Re: [RCSE] BSS Lexington Contest.a biased report !!
At 09:58 AM 8/26/2002, Jack Strother wrote: Cliff saying to me, something like: Jack I know you are a good flyer, but is the ICON really that good of an airplane. I told him that it was my MPX 4000, that made the airplane really go. Jack, stop the mind foobar on Cliff and tell him the real truth, it's the wing art. Paul Siegle will not pay $2500.00 for an Icon, and Peg Remus does not get a commission !! Paul is the only guy I know that bailed from the ICON list when his model was up. Oh, how he regrets that now... 8-))) Next year is soon, Paul. Congrats to Capn' Jack and Jerry Shape on their wins, I only wish I could have been there but back to back away contests in Dayton and then Lexington for a Chicago guy is just impossible to schedule one weekend prior to labor day. P.S. Capn', looks like you and I for a shootout for the final OVSS glass eagle, and we both have wood tools and we both have evil inside ICON's. I already have more series points than the current OVSS champion Paul Siegel won with in 2001. Will it be enough... I doubt it, it's going to be higher scoring and close. Could it be fun in three weeks... oh you bet. Check out the current OVSS standings maintained by Steve Siebenaler at www.siebenaler.net Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Aluminum Rod stuck in Aluminum Tube :-(
You see this all the time with Hobie Hawks after a wing rod bend and it galls trying to remove it. I usually fix mine by drilling out the old rod and then drilling the aluminum tube so a brass tube of the right size can be glued in the tube. This allows the aluminum wing rod to be removed with no problems. This is why you find most bushings and solid bearings to be a soft material while the part inside them will be hard. Whoever designed sex must have been a materials engineer since they got the concept right. I hate galling. Mark http://www.isthmusmodels.com --- Bill Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, an Alum to Alum wing rod is a sure fire way to cause trouble. I'm sure I'll hear from 96 people who have done this for 46 years with no trouble at all. But, putting two close fit parts made of similar materials together without a lubricant is asking for trouble, and aluminum is soft and often troublesome. I'm sure the intent is to save weight, but is a peice of brass tubing all that much heavier? .bc([EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.widomaker.com/~conk Williamsburg, VA 23185 On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Miron Popescu wrote: Pack the rod in ice for 10 -15 minutes MP - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: [RCSE] Aluminum Rod stuck in Aluminum Tube :-( I got a wing rod for my Gambler wing but it needed some sanding to get it to fit in one side. The tube is aluminum also. I sanded it and cleaned the rod real good, and it went it but at the last inch it got a little tight, not bad, didn' t have to force it and figured it would wear in. But when I went to get it out it wouldn't come. I twisted and pulled but after about two twists it's locked tight. as in I can hear the tube making cracking sounds. Any ideas on how to free it up? Short of drilling it? Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Reply ...LOL
EVIL INSIDE 8-) Jack At 10:56 AM 8/26/2002 -0500, James V. Bacus wrote: At 09:58 AM 8/26/2002, Jack Strother wrote: Cliff saying to me, something like: Jack I know you are a good flyer, but is the ICON really that good of an airplane. I told him that it was my MPX 4000, that made the airplane really go. Jack, stop the mind foobar on Cliff and tell him the real truth, it's the wing art. Paul Siegle will not pay $2500.00 for an Icon, and Peg Remus does not get a commission !! Paul is the only guy I know that bailed from the ICON list when his model was up. Oh, how he regrets that now... 8-))) Next year is soon, Paul. Congrats to Capn' Jack and Jerry Shape on their wins, I only wish I could have been there but back to back away contests in Dayton and then Lexington for a Chicago guy is just impossible to schedule one weekend prior to labor day. P.S. Capn', looks like you and I for a shootout for the final OVSS glass eagle, and we both have wood tools and we both have evil inside ICON's. I already have more series points than the current OVSS champion Paul Siegel won with in 2001. Will it be enough... I doubt it, it's going to be higher scoring and close. Could it be fun in three weeks... oh you bet. Check out the current OVSS standings maintained by Steve Siebenaler at www.siebenaler.net Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level III ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Bozo is back and mad as hell...
Yes sports fans its true...The One and Only Bozo is back...Oh joy. The rumors of the demise of T.P. has reached his ears and he is mad as hell... So all of you guys can put your big guns away, call off your law suits... Bozo will take care of the problem... Can some one tell me... just how high is that cliff at T.P. Your Friend Bozo and remember... You get the plane you deserve. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] gliders for sale
Selling some of my toys on ebay to buy another one. All are ready to fly. Art Hobby Andromeda http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1761303709ssPageName=ADM E:B:LC:US:1 Sledgers Electric Hawk http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1761353805ssPageName=ADM E:B:LC:US:1 Thermofluegel ASW 27 3.6 m http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1761870207ssPageName=ADM E:B:LC:US:1 Art Hobby Sierra kit http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1761361210ssPageName=ADM E:B:LC:US:1 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 9C 90 deg. flap
Are you sure about that? On my 8U all that does is offset the throttle position where the butterfly mode will take effect. So, for example, if you set it to 90%, nothing will happen until you move the stick down below 90% of it's movement. It does nothing to change the actual position or offset of the flaps. Perhaps I'm missing something. Les and Gypsy Stockley wrote: Your 8U already does this. Look in ADV menu, BFLY submenu, use the cursor keys to go across to ABK, push throttle/flap stick to full up or desired position, press both data input keys together, at full up stick it will read 100% offset. Done and 2 spare mixes now. If you do this on an already installed set up dont forget to disconnect the flap linkages first! Les. From: mpodder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] 9C 90 deg. flap To anyone using the new Futaba 9C. I am replacing my Super 8 with a 9C, from Servo City great price, that hasn't been delivered yet. On the Super 8 to get 90 deg flaps you had to use to mixers to off set chanels 5 and 6. Does this still have to be done on the new 9C or is the off set included in the butterfly mix? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] R/C Slope and Power Homepage http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page http://members.nbci.com/bjaffee/extra300/ OnTheWay Quake 3 Server Utility http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway _ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] JR 8103 Programming
This is the way I programmed my 8103 on my ASH-27. In fact, I have the retract and the tow release on one channel. It needs to be on the gear switch to drive AUX3. There isn't a way to disable that switch from driving AUX3. My count of channels is like this (from memory): 1. Spoilers 2. Aileron 1 3. Elevator 4. Rudder 5. Aileron 2 6. Flap 1 7. Flap 2 8. Retract, tow release To use an 8103 for a picolario, you'd have to combine either the flaps or ailerons on one channel. -Ben At 11:03 PM 8/24/2002 -0600, C C Hahn wrote: I am in the process of trying to program my JR 8103 radio in a scale 4-meter ASH26 with a 9 channel NER-549X reciever. Problem is, I have flaps, ailerons, spoilers, rudder, elevator, AND a retract. I have everything programmed and working fairly well with crow, reflex, and camber control, but I cannot seem to get the retract set up on any channel but AUX3 (the only one available). However, with the retract servo plugged into this channel the gear goes up or down when I flip the butterfly switch on the upper-left side of TX. Help! this is maddening! Is there anybody out there who has set up a scale ship with the above mentioned functions on a JR 8103 radio? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. HahnSolo RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] New Contest Class
I get mine just as soon as you ship that evil red thing!!! Thanks for the donation!!! I'll be holding my breath awaiting the arrival... Oh yeah you are right about being the only ICON I guess I needed to say that the new class would be... ICON/Sharon Thumbs ONLY!!! Anyway good flying with ya this weekend!!! Joe Original Message Follows From: Jack Strother [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe G [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Contest Class Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:30:20 -0400 Joe, there was only one Icon ther. mine. But I do like the one Design contest. When do you get yours: 8-) Jack At 10:02 AM 8/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: Fellow Glider Guiders... Well I finally got to see, close up, a couple of ICON's in action at the Lexington KY. Contest this weekend, at least one of them was equipped with a vario no less. What legs that thing has!!! Which leads me to suggest that we need a new contest class in the Unlimited arena... Current Classes Sportsman Grey Expert New Class ICON's ONLY Yea I am saying that the guys flying those things are at a advantage and should be in a class by themselves (Not that it would help this dumb thumb pilot that much) but it sure would give some of the guys with those cheap $1K airframes a chance to have a class win without spending that additional $800... Think I'm just envious don't ya... Well you may be right... Okay, Okay no maybe about it... Anyone got one of them ICON thingies they wanna send to a good home for CHEAP??? I'll volunteer to take it off your hands and reduce the metal stress of having to perform up to the ability of the ICON. Not that I can get my skills up that high but hell I'll give it a try... For shipping info for those Icon donations pleae email me off list... But all kidding aside, I saw some great flying, in fairly challenging conditions, this weekend. A BIG THANKS to the BSS guys for another great contest!!! Joe Gullett Spring Hill, Tennessee _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] New Contest Class..not really :-)
New Class ICON's ONLY Yea I am saying that the guys flying those things are at a advantage and should be in a class by themselves Joe's gushing is justified in that the Icon is a gorgeous and it is 'right' in its abilities...and definitely worth the money. However, take a look at the score card to find that Bruce's old (5years) repaired, Psycho 3 got a few more points (about 40),and Jerry's FUSION (not Compulsion) managed a few more than the Psycho. (Joe's being pretty modest about his own Molded Psycho which put is a couple of pretty tough flights this weekend!) (not to mention that there are a few 'baggies' on the West Coast whooping up on all the moldies , so maybe it took creating an 'ultimate' weapon just to keep up with them:-) So lets keep the gushing slightly under control :-)...and remember that Jack is a pretty decent pilot (LSF5!) and has done as well with Cobra's and others. I repeat so no need to argue... the Icon is worth the moneyeasily the prettiest Vertical Stab lines I have ever seen short of an America's Cup sail :-) Gordy For the record :-)
Re: [RCSE] Aquila Wing Rod
Kent Miller, CMC wrote: I misplaced the wingrod for my Airtronics Aquila. It is 7/32 dia. and 8 3/4 in in length. Where might I find a replacement? If it is a straght rod, go to McMaster-Carr http://.mcmaster.com/ Type in ejector pin in the search box to open the catalog page with item #93772A245, a 10 inch ejector pin for $5.36 USD. As in my previous posts on the subject, cut the head off with a rotary tool, and grind/sand/polish the ends to be slightly rounded. You'll end up with one heckuva nice wingrod :) -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] What is/means LSF5?? Enlightenment please!!
Hi guys, could someone please enlighten me about these LSF - things. I read it several times but couldn't really figure out what it could be - some sort of badge like the Silver C in full scale soaring?? TIA Wolfram RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] about receipt request
Dudley, I am not a mail spammer, what happens is that for bussines purposues I have set up my mail program to always request acknowledge and sometimes I forget to disable it when I post to RCSE. If you are using Microsoft outlook or Outlook Express, you also can set up as default not to answer and or not inform you about it. have a nice day -Mensaje original- De: Dudley Dufort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: lunes, 26 de agosto de 2002 9:13 Para: Oscar Taboada Asunto: Re: [RCSE] How much power for the winch? Oscar, turn off your receipt request. The constant reply request attached to your messages is getting on my nerves. Why are you collecting e-mail addresses? Are you a spammer? Oscar Taboada wrote: I am not sure about the meaning of real balls.. but maybe I have them : I have one bearing at each side of the drum and a flexible conection between the motor axel and the drum axel is that what you mean with real balls? thanks everybody for your comments -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: viernes, 23 de agosto de 2002 18:30 Para: Oscar Taboada CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [RCSE] How much power for the winch? Sorry to hear about the broken Windfree. Great plane, a little weak in the joiner department, tho. Is your winch too powerful? Hmmm. Let's se now, We have a Chevy truck starter motor, mystery P/N of UNKNOWN power. Maybe less, maybe more than the good ol'Ford LS motors we use so often. You are right about the smaller (2) drum size producing more torque and less line speed than a larger (3) drum. This is not a bad thing or a good thing. It's like asking if 2nd gear is better than 1st gear. You are also right that the line has a lot to do with it. Nylon is stretchier and more forgiving than other material like Dacron, Spectra, or steel. Monofilament has even more stretch. (mi gusta!) The Windfree is notorious for having a lightweight wing joiner system. It is wimpy by today's standards. You expert friend was probably used to a different winch. A lot of us go by how the motor sounds, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!! and everybody knows that Chevys sound different than Fords... During his launch, you mentioned that he stopped running the winch for 2 or 3 seconds, then got on it again. This could easily put undue shock on ANY wing and cause it to fold up. You can easily measure the RPM of your winch with an optical tachometer. (power guys have these) These tachometers have a photocell in them and you point it at the spinning propeller. The photocell counts how many times the beam sees a dark line.(the prop blade) Just put a strip of black electrician's tape on the drum to fool the tach into thinking it is looking at a propeller. Launch your sailplane as you usually do, and have your lovely assistant take the measurement with the tach. You will find that the RPM will change at different parts of the launch. Most of the AMA style winches in the US use the Ford Longshaft motor driving a 3 diameter hub. I am not sure how 3 was decided, but that's what we will find at the LSF NATS, as well as most all of the major contests on both east and west coast. I have built a few custom winches with smaller and larger hub diameters, and it has been my observation that the smaller 2 hub works just fine, perhaps drawing less current per launch. The Ford motor with no load turns about 3800 RPM (4200+ with Real Balls)and a 3 diameter drum shows between 750rpm and 2000rpm during a typical launch. This suggests that the motor is loaded down plenty. If I were to put a 2 drum on the same motor and launch the same way, the overall RPM would be increased, and the current draw would be less. It would also SOUND DIFFERENT!!! After you determine your launch RPM, you can easily calculate your line speed. RPM X circumference of drum. This will give something to compare. Good thing your motor didn't have Real Balls!!! Doc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dudley Oscar Taboada wrote: I am not sure about the meaning of real balls.. but maybe I have them : I have one bearing at each side of the drum and a flexible conection between the motor axel and the drum axel is that what you mean with real balls? thanks everybody for your comments -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: viernes, 23 de agosto de 2002 18:30 Para: Oscar Taboada CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [RCSE] How much power for the winch? Sorry to hear about the broken Windfree. Great plane, a little weak in the joiner department, tho. Is your winch too powerful? Hmmm. Let's se now, We have a Chevy truck starter motor, mystery P/N of UNKNOWN power. Maybe less, maybe more than the good ol'Ford LS motors we use so often. You are right about the
[RCSE] wing rods and sleeve tubes MM
I'm looking for a steel 5 mm wing rod and sleeve tube in aluminum or brass.?? where can I find these? Thanks for ther space. LeeCox-Nevada, U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes
