Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
Jerry, I didn't put in new brushes. I just polished the grime off the old ones. They were hardly worn at all.. Also, I didn't scrape between the commutator segments. I had done that earlier this year, when I did a general cleanup on the motor. This time I was just trying to make sure there wasn't any surface grunge. I'll be trying it out again tomorrow. We'll see what we get. Jerry Miller wrote: Tom, If you just put in new brushes, they will have to seat in before you get full power/contact with the commutator. And did you clean up the commutator, scrap between the copper plates? Jerry Miller, SOSS Medford, OR From: Tom Gist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barry Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: RCSE soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:48:17 -0400 Bary, Thanks for the input. I'm still trying to get my winch set up properly. I put the needle bearing in, but something else must have gotten misaligned, as it was actually worse. I reset all the brushes, and will try again this weekend. It spins up fairly well with no load (and no line on the drum). I may have to replace the solenoids, as well. I think I may be getting too much contact resistance. Anyway, once I have something definite to say, it will be up on RCSE. Thanks, Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
Jeff, Thanks for the good ideas. 1. This a stock motor. No way to adjust timing. Good idea though; reminds me of my slot car days. 2. New 27-size deep cycle marine battery, charged on a 10 amp charger all night. However, I was already planning to charge it for a full 24+ hours, just to make sure. 3. I had not heard that. However, I didn't see much excess grease when I was resetting the brushes. 4. Could well be. That's one reason I'm thinking about replacing the whole motor. It's over 25 years old (although there were a number of hiatuses in there.) I'm also wondering if the solenoids are restricting current. I have a test circuit that indicates if there's voltage across the solenoid contacts. It was lighting up on one solenoid when I was seating the brushes. I'm not sure of the failure modes of the solenoids; do they stick on, never close, or does the contact resistance increase. At the kinds of current a motor pulls, it wouldn't take much contact resistance to produce a significant drop across the solenoid. Of course, that would also be a significant power being dumped in the solenoid, and they didn't seem to be heating up or failing further. Thanks, Tom Jeff Steifel wrote: I might ask if you have the timing correct. If it spins up well without a load it might be a timing issue. Or a voltage issue. If you don't have enough voltage 12 + 13 is better (fresh charge) you won't carry the load. Don't oil or grease the brush end... you can create a conductive paste from the brush dust. Also maybe your winding are shorted from brush dust you may want to replace them. There are lots of reasons for not carrying a load.. Mike Wade explained many of them. If it turns easily by hand it is not necessarily a bearing issue... Or you could have a bent shaft. it will turn but won't carry the load... Tom Gist wrote: Bary, Thanks for the input. I'm still trying to get my winch set up properly. I put the needle bearing in, but something else must have gotten misaligned, as it was actually worse. I reset all the brushes, and will try again this weekend. It spins up fairly well with no load (and no line on the drum). I may have to replace the solenoids, as well. I think I may be getting too much contact resistance. Anyway, once I have something definite to say, it will be up on RCSE. Thanks, Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
I'm hoping that Real Balls or some other ball/roller bearing end caps will become available. In the meantime, a Torrington B-1010 needle bearing will very nicely replace the front bushing. (Thanks for the tip to Tim McCann.) I should have this setup flying by next weekend, with any luck. I'll post the results. Tom Gist If you want to ruin your shaft in a short time you can use a needle roller bearing but . I wouldn't as this type of bearing needs a hardened surface of 60-62 Rc to run on. The shaft is nowhere near as hard as this and will quickly wear into longitudinal grooves. A deep groove ball race on each end of the shaft is the only way to go but it will need a new or modified housing. Eddie the Eagle in sunny South Australia RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
Bary, Thanks for the input. I'm still trying to get my winch set up properly. I put the needle bearing in, but something else must have gotten misaligned, as it was actually worse. I reset all the brushes, and will try again this weekend. It spins up fairly well with no load (and no line on the drum). I may have to replace the solenoids, as well. I think I may be getting too much contact resistance. Anyway, once I have something definite to say, it will be up on RCSE. Thanks, Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
Tom, If you just put in new brushes, they will have to seat in before you get full power/contact with the commutator. And did you clean up the commutator, scrap between the copper plates? Jerry Miller, SOSS Medford, OR From: Tom Gist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Barry Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: RCSE soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:48:17 -0400 Bary, Thanks for the input. I'm still trying to get my winch set up properly. I put the needle bearing in, but something else must have gotten misaligned, as it was actually worse. I reset all the brushes, and will try again this weekend. It spins up fairly well with no load (and no line on the drum). I may have to replace the solenoids, as well. I think I may be getting too much contact resistance. Anyway, once I have something definite to say, it will be up on RCSE. Thanks, Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
I'd recommend staying with the 3110, you may at some point have a heavier, stronger plane you'd like to launch. Simple tap, tap, tap, or the foot switch will launch the lightest of sailplanes. I have Real Balls on my 3110 and glad I made the investment. Since they are hard to get on occasion, it will be a service to let the list know how this alternate works out. Best Barry On Aug 21, 2005, at 9:41 PM, Tom Gist wrote: More info. Injoy does, indeed, have a needle bearing 6V 3110 available: new, not reconditioned. Ought to be pretty good, except that I'm leery of a 6V motor when launching smaller planes. One mistake, and you could convert someone's Gentle Lady back to a kit. I'll go that route, if necessary, but I'd still rather stick to 3115 motors. I'm hoping that Real Balls or some other ball/roller bearing end caps will become available. In the meantime, a Torrington B-1010 needle bearing will very nicely replace the front bushing. (Thanks for the tip to Tim McCann.) I should have this setup flying by next weekend, with any luck. I'll post the results. Tom Gist RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
More info. Injoy does, indeed, have a needle bearing 6V 3110 available: new, not reconditioned. Ought to be pretty good, except that I'm leery of a 6V motor when launching smaller planes. One mistake, and you could convert someone's Gentle Lady back to a kit. I'll go that route, if necessary, but I'd still rather stick to 3115 motors. I'm hoping that Real Balls or some other ball/roller bearing end caps will become available. In the meantime, a Torrington B-1010 needle bearing will very nicely replace the front bushing. (Thanks for the tip to Tim McCann.) I should have this setup flying by next weekend, with any luck. I'll post the results. Tom Gist RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
Thanks, All. I knew about Injoy, but the last time I looked, their motor only had oilite bearings. I see that they now have a needle bearing version. I've asked them for some more info. If it's useful, I'll post what I get. I also knew about Tim McCann's winch. It looks gorgeous, much prettier than mine. However, mine works well, except for the bearings. Thanks again, Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
I need to upgrade my winch for my new Aegea, which means Real Balls. Winch Doctor apparently won't have them any time soon. Does anyone have a set (or know of an equivalent)? Thanks, Tom Gist RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
The dog racing training industry uses long shaft starter motors to pull fake rabbits along. Some of the suppliers modify the Ford long shaft for ball bearings with a cheaper and not as substantial modification as the winch doc. I have considered checking one of those out. Google should get you there. Anker At 08:39 PM 8/14/2005, Tom Gist wrote: I need to upgrade my winch for my new Aegea, which means Real Balls. Winch Doctor apparently won't have them any time soon. Does anyone have a set (or know of an equivalent)? Thanks, Tom Gist RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
I highly recommend Tim McCan's winch kit. On his site you'll find a link to injoy lure where you can buy a NEW motor and all needed parts. Outstanding quality and service from Tim and Tom all one click away. I'm very pleased with my Optima powered McCan winch! Dan in Dallas -Original Message- From: Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Gist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:12:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale? The dog racing training industry uses long shaft starter motors to pull fake rabbits along. Some of the suppliers modify the Ford long shaft for ball bearings with a cheaper and not as substantial modification as the winch doc. I have considered checking one of those out. Google should get you there. Anker At 08:39 PM 8/14/2005, Tom Gist wrote: I need to upgrade my winch for my new Aegea, which means Real Balls. Winch Doctor apparently won't have them any time soon. Does anyone have a set (or know of an equivalent)? Thanks, Tom Gist RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Anyone have a set of Real Balls for sale?
Tom Bianchi at INJOY Lure Coursing Equipment http://www.injoy-1.com/catal_sail.htm Tom is a great supporter of the NATS. He has offered a couple of Brand New not remanufactured long shaft motors for the workers raffle. These motors were never made this nice in 1950. Quality and tolerances are great. It was an improvement for my winch. Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV At 11:12 AM 8/15/2005, Anker Berg-Sonne wrote: The dog racing training industry uses long shaft starter motors to pull fake rabbits along. Some of the suppliers modify the Ford long shaft for ball bearings with a cheaper and not as substantial modification as the winch doc. I have considered checking one of those out. Google should get you there. Anker At 08:39 PM 8/14/2005, Tom Gist wrote: I need to upgrade my winch for my new Aegea, which means Real Balls. Winch Doctor apparently won't have them any time soon. Does anyone have a set (or know of an equivalent)? Thanks, Tom Gist Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
