups. More than two would be overkill :-). Thanks > > > > > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old > > > box. I has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. > > > > > > Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one > > > of these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do > > > I tell if my system supports either one? > > > > > > Thanks for help, > > > Alan > > > > > > -- > > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 > > > FWD: 615662 > > > -- > > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - > > > http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: > > > http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, Martin > > > > Martin Visser > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 11:44 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: > PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or IDE > - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you can > get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow - the > connector is the same. > > SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable > with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). > > If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or PATA > as you say) > I have a PATA only board to which I added a SATA controller card and now run two PATA and two SATA drives. Works for me :) I'm not sure if there could be a BIOS issue, but I didn't have one. > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. I > > has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. > > > > Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of > > these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I tell if > > my system supports either one? > > > > Thanks for help, > > Alan > > > > -- > > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 > > FWD: 615662 > > -- > > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > > > > > > -- > Regards, Martin > > Martin Visser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Hard disk drive
PATA is basically the same as what you might have known as ATA or IDE - with the wide 40 pin ribbon cable and header connector. (Yes you can get round IDE cables but that is mainly aesthetics and airflow - the connector is the same. SATA is the new-fangled type of connector with a skinny flat cable with only a dozen or so pins. (Google will give you pics and specs). If your board is 4 years old, it almost certainly will be IDE (or PATA as you say) On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Alan L Tyree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need some advice. I'm running Debian Etch on a four year old box. I > has (had) two disk drives, one of which dropped dead. > > Looking for new ones, I see P/ATA and S/ATA. Can I use either one of > these, or do they require special motherboard support? How do I tell if > my system supports either one? > > Thanks for help, > Alan > > -- > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > Tel: 04 2748 6206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 > FWD: 615662 > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html > -- Regards, Martin Martin Visser -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
