[RCSE] LSF competition requirements
A question, and disagreement has come up about LSF competition requirements between a friend and myself. On the website and on the voucher is outlined two scoring systems thePlace System and thePoints System. Stated, Two alternative methods of scoring may be used to meet competition requirments. Either the Place System, where a place is recognized to be first(1st, second(2nd), or third(3rd) in the final standings of a contest: or the Competition Points System, where a minimum total of competition points from any six (6) contests may be used.(here I cut out some unimportant, for this matter, info on exactly how the score is derived), and then the last line, A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. The question is, when using the Points System, how many contests can be used, basically added together, to come up to the minimum points requirment for a given Level? I would be very interested in hearing from some of you older, high level LSF members, on this as one of us( my friend and I) has the opinion that you may add as many contests together as needed to get to the minimum total pionts required and one of us thinks you can only add 6 contests together to get the points. The final line seems to be up for interprtation. A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. One of us says this line implies any number of contests can be added together to get the total points needed. One of us says that this line is there to make you fly at least 6 contests to achieve the next level. Due to the fact that an aspirant could fly one contest(for some Levels) and be done with the competition requirments needed if it were not fot the last line. Any comments will be appreciated. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: Futaba ff9 v. MPX 3030
Of course, the 3030 costs twice as much as the 8U, and likely the FF9. The fact that the 8u will do pretty much everything you want it to for half the cost is nice. Not all of us want or need to spend almost $500 for just a transmitter. Brett (who never had any problems setting up an 8u for a 6 servo plane) Mike Shellim wrote: From: Tim Rowledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ripmax.com/FS_Radios.html Hmm. Looks like they've either licensed (or stolen) a whole load of Multiplex ideas again. Sorry, I can't see any features in the FF9 which suggest that Futaba understand what Multiplex is about let alone tried to copy it. Where are the user-definable channel assignments and stick functions to name but two features? Or the four-input/unlimited-output user mixers? Don't confuse features with flexibility. The classic example is 6-servo wings which were unheard of when MPX designed the 3030, but which are still a piece of cake to set up. Try that with a modern system like the U8! If Futaba have licensed the MPX underlying engine, they have effectively crippled it by putting a restrictive (supposedly user friendly) front-end around it. Of course this is just a way of getting you to upgrade when you find the feature you *really* want is in next year's model. I think this is called marketing. - Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page http://www.bayarea.net/~nathan/extra300 OnTheWay Quake 3 Server Utility http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway _ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements
Rick, I just made level 2 last week and I too was confused on the LSF requirements and wrote Dennis Adamisin here is what he had for me. I gather six is the bare minimum but you can continue until you reach your score or win a contest. I don't have the sheet with me so can't remember all the rules. Hope this helps, but he is fast to reply I would suggest writing Dennis as well. Glenn, Part d is the final answer to the equation; your (participant's) competition points (Your score/Winning Score) x 100 x (# of entrants - your standing + 1) = Participant's (your) competition points. Your example: (4400/5500) x 100 x (6+1) = 560 LSF points (Participant's Competition Points) Scoring matrix does not matter for HLG versus TD. Ultimately your score is a percentage of the winners score, whether the totals are in the 500's or 5's has no impact. The biggest factor is the number of contestants and of course, your placing. For example, if you fly a big contest like the NATs with 100 entries, first place earns 10,000 points regardless of his actual score. Assume 51st place had 50% of winners score, normally that would not sound like much of a flight score, but that would earn 2500 points - almost all of a Level 2 requirement. That's why I made sure to record my NATs scores because even though I flew placed poorly, I got a lot of points just because of the entry totals. Just make sure you get a minimum of six contests with at least 5 entries each for Level 2. Does this help? Dennis Adamisin LSF Secretary visit LSF at www.silentflight.org - Original Message - From: GRW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dennis Adamisin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:19 Subject: Re: LSF Discrepancy on Task Sheet Dennis, You are absolutely right it's called RTFS (computer term I use for my users but applies here) - read the fricken (sub if you like) sheet. Sorry about that. I assumed that was the amount of contests. Now, I know that different contests seem to have a different scoring matrix, my handlaunch stuff i'm usually scoring about 4-5k but I don't think that matters but i'll ask anyway. Lets say there are 8 contests I outscore 6 of them get a 4400 and the winner gets 5500 it should look like this correct? 4400 / 550 x 100 x (6+1) = 560 but where does part D Particpants Competition Points come into play? I assume that I can do either a placement or a competition points or is it once you start one way you have to finish that way. Sorry for the probably obvious solutions here just want to make sure I undersand since i've got 2 possibly 3 contests left before the end of the year and I want to get it right. Thanks again for your time in explaining this. Glenn Whitcomb __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Glenn W. Tri-Cities, WA _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements
This does not answer the question. Both my friend and I agree that you may fly any number of contests. The disagreement is on whether you can count an infinite number, totaled together, or you have to pick and chose and finally get only 6 contests, no matter when they were flown, to total the minimum points. - Original Message - From: GRW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rick and Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: rcse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements Rick, I just made level 2 last week and I too was confused on the LSF requirements and wrote Dennis Adamisin here is what he had for me. I gather six is the bare minimum but you can continue until you reach your score or win a contest. I don't have the sheet with me so can't remember all the rules. Hope this helps, but he is fast to reply I would suggest writing Dennis as well. Glenn, Part d is the final answer to the equation; your (participant's) competition points (Your score/Winning Score) x 100 x (# of entrants - your standing + 1) = Participant's (your) competition points. Your example: (4400/5500) x 100 x (6+1) = 560 LSF points (Participant's Competition Points) Scoring matrix does not matter for HLG versus TD. Ultimately your score is a percentage of the winners score, whether the totals are in the 500's or 5's has no impact. The biggest factor is the number of contestants and of course, your placing. For example, if you fly a big contest like the NATs with 100 entries, first place earns 10,000 points regardless of his actual score. Assume 51st place had 50% of winners score, normally that would not sound like much of a flight score, but that would earn 2500 points - almost all of a Level 2 requirement. That's why I made sure to record my NATs scores because even though I flew placed poorly, I got a lot of points just because of the entry totals. Just make sure you get a minimum of six contests with at least 5 entries each for Level 2. Does this help? Dennis Adamisin LSF Secretary visit LSF at www.silentflight.org - Original Message - From: GRW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dennis Adamisin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 10:19 Subject: Re: LSF Discrepancy on Task Sheet Dennis, You are absolutely right it's called RTFS (computer term I use for my users but applies here) - read the fricken (sub if you like) sheet. Sorry about that. I assumed that was the amount of contests. Now, I know that different contests seem to have a different scoring matrix, my handlaunch stuff i'm usually scoring about 4-5k but I don't think that matters but i'll ask anyway. Lets say there are 8 contests I outscore 6 of them get a 4400 and the winner gets 5500 it should look like this correct? 4400 / 550 x 100 x (6+1) = 560 but where does part D Particpants Competition Points come into play? I assume that I can do either a placement or a competition points or is it once you start one way you have to finish that way. Sorry for the probably obvious solutions here just want to make sure I undersand since i've got 2 possibly 3 contests left before the end of the year and I want to get it right. Thanks again for your time in explaining this. Glenn Whitcomb __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ -- Glenn W. Tri-Cities, WA _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: 25% of regular LASS members bring home NATS first place
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[RCSE] CAT-5 wiring harness
Has anyone used CAT-5 wire in conjunction with an RJ-45 computer data connector In building a wing wiring harness? Does it work? I would appreciate any imput. Thanks...STAN RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] cheap electric flying wing?
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Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply
Rick, I have been advised by Bill Grenoble, that you are out on some kind of crusade, around the competition requirements of the LSF Aspirant form. AS in evidence of this I am replying to you post to RCSE, In the area of the Comp. Requirements the note that states Minimum of six contests required ;means exactly that !!! It is a minimum ! That must be reflected on the aspirant form. One may, IF one chooses to include only those contests that give one the biggest points, or ONE may include an additional sheet of paper with ALL the penetrant information, on it as displayed on the aspirant from. An aspirant does not have to use only the 6 spaces provided. I am hopeful that you are now clear on the intent and answer provided. Thanks for the opportunity to be of OFFICIAL Assistance Jack Strother LSF President LSF 2948 At 02:25 PM 8/13/01 -0500, Rick and Jill wrote: A question, and disagreement has come up about LSF competition requirements between a friend and myself. On the website and on the voucher is outlined two scoring systems thePlace System and thePoints System. Stated, Two alternative methods of scoring may be used to meet competition requirments. Either the Place System, where a place is recognized to be first(1st, second(2nd), or third(3rd) in the final standings of a contest: or the Competition Points System, where a minimum total of competition points from any six (6) contests may be used.(here I cut out some unimportant, for this matter, info on exactly how the score is derived), and then the last line, A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. The question is, when using the Points System, how many contests can be used, basically added together, to come up to the minimum points requirment for a given Level? I would be very interested in hearing from some of you older, high level LSF members, on this as one of us( my friend and I) has the opinion that you may add as many contests together as needed to get to the minimum total pionts required and one of us thinks you can only add 6 contests together to get the points. The final line seems to be up for interprtation. A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. One of us says this line implies any number of contests can be added together to get the total points needed. One of us says that this line is there to make you fly at least 6 contests to achieve the next level. Due to the fact that an aspirant could fly one contest(for some Levels) and be done with the competition requirments needed if it were not fot the last line. Any comments will be appreciated. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply
- Original Message - From: Rick and Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply Jack, I am not out on a cursade other than to find out the rule. I do not dispute that you may fly as many contests as you require to get 6 that total up to the minimum points. Are you now saying that you can use more than 6 contests to gain your points. In other words, Can I total , say, 10 contests to come up to the min points. Bill Grenoble is of the opinion that a flyer can total 100 contests to come up to the min points if that is what is required to gain that many points. I think the voucher and the site state differently and have always been told that only 6 contests can be used for the total points. Is this incorrect? Can I total 100 contests for my Level IV points? Thanks in advance for your reply Rick Brown - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rick and Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rcse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply Rick, I have been advised by Bill Grenoble, that you are out on some kind of crusade, around the competition requirements of the LSF Aspirant form. AS in evidence of this I am replying to you post to RCSE, In the area of the Comp. Requirements the note that states Minimum of six contests required ;means exactly that !!! It is a minimum ! That must be reflected on the aspirant form. One may, IF one chooses to include only those contests that give one the biggest points, or ONE may include an additional sheet of paper with ALL the penetrant information, on it as displayed on the aspirant from. An aspirant does not have to use only the 6 spaces provided. I am hopeful that you are now clear on the intent and answer provided. Thanks for the opportunity to be of OFFICIAL Assistance Jack Strother LSF President LSF 2948 At 02:25 PM 8/13/01 -0500, Rick and Jill wrote: A question, and disagreement has come up about LSF competition requirements between a friend and myself. On the website and on the voucher is outlined two scoring systems thePlace System and thePoints System. Stated, Two alternative methods of scoring may be used to meet competition requirments. Either the Place System, where a place is recognized to be first(1st, second(2nd), or third(3rd) in the final standings of a contest: or the Competition Points System, where a minimum total of competition points from any six (6) contests may be used.(here I cut out some unimportant, for this matter, info on exactly how the score is derived), and then the last line, A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. The question is, when using the Points System, how many contests can be used, basically added together, to come up to the minimum points requirment for a given Level? I would be very interested in hearing from some of you older, high level LSF members, on this as one of us( my friend and I) has the opinion that you may add as many contests together as needed to get to the minimum total pionts required and one of us thinks you can only add 6 contests together to get the points. The final line seems to be up for interprtation. A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. One of us says this line implies any number of contests can be added together to get the total points needed. One of us says that this line is there to make you fly at least 6 contests to achieve the next level. Due to the fact that an aspirant could fly one contest(for some Levels) and be done with the competition requirments needed if it were not fot the last line. Any comments will be appreciated. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] BSS Mid AM
The Bluegrass Soaring Society will hold its annual Mid-America Soaring Championship on August 25th and 26th, 2001 at Jacobson Park in Lexington KY (OVSS #6). The CD's will be Frank Foster (Sat the 25th)and AJ Bhattacharyya (Sun the 26th): Pilot registration will begin at 9:00 AM and flying will begin at 10:00 AM. and we hope to finish by 3:30 P.M. on Sat and 3:00 P.M. on Sunday. We will be flying 3 classes, namely, Unlimited, Standard and RES, with the format being same as last year, i.e. Thermal Duration and L6 landing with an open winch. Fees are $10.00 for one class or $15.00 for two classes per day. Lunch and drinks will be provided on Sat the 25th,compliments of the BSS. 1st to 4th place trophies will be awarded in all classes flown, with an overall trophy for the highest total score from both days. Saturday's festivities willl be followed by dinner at around 6:30 P.M. at a local restaurant (venue to be announced later). Hope to see you there. Thanks, The Mgmt __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] F3J toys FS
Hello, Team selections are almost here. I have a few models/toys for those in need: 1 Pike Plus LT. 2-piece v-tail, ballast tubes in the fuse, extra wide bhf. Yellow/blue NIB. Stratos SL RTF. Mint cond. Yellow/red. Sharon 3.5m 5-piece wing. RTF. Very good cond. All MPX digitals. Pike Plus Carbon. RTF Yellow/LT blue RTF. Good cond. 141s all around. Artemis LT +. STD tail NIB. 5 to choose from w/ballast tubes in the fuse. FAI Chutes. Only 25 left. F3J team selection pilots gets priority, first come first serve. F3J hand winch. Graupner. 2 only F3J winch. Better quality, better gears than above. 2 ea. #200 mono and a few rolls of #150. The #1 Pike and Artemis models are NIB. The others are in very good condition. No junk. If any of these will help you out let me know. Thanks for the space. Good luck to all Tom Copp COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES www.F3X.com ph/fax 949-645 7032
[RCSE] Single crystal?
Does anyone know where I can buy a transmitter crystal w/o having to buy a Tx/Rx set? I vaguely remember mention of a crystal exchange here on RCSE. Can I get a single from them? (I need a Futaba CH57 transmitter Xtal). Woody _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply2
Rick, You can use 10 contests, you can use 100 contests.. the whole idea behind the contest requirement is for the Aspirant to meet and learn form different people, that is why the number of people in the competition is different for each level. The task sheets and the web site are NOT in conflict. The stuff, to which you refer, on the web site, is informational first and foremost. The VOUCHER is the staple. There are no grey areas, no need to read in between the lines, cause there is nothing there.l If you want to be an idiot, and fly 100 contests, Place last in each one to count the points, then so be it... You will have to admit that, even that would take some skill building to accomplish even that task. The Program is designed to be fun, helpful, enjoyable, as well as training aide. It is designed to introduce the aspirant, to many new fascists of soaring, and along the way, meet a few people, and learn something from them. Its nice to have YOUR Principals but, pushing people away from the program, because of drivel like this, does not serve the soaring public, or the hobby in general. Me, I flew a bunch of contests, and recorded only the big point contests. BUT, I had to list six contests. So when I did turn my level IV form in I had well over 10, 000 points, in those six contests. In those days, I was flying 13 major contests a year and a club event every month., Think about it.. To get good I had practice. Does everyone have to do it this way...NOits a personal program...Not Jacks, Ricks, Bills, or anybody else. I by the way just happen to hold the key.for now !! As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed. I am hopeful that you and your friends can now continue you LSF journey, un hampered. Respectfully Jack Strother LSF President At 05:09 PM 8/13/01 -0500, Rick and Jill wrote: - Original Message - From: Rick and Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply Jack, I am not out on a cursade other than to find out the rule. I do not dispute that you may fly as many contests as you require to get 6 that total up to the minimum points. Are you now saying that you can use more than 6 contests to gain your points. In other words, Can I total , say, 10 contests to come up to the min points. Bill Grenoble is of the opinion that a flyer can total 100 contests to come up to the min points if that is what is required to gain that many points. I think the voucher and the site state differently and have always been told that only 6 contests can be used for the total points. Is this incorrect? Can I total 100 contests for my Level IV points? Thanks in advance for your reply Rick Brown - Original Message - From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rick and Jill [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rcse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply Rick, I have been advised by Bill Grenoble, that you are out on some kind of crusade, around the competition requirements of the LSF Aspirant form. AS in evidence of this I am replying to you post to RCSE, In the area of the Comp. Requirements the note that states Minimum of six contests required ;means exactly that !!! It is a minimum ! That must be reflected on the aspirant form. One may, IF one chooses to include only those contests that give one the biggest points, or ONE may include an additional sheet of paper with ALL the penetrant information, on it as displayed on the aspirant from. An aspirant does not have to use only the 6 spaces provided. I am hopeful that you are now clear on the intent and answer provided. Thanks for the opportunity to be of OFFICIAL Assistance Jack Strother LSF President LSF 2948 At 02:25 PM 8/13/01 -0500, Rick and Jill wrote: A question, and disagreement has come up about LSF competition requirements between a friend and myself. On the website and on the voucher is outlined two scoring systems thePlace System and thePoints System. Stated, Two alternative methods of scoring may be used to meet competition requirments. Either the Place System, where a place is recognized to be first(1st, second(2nd), or third(3rd) in the final standings of a contest: or the Competition Points System, where a minimum total of competition points from any six (6) contests may be used.(here I cut out some unimportant, for this matter, info on exactly how the score is derived), and then the last line, A minimum of six (6) contests must be flown no matter which scoring method is used. The question is, when using the Points System, how many contests can be used, basically added together, to come up to the minimum points requirment for a given
Re: Fw: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply2
In a message dated 8/13/2001 7:12:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed. I am hopeful that you and your friends can now continue you LSF journey, un hampered. Respectfully Jack Strother LSF President Thank you Jack, I for one appreciate your time and expertise in solving this matter. And the BAR/CSS AMA soaring club thanks you. Case closed. Bill Grenoble RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: [RCSE] LSF competition requirements...reply3
HEY Life is too short Jack At 07:20 PM 8/13/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/13/2001 7:12:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I am concerned, the subject is closed. I am hopeful that you and your friends can now continue you LSF journey, un hampered. Respectfully Jack Strother LSF President Thank you Jack, I for one appreciate your time and expertise in solving this matter. And the BAR/CSS AMA soaring club thanks you. Case closed. Bill Grenoble RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
