[RCSE] Another plane for sail
Viper 110 inch hollow molded. RG15 Designed by Daryl Perkins. Great for F3F racing or fun flying. Mine was built by RnR. Includes HS 225 servos in the fuse. Airt.141s for the ailerons and Multiplex 3BB for the flaps. Good flying sailplane. Nose cone has a small crack, minor. The tail has a small crack at the hinge near the root. The wing has some dings...there are some handling indentations at the leading edge on the center panel and a repair on one tip panel at about the size of 2 quarters. The hole in the wing for the flap servo is too big but I have flown it with lots of ballast with no problems. Add your receiver, battery and go fly. $400 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Photo of the Viper
Here is a link to see the Viper photo. http://members.tripod.com/douglasturner/id62.htm Thanks, Doug Turner RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes
Good points, Pat. But my take is that strengthening the wings using current materials (ie, CF laminates) is a reasonable and prudent exception to the class rules. Admittedly, us guys who are worried about blowing up their planes on launch [ought to] learn to launch (guilty! ask my flyin' buddies), but you cannot launch the planes as they were designed because the launch eqpt is different nowadays. Ray Hayes, who is unargueably one of the best designers, builders and pilots of this millenium writes at his Nostalgia WebSite: Most clubs are geared to large composit sailplanes, their winches are hot, the tow lines are very heavy 280 lb test, the tow line diameter is extreme and therefore produces excess drag. What does this mean, well it means your light weight RES or Nostalgia sailplane will suffer on launch and it better have well engineered wing spars. This and the fact that RES and Nostalgia Classes cater to large wing spans means not much fun for pilots flying Gentle Ladies and etc.. If your club is interested in promoting the RES-Nostalgia Classes you can probably find someone with a docile winch no longer in use. String it up with 125 lb to 150 lb line, maybe use a 6 volt battery and you will be amazed at the gain in launch height and safety for your pride and joy. For me, this says it all. Indeed, lets keep NOS pure. No spoilers, unless they were in the original plans. If you can use them, no mico servos: must use a full-size servo, string and magnets. Use full size servos for the flight controls. No micro Rx's-- 555's are out, as are modern avionics such as 'puter Tx's and light Nicads. You need to use rubber bands in the wing mounts. No nylon bolts allowed. Monokote covering? If the plans were published before Monokote became available, use tissue and dope. Glues for assembly? No CA. Epoxy and Elmers only. And so on and so forth. I say that the rules, as they were originally developed, are adequate. External mods-- such as the c'bal rudder-- are contrary to the original plans. Spoilers and CF is allowed. Me? I'm going out to fly and have fun... Take care, --Bill From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:18:33 -0500 Jack, I question how one considers a plane to be so Nostalgic when you allow all the modern technologies to the planes in the way of carbon fiber and such. I flew my Windrifters, Sailaires, Drifter II's and such off of winches for years and did not ever blow up a wing on launch. I did blow one up while doing loops but that was because I thought I knew more than Tom Williams at the time and put my shear webs in with the grain running horizontal rather than vertical. No I did not know anything about how a shear web worked but I thought I did. If you are going to have bends in the rules that allow strengthening the wings which does help increase the overall flight envelope of the plane, I find it strange that you do not allow what was very common fixes to a known problem back then to be allowed now. If guys are worried about blowing up their planes on launch then learn to launch. A lot of guys have said it is not about winning but about flying the old birds the way they were. Well a lot of us flew ours with modified rudders so we did not have the common rudder flutter and the wagging tail and the slower turn response and all the other things that went on with the balanced rudder designs. A well built by original design Windrifter spar system would hold up to lots and lots of launches on today's winches doing it the old way with the captured hook and lots of kiting and circle towing. I had many of launches in those days when there was no line left on the spool and the plane was almost straight up over the turn around. So if you want to argue about Nostalgia then lets keep them all totally old fashioned and let the games begin. Just my 2 cents worth. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: Jack Iafret [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes I myself am running a counterbalanced rudder on my Paragon as per the rules (my first Paragon had it eliminated, non-legal) and I can tell you it is a pain in the backside, but that is the way the rules are written. It's a pain because it flutters on launch and breaks a lot but I have just outlined the structure in CF to see if that helps. Not much you can do with sticks on an open bay structure so I launch a little less severe. BTW, I will be sending out an announcement for rules change proposals next month if you feel strongly, add this to the list to be voted on. I for one would not like to see a lot of little exceptions, like this, to the rules as that
[RCSE] Super V 100
I accidently deleted the post, but the individual who had the Super V 100 for sale, I'll take it. gv RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Thermal Days
How does one pick days to go flying with thermals. I'm looking at the forecast for the next 5 days and what makes the most sense to me is to pick a day with a high UV 7+ and a temperature change of more that 20 degrees from low to high. What are your thoughts? This is the page I'm looking at http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/local_index?nav=home Patrick Lanphier The Artemis Group http://www.artemisgroup.com phone: 235-0444 fax: 800-582-9710 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Attention LSF'ers and other Friends
Yesterday I announced the publication of the Latest and greatest issues of Shortlines, The quarterly publication of the LSF located at http://silentflight.org/SHORTLINES/LSFvol22001.pdf I did find an error in the way the election of officers cycle works, relative to the by-laws. This has been corrected and republished. I apologize for any confusion. Please revisit the above link, for the straight scoop. Thanks for the bandwidth and your support. Jack Strother LSF President RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes
Hey Fellas, I have been taking this all in. It appears to me that the rules were invented by a super guy, with a specific goal in mind. The rules are clear and concise with a lot of thought put into them. Why put your self through all this guff ? For my way of thinking, Leave the NOS rules the way they are, period the following quote is just as much bull as the No Skeg rule that weaseled its way into RES. No spoilers, unless they were in the original plans. If you can use them, no mico servos: must use a full-size servo, string and magnets. Use full size servos for the flight controls. No micro Rx's-- 555's are out, as are modern avionics such as 'puter Tx's and light Nicads. You need to use rubber bands in the wing mounts. No nylon bolts allowed. Monokote covering? If the plans were published before Monokote became available, use tissue and dope. Glues for assembly? No CA. Epoxy and Elmers only. Lets take a look at what is good for the hobby as a whole, Not through the eyes of personal / egotistic desires of a few. In a hundred years nobodies gonna care anyway !! IMOHO Jack At 10:10 AM 8/18/01 -0500, Bill Harris wrote: Good points, Pat. But my take is that strengthening the wings using current materials (ie, CF laminates) is a reasonable and prudent exception to the class rules. Admittedly, us guys who are worried about blowing up their planes on launch [ought to] learn to launch (guilty! ask my flyin' buddies), but you cannot launch the planes as they were designed because the launch eqpt is different nowadays. Ray Hayes, who is unargueably one of the best designers, builders and pilots of this millenium writes at his Nostalgia WebSite: Most clubs are geared to large composit sailplanes, their winches are hot, the tow lines are very heavy 280 lb test, the tow line diameter is extreme and therefore produces excess drag. What does this mean, well it means your light weight RES or Nostalgia sailplane will suffer on launch and it better have well engineered wing spars. This and the fact that RES and Nostalgia Classes cater to large wing spans means not much fun for pilots flying Gentle Ladies and etc.. If your club is interested in promoting the RES-Nostalgia Classes you can probably find someone with a docile winch no longer in use. String it up with 125 lb to 150 lb line, maybe use a 6 volt battery and you will be amazed at the gain in launch height and safety for your pride and joy. For me, this says it all. Indeed, lets keep NOS pure. No spoilers, unless they were in the original plans. If you can use them, no mico servos: must use a full-size servo, string and magnets. Use full size servos for the flight controls. No micro Rx's-- 555's are out, as are modern avionics such as 'puter Tx's and light Nicads. You need to use rubber bands in the wing mounts. No nylon bolts allowed. Monokote covering? If the plans were published before Monokote became available, use tissue and dope. Glues for assembly? No CA. Epoxy and Elmers only. And so on and so forth. I say that the rules, as they were originally developed, are adequate. External mods-- such as the c'bal rudder-- are contrary to the original plans. Spoilers and CF is allowed. Me? I'm going out to fly and have fun... Take care, --Bill From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Counterbalanced rudders on Nostalgia planes Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:18:33 -0500 Jack, I question how one considers a plane to be so Nostalgic when you allow all the modern technologies to the planes in the way of carbon fiber and such. I flew my Windrifters, Sailaires, Drifter II's and such off of winches for years and did not ever blow up a wing on launch. I did blow one up while doing loops but that was because I thought I knew more than Tom Williams at the time and put my shear webs in with the grain running horizontal rather than vertical. No I did not know anything about how a shear web worked but I thought I did. If you are going to have bends in the rules that allow strengthening the wings which does help increase the overall flight envelope of the plane, I find it strange that you do not allow what was very common fixes to a known problem back then to be allowed now. If guys are worried about blowing up their planes on launch then learn to launch. A lot of guys have said it is not about winning but about flying the old birds the way they were. Well a lot of us flew ours with modified rudders so we did not have the common rudder flutter and the wagging tail and the slower turn response and all the other things that went on with the balanced rudder designs. A well built by original design Windrifter spar system would hold up to lots and lots of launches on today's winches doing it the old way with the captured hook and lots of kiting and circle towing. I had many of launches in those days when there was no line left on the spool and the plane was almost
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?
In a message dated 8/17/01 1:07:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bob, One of my objectives in proposing the RES class was to provide aircraft such as that a class in which to fly. Yes, I think RES has gotten away from the original intent. The SAM guys have some good ideas for preserving old designs. They allow scaleing--up or down--for various classes. Eg. .020 free flights and 1/2-A Texaco planes are all scaled down OT free flight designs. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] F3B Scar FOR SALE
Add your receiver crystal and fly!!! All Volz servos, Airtronics PCM receiver, battery, ballast and carrying case. $1050 (includes shipping in CONUS) Email me for details. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] F3J Towmen, Linebackers Cheerleaders
BTW, Steve Meyer and Jim Bacus in cheerleader dresses and with their hair down DON'T COUNT! Unless they're chasing the towmen. H.there's a scene right out of The Benny Hill Show! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Charger Recommendations
Okay, an often visited topic. I want to buy a real charging system. I'd like: 1) Support for NiMH and NiCad 2) Charge Rx (4 or 5 cell), Tx (8 cell?), and motor packs (10 to 20 cell?) 3) Maybe multiple packs simultaneously 4) Field charging or AC input 5) Cycling 6) Capacity voltage readings 7) Reasonable ordering timeframe (no multi-month waiting lists please!) So what should I buy? I don't presume that there is ONE box that does all this. So if not, then what combination of units fits the bill? Thanks for any suggestions. -- James .-_--. James R. Osborn * [EMAIL PROTECTED]| \/ \ | Up and Running LLC * http://www.upandrunningit.com |-. \ _ /\\_/ | Computer and Information Technology Support | '-.\ / \\/| (510) 649-1453 Office * (510) 548-2463 Fax| ' \_/ | `' RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Windfree
A Windfree kit from the '70's, untouched, is it worth buying for about $80 ? Any comments on this kit ? I don't intend to use it for competition, but it seems to have been quite a good plane. Stefan. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Charger Recommendations
James Osborn wrote: So what should I buy? I don't presume that there is ONE box that does all this. So if not, then what combination of units fits the bill? You need two: a slow charger and a fast field charger. Litco Alpha4 - best slow charger/cycler - handles 4 rx/tx packs at the same time - 1 to 12 cells - 1 Amp max output - 1 Amp max discharge cycler - charges small lead-acid batteries - floats a winch battery FMA supernova - best fast charger for the $$ - single output - 1 to 25 cells - 5 Amp max output (enough for 20 minute charge of 1600 mAh pack) - 3 amp max discharge cycler - charges small lead-acid batteries - floats a winch battery Tekin BC112 - highest output I know of - single output - 10 amp max output (enough for 20 minute charge of 3300 mAh pack) -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Windfree
If you're not buying it as a collectible, you might want to check out the new version of the Windfree that Skybench sells. www.skybench.com , then click the link for RES, Nostalgia kits. $60, laser cut ribs, CAD plans. Sotos Newport News, VA - Original Message - From: Stefan Smets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: [RCSE] Windfree A Windfree kit from the '70's, untouched, is it worth buying for about $80 ? Any comments on this kit ? I don't intend to use it for competition, but it seems to have been quite a good plane. Stefan. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] need help with Stylus flying wings
Hi, I seen this same question was posted a little while back but with no replies back to the group. I have a Stylus with Glider Card, what's the best programming method for setting up flying wings, (c-mix, v-tail, or aircraft type) ? Appreciate any help, DAve RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Charger Recommendations
James Osborn wrote: Okay, an often visited topic. I want to buy a real charging system. I'd like: Sorry James, but the best charger around IS the Alpha 4. So what there is a wait, get on the list at the next opening. After all what are you doing now? I use this for everything from modeling to cycling cell phone batteries. The wait time goes pretty fast actually. Litco's delivery time is accurate so you will know when you date is coming. You won't be disappointed. Just do it and you'll be signing the praises in a few months. Darwin N. Barrie Scottsdale AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
