[RCSE] **Wanted** Supra Nose Cone
**Wanted** Supra Nose Cone I need a Spare Nosecone to make up a Rubber Tire Landing Nosecone for Astro Turf Landings at one of our Fields Need a Spare Supra Nose Cone for Applying a Rubber Tire Tread RC Truck Tire for Landing on Carpet at one of out Local TD Fields.. Mike.M New Supra Owner Let me know what you have thanks..Used or New Got Paypal also.. Got Milk?? got Supra?? Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra or Onyx JW??
Aww take a couple asprins and lay down a while. I'm sure you'll get up feelin' a little better. Folks are just havin' fun, for as you know kicks just keep gettin' harder to find.. ;o) Brian I've got to quickly get closer to my toilet...I think I'm going to PUKE~ JW? Onyx? Benchmarks You gotta be kiddin' me. PUKE damn it! Weav RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Aerologic
Has anyone used Aerologic software? http://www.aerologic.com/ JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA
Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra or Onyx JW??
JW? Onyx? Benchmarks You gotta be kiddin' me. PUKE I have gone threw a bottle of Dramamine since this thread started just can't get the taste out of my mouth. You remember the Hera and Artemis first euro molded AMA TD friendly production sailplanes that fit the American market needs. 1. Weight 2. Size 3. Strength 4. Model QUALITY 5. Value under $800. for a quality Breta model I still have my Artemis XLT 57oz 6 years old and still looks like the day I bought it and I continue to launch and fly just as hard. To me this model has proven the test of time and this 57oz molded model was ahead of it's time!! this is a benchmark model. joe
[RCSE] For SALE Airtronics Stylus Radio
Airtronics Stylus Radio - $375. Includes Glider Card Memory Card Airtronics radio case - not hobby shack case this one is the real deal. Red Anodized stick ends extra TX battery Stylus glider card manual this radio looks almost new great Xmas gift I will throw in a extra Stylus RF module no charge. Joe Rodriguez Surf City Automotive Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 714-322-4926
[RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Fred, I agree with your opinion. I read the threads and had to take a larger overview to what a benchmark actually means. In my opinion, Benchmark planes, means some plane to which other planes are compared to so that a noticeable advancement in performance, building, transport, and flying can be measured. They should be unique and contribute unique characteristics. With that said, the Onyz, or Sharon, or Supra, in fact nearly 99% of the planes on the market currently are really just refinements to existing designs, and really are not improvements. The problem with benchmarks is that they generally last a very short time, perhaps only one contest, or one weekend of flying. Why? Because if any improvement is so radical that it makes the plane fly 3-6% better, it will be incorporated into the next generation model, or an existing model, and it's distinctiveness rapidly lost. So, in my opinion, the following might be considered benchmarks: 1) The Nelson KA6. You know this plane. It is perhaps the first fully fiberglass and molded, aerobatic, 12 ft R/C sailplane of the 1970's. 2) The Graupner Cirrus. Again in the 1970's, it was the first fully plastic molded fuselage. It has ailerons, flying stab, was very light for it's time. 3) The EPP Zagi wing: I look at this as the first time we could fly combat with a wing and not have to spend so much time in the shop fixing planes. Besides the durability (a benchmark), EPP would permit a lot of PSS planes to be made, and got a lot of simulator pilots and computer geeks out to the slope. 4) The Aquila: When Skip Miller added a semisymmetrical airfoil to the plane, we saw the advent of new types of airfoils being used that provided greater range. 5) The Mirage: Designed by Blaine Rawdon, this was one of the early designs that spurred lightweight floater sailplanes. It also started the thick vs Thin debate, started winch development to the strong ones we have today. It spurred first the thick flat bottomed sections, but later as CF was put in the spars, lead to the planes that we currently fly today. An Ava or Bubble Dancer, etc, is nothing more than a tricked up Mirage. 6) SWK MK I: You probably don't know this model, but it was designed by Jerry Krainock and flown by him to several cross country distance records prior to Joe Wurts' current records. I had a thick airfoil, was foam cored, and was very fast. 7) The Sunbird: Dave Thornburg designed this early HLG, but this HLG was not the first, nor the best HLG, out there for its time. It did have a big influence in getting HLG going, as did the Mirage and others. Most other HLGs, in my opinion, just refinements. 8) The Upstart: The Upstart was the first DLG used in competition. Tip launching was first pioneered by Dick Barker and Harold Locke, in Seattle, and Dick Barker used the launching method to be able to keep up with the overhand throws of Joe Wurts and the rest. When EVERYONE else realized that they could use this method, most effectively by adding a gyro to their current planes, DLG became the only method for launching. Gyros are now gone by good DLG design and airfoiled tailgroups, but overall the UpStart was the benchmark. It did not last long. 9) The Todi: Bob Dodgsen brought out this first flaperon ship, which used mechanical mixers for the flaperons. The Ace MicroPro TX as well as early JR radio designs permitted planes to be built with electronic rather than mechanical mixers. The Todi represented the first time a TD plane could use airfoil camber for tasks. So, EVERY TD ship that uses any sort of aileron and flap changing owes it's existence to the Todi. They are refinements. 10) The Challenger: Designed by Otto Heitdecker, this large flapperon plane was a precursor to the subsequent larger Maestro designs of Dodgsen. Otto was a dominating pilot of the SOAR nats years. He can be compared to all of us that fly molded flapped ship today. 11) Sitars/Dohle: German designs, they were early precursors to F3B ships, molded, new HQ airfoils, flapped. Basically it showed that multiple models from the same molds can be made for competition and all fly the same. 12) Hobie Hawk: Designed by Hobie Alder, the plane represented one of the first mass produced composite laminated planes. It spurred vacuum bagging techniques, as well as foam cutting and fiberglass skins, then CF use. It was not a great contest winner, but the building techniques it used lead to what we currently are refining today. 13) Rolf Decker Designs: I cannot quote which planes were built by Rolf Decker, but Rolf had some of the first really great F3B molded planes. For example, he had a F3B plane that had telescoping wings. For speed it pulled the wings in and for thermaling, they were expanded. The building techniques, airfoils, and plane moments in current F3B designs have origins here. 14) Thermic 50: This is a Goldberg
RE: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Ryan, Correct, The Uplink was Dick's plane. Fiberglass wings, T-Tail, Tip launched. The Upstart was a foamie by Dave Robelyn, I believe, manufactured for Ace, I think. Apologies to Dick. If someone want to see a pictire of the UpLink Click here: http://www.spieltek.com/images/DB-Uplink10.jpg Additionally, my list is not exclusive. There are many more planes that one can say contributed as benchmarks. Obviously we can go on. Thanks. Chris Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs From: rdwoebke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, November 29, 2007 10:53 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: other HLGs, in my opinion, just refinements. 8) The Upstart: The Upstart was the first DLG used in competition. Tip launching was first pioneered by Dick Barker and Harold Locke, in Seattle, and Dick Barker used the launching method to be able to keep up with the overhand throws of Joe Wurts and the rest. When EVERYONE else realized that they could use this method, most effectively by adding a gyro to their current planes, DLG became the only method for launching. Gyros are now gone by good DLG design and airfoiled tailgroups, but overall the UpStart was the benchmark. It did not last long. Hey Chris, I think you meant Uplink, not upstart... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Supra or Onyx JW??
Yea, What he said, I have a pristine Cobra as well as an Artemis .. and a DUCK !!! yea, thats the ticketyea !!! -- Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- From: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] JW? Onyx? Benchmarks You gotta be kiddin' me. PUKE I have gone threw a bottle of Dramamine since this thread started just can't get the taste out of my mouth. You remember the Hera and Artemis first euro molded AMA TD friendly production sailplanes that fit the American market needs. 1. Weight 2. Size 3. Strength 4. Model QUALITY 5. Value under $800. for a quality Breta model I still have my Artemis XLT 57oz 6 years old and still looks like the day I bought it and I continue to launch and fly just as hard. To me this model has proven the test of time and this 57oz molded model was ahead of it's time!! this is a benchmark model. joe ---BeginMessage--- "JW? Onyx? Benchmarks You gotta be kiddin' me. PUKE" I have gone threw a bottle of Dramamine since this thread started just can't get the taste out of my mouth. You remember the Hera and Artemis first euro molded AMA TD friendly production sailplanes that fit the American market needs. 1. Weight 2. Size 3. Strength 4. Model QUALITY 5. Value under $800. for a quality Breta model I still have my Artemis XLT 57oz 6 years old and still looks like the day I bought it and I continue to launch and fly just as hard. To me this model has proven the test of time and this 57oz molded model was ahead of it's time!! this is a benchmark model. joe ---End Message---
[RCSE] Good Guy Warning.
Another good guy to deal with is Smokin Joe. I just received the Airtronics 92778 rx that he advertised on rcse as nib. It got here unscathed and as advertised, perfect condition. Way to go Joe. And as for benchmarks how about the Super Cirrus and Nimbus Pro from Bob Belger and Ray Vanderdonk and the Astro Jeff from Jerry Mrlik which won the Soar Nats in 1973 in the hands of 13 year old Jeff Mrlik. To continue with the Oly 99, the Grand Esprit from Airtronics and the pen of Lee Renaud. Regards, Dave Corven -- Original message -- From: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Airtronics Stylus Radio - $375. Includes Glider Card Memory Card Airtronics radio case - not hobby shack case this one is the real deal. Red Anodized stick ends extra TX battery Stylus glider card manual this radio looks almost new great Xmas gift I will throw in a extra Stylus RF module no charge. Joe Rodriguez Surf City Automotive Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 714-322-4926 ---BeginMessage--- Airtronics Stylus Radio - $375. Includes Glider Card Memory Card Airtronics radio case - not hobby shack case this one is the real deal. Red Anodized stick ends extra TX battery Stylus glider card manual this radio looks almost newgreat Xmas gift I will throw in a extra Stylus RF module no charge. Joe RodriguezSurf City Automotive Group[EMAIL PROTECTED]714-322-4926 ---End Message---
[RCSE] FOR SALE Airtronics RD8000 Radio
Guy's blowing out the Airtronics gear I have a RD8000 radio in excellent condition great for your electric toys and res sailplanes or whatever $95. Plus $10. shipping to CONUS SmokinJoe
[RCSE] For Sale more 72 Mhz Stuff - Berg-4 Micro Stamp 2
Oh baby I just want the 72 Mhz stuff to go, going, gone Here is a great little receiver that I never had any issues BERG-4 Micro Stamp 2 tsr and autoshift receiver comes with BERG crystal ch36 $30. shipped CONUS PayPal preferred Smokinjoe
[RCSE] albatrosses
The Dec 2007 National Geographic has a neat article on albatrosses. These soaring birds have spans up to 11 1/2 feet and cover as much as 500 miles per day, using dynamic soaring techniques to gain lift from the wind gradient above the waves. The article's description of how it works is not quite accurate, but the pictures, drawings and info are otherwise very cool. If you haven't thought about albatrosses since you read the Ancient Mariner in high school, this will be an eye-opener.
[RCSE] Re: Benchmark Sailplanes
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[RCSE] RE: benchmark sailplanes
Mantis, Emerald, Olly 2, Common Guys it's not the Plane! It's the Radio! The Radio Joe Wurts is using. That's it! Now! Go out and buy the Radio Joe YOU KNOW WHO has. Then well see what the hot radio is. All this is such great toilet reading... Now if I could just get silly desk top computer in the bathroom when the urge to go calls.. Gosh I just love life, RCSE thanks. I feel so much better now. AL In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -George Orwell-
Re: [RCSE] For Sale Airtronice Vision DOUBLE transmitter case
Billy, I have a beautiful new JR Spectrum case to keep my JR 2.4 safe and sound no need to hold on to the past. I have set myself free from the bounds of 72 mhz world and now venture to the new secure world of 2.4 So I begin to cleanse myself by releasing the items of the past thus allowing my soul to reach new JR Horizons(-: You had to ask! Smokinjoe - Original Message - From: Bill Swinglemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE (E-mail)mailto:soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] For Sale Airtronice Vision DOUBLE transmitter case Gosh, maybe I'm just being ignorant here, but wouldn't the case work with other normally sized Tx's? Thus, I wonder why aren't you keeping it? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Afraid I must disagree with you about floaters. While I'll grant that the Mirage may have been a benchmark, I'd be willing to fly a good Bubble Dancer vs. you with a Mirage any day. (Not that I'd necessarily win, we all know it's the pilot, and I don't know you so you may fly a lot better than I do.) If it was a bit breezy and we had the same airframe weight I'd even spot you a few points. Actually, I think the Allegro Lite did some of it first, but the Bubble Dancer is a combination of full pedal strength with very light weight, balsa construction, low moment of inertia, and refined aerodynamics. I don't recall seeing that before the Allegro Lite. The Bubble Dancer turns very quickly for a 3 meter. My impression was that it did this quicker than the aileron jobs. I hadn't seen anything quite like it before. Certainly not a 3 meter that you could full pedal launch and also be comfortable doing a couple of circles from a hand launch. Watching Mark launch the Allegro Lite was surreal. Like playing a 33 at 45, or even 78, for those of you who remember vinyl. I don't know what the imitations fly like yet, though I hope to soon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, I agree with your opinion. I read the threads and had to take a larger overview to what a benchmark actually means. In my opinion, Benchmark planes, means some plane to which other planes are compared to so that a noticeable advancement in performance, building, transport, and flying can be measured. They should be unique and contribute unique characteristics. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] For Sale Airtronice Vision DOUBLE transmitter case
WOW, look what I found in the pit of my garage it is a little dusty but a original DOUBLE Airtronics Vision transmitter case in Swet condition this is perfect combo for your Vision. I also use to have a single Vision case but in a fit of rage, I think I missed a landing or something like that. I launched it in a parking lot and the landing was a little ruff the case does not hold up to this kind of abuse. $25 plus $10 shipping paypal please. Smokinjoe
RE: [RCSE] Price of DLG's
On RCGroups tonight I saw something that I thought I would never see for sale, a $1K DLG, it is a Vandal fullhouse ship with RADS. Be the first to admit that I have spent my fair share on ships, but a DLG for $1000? That environment is way too tough on airframes for me to toss that amount up into the crowded HLG skies. Hell, it is too tough for $150 ships. Marc, That is pretty normal now for top-end DLGs. You can RTF a competitive DLG (from an ARF) yourself for as little as $500-$600 or so in plane and electronics. A Vandal is a small shop competition-class glider with (my guesstimate) 30 or more hours of construction and assembly labor in it, ~$100 in materials, $175-225 in electronics. Don't forget the four RDS (RAD) installations. 1K sounds about right for a glider in near-new condition. And Vandal is a GREAT glider. Ask anyone who has flown one. As to how tough the flying environment is for hand launch, yeah, hand launch is very demanding flying. You get to see how good your soaring skills are, really quickly! Why do so many people love hand launch? I think because meeting the hand launch challenge is so satisfying, especially when you have a great-flying plane. They do things that seem almost impossible. We have so many good planes to choose from now, one might think the cost would come down. Unfortunately, it takes *a lot* of time and effort to create one of these goodies. The best dollar deal is to build it yourself. We all pay in dollars or time. ;) Aradhana Singh Khalsa Espanola, NM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] For Sale Airtronice Vision DOUBLE transmitter case
Gosh, maybe I'm just being ignorant here, but wouldn't the case work with other normally sized Tx's? Thus, I wonder why aren't you keeping it? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Re: [RCSE] albatrosses
Indeed, and the opening fold-out photograph, in addition to being a marvelous photograph, is instructional for the fuselage/wing juncture. RVC - Original Message - From: tony estep To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: [RCSE] albatrosses The Dec 2007 National Geographic has a neat article on albatrosses. These soaring birds have spans up to 11 1/2 feet and cover as much as 500 miles per day, using dynamic soaring techniques to gain lift from the wind gradient above the waves. The article's description of how it works is not quite accurate, but the pictures, drawings and info are otherwise very cool. If you haven't thought about albatrosses since you read the Ancient Mariner in high school, this will be an eye-opener. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.10/1159 - Release Date: 11/29/2007 11:10 AM
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[RCSE] Another Bench Mark in RC Soaring
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[RCSE] Want a bench mark plane example?
A bench mark plane shows up as having caused a spike or detour in the RC Soaring time line. It has little to do with just winning, example is the Icon which I mentioned in my first post, it earns its spot because of three things...Price, Designer, USA made. How about the first Euro moldie to win a USA major? Know what it was, who flew it and where it won? Pretty sure it was the first Euro moldie to have bottom hinged flaps too. Here's a hint, it was produced by the maker of the current 2m, 3m and RES ships flying in the USA today.:-) Gordy **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [RCSE] For Sale more 72 Mhz Stuff - Berg-4 Micro Stamp 2
SOLD - Original Message - From: Joe Rodriguezmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE (E-mail)mailto:soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:16 PM Subject: [RCSE] For Sale more 72 Mhz Stuff - Berg-4 Micro Stamp 2 Oh baby I just want the 72 Mhz stuff to go, going, gone Here is a great little receiver that I never had any issues BERG-4 Micro Stamp 2 tsr and autoshift receiver comes with BERG crystal ch36 $30. shipped CONUS PayPal preferred Smokinjoe
Re: [RCSE] Supra or Onyx JW, these are Me-Too Designs
Can you tell me what model the Supra is a refinement of? Wright flyer? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, I agree with your opinion. I read the threads and had to take a larger overview to what a benchmark actually means. In my opinion, Benchmark planes, means some plane to which other planes are compared to so that a noticeable advancement in performance, building, transport, and flying can be measured. They should be unique and contribute unique characteristics. With that said, the Onyz, or Sharon, or Supra, in fact nearly 99% of the planes on the market currently are really just refinements to existing designs, and really are not improvements. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] For Sale Airtronice Vision DOUBLE transmitter case
SOLD - Original Message - From: Joe Rodriguezmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE (E-mail)mailto:soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [RCSE] For Sale Airtronice Vision DOUBLE transmitter case WOW, look what I found in the pit of my garage it is a little dusty but a original DOUBLE Airtronics Vision transmitter case in Swet condition this is perfect combo for your Vision. I also use to have a single Vision case but in a fit of rage, I think I missed a landing or something like that. I launched it in a parking lot and the landing was a little ruff the case does not hold up to this kind of abuse. $25 plus $10 shipping paypal please. Smokinjoe
