Re: A FREE PLANE!!! was Re: [RCSE] Beginner sailplane recommendations
On Sat, 27 May 2006, Bill Johns wrote: On May 27, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Jim Laurel wrote: Years ago I would have suggested a Highlander, but they are no more and there don't seem to be any really credible (i.e., decent performing) foamies. Speaking of Highlanders That's what I learned flying a full house plane with. I actually trashed one on a zoom launch into a stiff wind. That's significant because they are nearly indestructible. ;-) Mark is going to make another production run of Highlanders soon. Check out: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516529 if you want to get one. Arne RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Beginner Sailplane recommendation
Ok, lets get down to the two standards of the industry for a trainer. First off it should be recognized that building the glider will teach the beginner most of the basics and give him or here the knowledge of what to look for in a future kit or RTF. The Lee Renaud / Airtronics Olympic II and the Olympic 650, I believe have been used to get more glider pilots started in the right direction. They are inexpensive easy to build fly great and can be repaired if something should go wrong. The Oly II is larger has better visibilityand is a little more forgiving than the 2 Meter 650. The Oly II is available from Ray Hays at www.skybench.com the Oly 650 will be available shortly from www.aerosphereonline.com EW. Ed WhyteWHYTE WINGS7207 Cornerstone DriveCaledonia, MI 49316-7879616 698 8668 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: [RCSE] Re: Beginner Sailplane recommendation I see it now, the suggestions are going to keep escalating to higher-performing and more expensive planes. Forgetting that the user is going to be a youngster first-timer. And suggesting slope oriented planes for thermalling seems weird to me. Not that it's impossible, but because it makes little sense to me in the context of the target user. Very inexperienced newbies I know of tend to need lightweight gasbag planes, and preferably poly ships that are as stable as possible. You guys seem to forget that most of you are elite flyers and high performance ships are your normal stock in trade. I work the lower end myself, and am quite happy with 2-meter 2-channel poly floaters with inexpensive gear. I think that that direction is a good one for beginners as well. If you put an EPP nose on a Gentle Lady fuse and traded the GL wing for one with an EPP leading edge, carbon tube spar and main cores of styrene, I think you'd have my perfect trainer.
[RCSE] New MXC
A picture of the all new cross country ship, the MXC from RnR, can be seen on the SVSS web site. http://www.svss.org/news.htm RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?
Just thought I would let everyone know, I called Denny and got a winddancer. I will be building that after the polecat aeroevent. In the mean while I have to DLG's that need to be built. JayOn 5/24/06, Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gang, I like a good debate as much as anyone, but am I missing something here? It seems to me the motor just allows you to get to altitude without a winch/histart hassle. I will admit I prefer motor off flying, but don't have the time to set up winches/histarts. To me once you are in the air withoug power you are soaring. If that's not the case or if electric sailplane discussions don't fit here then I will lurk until I am ready to soar. Having said that, I am going to focus on some DLG's. Hopefully intime for the Polecat aero. I see little difference between, DLG, electric or winch/towed/pulled/histart sailplanes. We are all trying to catch thermals. JayOn 5/24/06, Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan,Get used to it Ryan. Just fly your Toys and enjoy. If you don't have twoor three $2000 molded ARF you are not part of soaring. The AMA is finallyrecognizing the fact that electrics are coming on strong and that they may cut them selves off if they don't get on the bandwagon. It will take longerfor some.John-Original Message-From: notify@yahoogroups.com [mailto: notify@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfrdwoebkeSent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:06 AMTo: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Re: ADVICE NEEDED: Lightest electric 2m with landing control?--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: \ On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fact is this..no one on this list actually dabbles with electricgliders of any sort, the exception are the guys who have an F5J Sp400competition ship, the model alone without gear starts at $350, and they need a minimum 8 channel computer TX.Huh?I know a number of guys on this list (including myself) thatfly electric gliders.I'm not sure what was in your Korn Flakes thismorning, but that is not correct. If Jay wants to actually build from plans (as opposed to a kit, hefirst said build from plans) the Allegro Lite would be an option.Kits (he also mentions some kits), there are several out there thatwould work.Wind Dancer, Crysalis would be good, Ray's 2 meter Bird, etc.Ryan I guess I fly toy's according to Gordy WoebkenbergRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe andunsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note thatsubscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Beginner Sailplane foam
I have to agree with Aero-Mark. The EasyGlider has the classic looks of the sailplanes we all fly. The Easystar, which I personally think looks ugly, has an advantage in that rear-mounted motor and prop will survive beginner crashes better than a front-mount. I really like the idea of a wing with the EPP leading edge for survivability, and everything behind the spar being EPS Styrofoam for light weight and smoother airfoil contour. I have a discus-launched boomer HLG that's designed this way. Being a flying wing, weight behind the Cg is extra-critical anyway, but this combo construction makes a sturdy, well-performing flat bottom wing that's less heavy and floppy than an all-EPP one. Yet is as easy to fix. I used to have the Renaud book and plans for the Oly 650, and yes it was a great plane in it's day, and might still make a good second plane/first actual build for a youngster after he's trained up on a foamie ARF. One of my best glider experiences were with three all-Styrofoam Hobby Shack Spirit of 76 2-meter planes. These were dirt cheap to buy and assemble, and were forgiving and rugged. Looked good while flying too, like a real sailplane of the 70's era. Came with an all-flying h-stab. I could spend many happy hours out there with the plane, a histart, some UFO and kicker or 5-minute epoxy and cloth, and there was no crash I couldn't field-repair in 15 minutes or less...I mostly only got launching and landing practice on them, but not because the plane was bad, it was because I was completely self-taught and thermalling skills were nowhere to be bought. I understand Hobby Shack (now Hobby-People) was making a modern version of the Spirit of 76 out of EPP just a year or two back, but they never seem to mention it in the catalogs or anywhere any more...
Re: [RCSE] Anthony Utley
Don't know if Larry Ruble is on this list, you left your AMA cards at Wood Crafters. Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Denny Zech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: [RCSE] Anthony Utley If anyone has his address I have his AMA card I would like to mail to him. Please respond privately so his address isn't broadcast. thanks, Denny Zech L.O.F.T. Fort Wayne, IN LSF II RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Flew the Heaviest Carbon Supra in the World Today!
I can't even believe that some guys don' t have a Super AVAit is sooo relaxing when you got up about 2,200'...to be able to see it! That big wing and vertical really helps. We had a Supera day today in Louisville...Hot and muggy, not much wind, but some nice thermal development. Our webmaster Ben Wilson, took the new Bubble Dancer kit plane out for a LSF4 one hour flight. Tony Utley battled for his 30min but the cycles at that time were too far apart to hold it together. He's flying his new AVA and loving it. Bruce Davidson, Ken, Ben and Brian (Louisville's DLG Mob) had Polecat planesworking hard when I pulled up. I charged up my Supra but today was supposed to be all about my new (old) Laser 2m. I did it up to look just exactly like my other Volz powered planesBlue fuse, white wings with red tips and 'canopy'd" like my Supra I worked on painting and primping it all last nite till about 3 in morningbut when I got to the field one of the Airtronic 141's that had been in it since its birth in the Chicago area likely 10 years ago, decided to get finickyso it only got its graduation photos taken today :-( Tonite I'll drop in some original version Micro Maxx...no digitals in this baby:-) At the end of the day the thermals topped out at about 200' (very clear from the bird traffic)...so I figured it was as good of a time as any to wring out the World's Heaviest Carbon Supra :) I put up three flights, that never got more than that 200', the cores were tiny and bouyant. The Supra is s nimble and easy to read, and I think forgiving, or I should say lets you off the hook if you make a speed mistake, in that you can dropits nose for some quick save your butt anti stall speed or quickly straighen a wing tip, or kick the tail around to avoid getting caught on the bad sink side of a thermal turn, that was outside the center core. About the heavy weight...after those 3 10min flights I am pretty sure I could have gotten 10:01 had it been a lighter version :-) Want to see a photo of my new old Laser? Shoot me a reply and I'll send it to you. It is looking very 'downtown' :-) Gordy Louisville today
[RCSE] Supra - Carbon or Glass
Should I get the Carbon or Glass version? I fly TD only, F3J is not in my plans. I launch fairly hard, but not to the extreme. How much stronger is the carbon wing? Which is heavier? Is it worth $300 for the carbon? TIA
