[RCSE] Too many lists....self evident
In a message dated 99-12-23 06:40:02 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm with Red! Lets get something standardized before we lose our list all together. Having our own list is kind of nice and I'm at a loss why we don't use it more than we do. Just use RCSE for HLG (and F3J, F3B, F3K blah blah...) traffic. (combat foamie wing guys keep out :-) :-)) With intelligent subject lines, the few lazy dorks out there won't have to read messages they're not interested in. Time has shown that there is not enough traffic to support lists for all these splinter groups. With most everybody in the same discussion, enlightening cross-pollination goes on. After all, isn't this what electronic information exchange is all about? Besides, the more lists I am on, the MORE SPAM I get, and that is NOT GOOD. Mark Navarre - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] need source for milled glass
Try Aircraft Spruce. http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/index.html Also buy 1 lb of cotton flox for a lighter, as strong (for hobby use) filler. Or go see your Christmas tree vendor and ask for some cotton snow stuff. Tom Donna Unruh wrote: Anyone know of a supplier for milled glass? Try Fiberglass,Composites,Resins -- Rich Border
[RCSE] Medical Tubing...
I am a beginner in RC Sailplane soaring. Can anyone tell me where I can find/buy surgical tubing??? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] need source for milled glass
When you find it--be careful. It is bad stuff. I have a small packet in my shop and it is marked--bad stuff.JimAt 11:54 PM 12/22/99 -0500, Moved by the wind. wrote: Donna Unruh wrote: Anyone know of a supplier for milled glass? Fiberglass,Composites,Resins -- Rich Border Marguerite Prunyi http://www.netlabs.net/hp/soarrich Those who pound their swords into plows will plow for those who did not. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RES
Ray Hayes call or fax..1-(219) 434-1322 Sky Bench Aerotech email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9218 Thunder Hill Place website.. http://www.skybench.com Ft. Wayne, Indiana 46804Model Aviation Headquarters Greetings, To continue stirring the pot, what if my man shows up with a version of full scale sailplane spoilers. The split spoiler that upon activation sends a spoiler blade out the top and bottom of the wing. This I think is generally accepted as a "spoiler system. The key to any RES contest is what the good guys in Cincinnati do and that is publish their set of rules prior to their contest. It is the host club and CD that determines their particular RES contest rules. This is true of coarse of any contest, says so in the AMA rule book. This is good, because it allows a creative approach to contests tasks and the contest format that proves itself popular will have the most contestants. I think alot of folks are confusing Nostalgia with RES. In my view, most of the sailplanes that qualify for Nostalgia are three function (Mixing radios are allowed in Jack's Nostalgia rules) and mostly RES types. This then allows RES to be an all new class of competition (their is a word that makes 90% of the world's sailplaners shudder) rather than a repeat or hybrid of Nostalgia. A third option is a one of a kind contest. From a clubs point of view, they may want to consider a format that will motivate the highest number of guys to attend their contest to create club revenue (this is what holds down the price of membership dues and pays the rent), this being the case, why not allow spoilers electronically coupled to the stab or rudder. The best pilots are still going to win regardless of rules and the benefit is, it allows creativity limited to 3 functions (RES). If you want to argue equality in RES then RES would also have to specify wing area. Unless your name is Mark Smith, your chances of winning an RES contest with a Windfree are near zero if your competing against the larger designs. Yes, an OLY ll is almost twice the area of a Windfree and a Paragon is more than twice. What do you think? Ray RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RES question Answer
OOPS - I goofed. Jack is the Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules, not the RES rules. Sorry - my bad - Rob RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Airtronics
Could someone please tell me a good address and phone number for Airtronics? Thermals Mark Wales RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] CR Climmax
Dear David, I own a Climax Slope pro version with Kevlar added to the fuse and two piece wing. I love it, it performs well in lower lift but flies like a sloper due to the dihedral, double tapered RG 15 wing. If you want aerobatic slope performance in lighter lift, it's a great plane. However, for true handlaunch action in very light lift, I think there are more advanced models out there now that are much lighter planes... but their purpose is entirely different,, you'll need to chose what you want-- fun performance -- Climax,, vs really super light lift capability,, newer model such as seen in HLG section of Northeast Sailplanes sight (mostly pod and boomers with bagged very light wings and no ailerons.) Blaine Zaid (Pacific Palisades) --- "David A. Enete" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I've become enamored with the Climmax series of HLG sailplanes ever since viewing Endless Lift a half-dozen times. I'm wondering two things. 1. If you have one of these, any version, how do you like them (what works well, what doesn't)? 2. If you have one of these, do you want to sell it to me? - David David A. Enete [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Aviation tip: If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick back they get smaller. (Unless you keep pulling the stick back...then they get bigger again) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Proposed Official AMA RES Class
I have just received the complete list of all soaring rules change proposals for the next cycle. There was only one proposal, the RES proposal of Bob Johnson as outlined in Bill Bunny Kuhlman's message. A summary of the rule change proposal will be published in the March issue of Model Aviation that AMA members will be receiving in January. A preliminary vote on the proposal by the Soaring Contest Board is due February 28th. If the proposal passes the preliminary vote, then the proposal will be open to modification or counter proposals. If the proposal is approved in a final vote, the rule will become official in 2002. Lets don't have a repeat of the fiasco last time where the RES proposal was defeated by a few vocal opponents who did not even allow the proposal to reach the second stage where the offending parts could modified. The period for rules change proposal submission has passed and the only thing to be discussed is Proposal No. S002-1 and possible cross proposals. A discussion of anything else about RES is just spam. Proposal No. S002-1 is well thought out and I intend to vote for it's approval in the preliminary vote. It is not perfect and there are a couple of minor changes that I would like to see but I could live with the rule as it now stands. For the record, most of the sailplanes I fly would qualify for the new RES class with nothing more than minor modifications so I am very familiar with that type model. I intend to fly my new RES class design at Phoenix in February. That is if I don't pull the usual before a major contest trick and damage it just before the contest. :-) Chuck Anderson AMA District V Soaring Contest Board member. The current, albeit tentative, "rules" for RES events, as written by Bob Johnson, are still listed on one of the RC Soaring Digest web pages - http://www.halcyon.com/bsquared/RES.html, as mentioned previously. There are two Parts which are related to the question of the Thermal Zagi - Part (a) and Part (b): "a. Control of the aircraft will be limited to three functions: rudder, elevator, and spoilers. "b. Except in the case of tailless aircraft which have a portion of the trailing edge of the wing serve as the elevator, the trailing edge of the wing must remain fixed at all times. In the excepted case, where split elevators are used, they may be driven by separate servos but both left and right halves must at all times deflect in the same direction and by the same amount." Notice in Part (a) that the functions are Rudder, Elevator, and Spoilers. There is no direct aileron function. In the RES class, roll is generated by the effective angle of attack differential caused by rudder induced yaw. This is the case whether the aircraft has a tail or not. Tailless aircraft with rudder and elevator controls, like the MB Raven, Windfreak, and Windlord, can be entered in RES events. In Part (b), where tailless aircraft with split elevators are covered, both elevator halves must move in unison even if driven by separate servos. No differential movement is allowed. This means that although the elevator halves on a tailless entry could be at the wing tips, and hence look like ailerons, roll control must still be under the influence of the rudder alone. Tailless aircraft with elevons, like the Blackbird 2M and Thermal Zagi, are therefore specifically excluded from RES events under these rules. When these second generation rules were proposed, there was a suggestion to simply count servos, as mentioned by another respondent to your query. After some discussion, it was decided that the roll control offered by elevons is contrary to the intention of the class. The aileron function is not allowed on tailed aircraft of the RES class, and that exclusion is extended to tailless aircraft by disallowing elevator differential. To reiterate, in the case you point out, the Thermal Zagi as described would NOT qualify as an RES entry under the current rules because it has an aileron function through use of a mixer. BUT, if that same Thermal Zagi were modified to have a vertical fin with a rudder, and the mixer replaced with a Y-harness (still one servo per elevator, but no differential), it would then be a valid entry in the class. I hope this is clear. A note on V-tails: V-tails are not prohibited in the RES rules, and so a mixer can be used to obtain the required coordinated functions. However, it should be noted that with a standard V-tail, right rudder imparts a roll to the left. Perhaps the rules need to address roll control through use of an _inverted_ V-tail? We'll leave that to you enthusiasts of tails. Bob's rules proposal also did not say anything about dihedral, polyhedral, etc., but did state that spoilers had to be on the top of the wing only and at least two inches from the trailing edge, and could not operate differentially. Bob's rules are simple yet comprehensive. It sounds like when local clubs add
