[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
Gary, I don't know how the EZBD stacks up against the AVA, but I have heard good reports from happy owners. It seems that Denny has put together a very nice kit. From what I understand the EZBD builds to about 43 ounces. Light for a 3M plane but about 12 ounces heavier than Mark Drela's Bubble Dancer. I understand the AVA comes in around 39 ounces. I am about to find out how a plans built BD flies. Five members of the Long Island Silent Flyers are going to build Bubble Dancers this winter. One of our accomplished builders, Phil Abatelli, is going to take the rest of us through the build. Phil and Rob Sabatini, another LISF member, have made up the materials list and placed the order. When the materials arrive, Phils is going to show the rest of it how it is done. Frankly I am not much of a builder so I hope I have not taken on too much. If not for Phil's guidance, I would never dream of doing this, But I love the Bubble Dancer and always wanted one. Before I had my first sailplane, while I was still learning to fly my Aerobird, I timed for Mark Drela in an Eastern Soaring League contest. I had no idea who he was, but he had this really cool looking plane called the Bubble Dancer. Everyone else was flying full house bagged wing and molded planes. Mark's was this build-up beauty. As I watched him fly this beautiful plane I was convinced that the plane defied gravity. I fell in love with it on the spot. Over the years I have watched Mark hand throw his BD into lift and sky it out during warm-ups before Eastern Soaring League contests. There has not been a lot of RES flying at our club lately. The new guys typically start on Easy Gliders these days. A few of us have Spirits and occasionally an older RES plane comes out, but RES has really fall by the wayside. However with 5 new Bubble Dancers being built this winter, people are talking about RES again in a big way. A couple of people are talking about getting 3M RES ARFs. This could turn into a monthly club RES class contest. That would be fun. Hopefully this spring I will be reporting on the maiden flight of a gravity defying Bubble Dancer. I have no dream that it will finish as light as Mark's, but if it comes in under under 38 ounces, I will be very pleased. Ed Anderson LISF > > Gary Rexroad wrote: Mike or Jon or anyone How due you think Dr. Mark Drela's Bubble Dancer stacks up with the Ava? I fly in SE Michigan, mostly TD. Polecat Aero kits the EZ Bubble Dancer. >From what I have read it should be vary close in performance.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer
Mike is right. It definitely makes a difference on how it is built. I built a great one and then bought one that someone else built. It has been the worst flying plane I've ever had. I have almost got it re-built. The stab was over 2 oz (average is .7 to.8 oz). It took so much lead in the nose to balance it, that it was over 72 oz. It should be under 50. The control rods were totally loose in the fuse (the stab one was not even in a sleeve). The stab would get stuck every now and then. There were a number of other things, but most have been resolved. I hope to test it tomorrow with all the re-do's. The vertical stab is still way to heavy, but I haven't messed with it. So... after all that, do a good job of building and build light ! T - Original Message - From: mike reagan To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer If you are an A+ builder you will easily have an Ava beater. If you are an average builder you will have an average sailplane. You have long winters in Michigan, plenty of time to build. The old Soviet block builders put out very high quality pieces of art. I know I am not up to the task, as I now have more money than time. Good luck on the build. I sure miss sculpting my own planes. Snowing in Texas? I flew my SparrowHawk (full size) today, got to 10,100ft in slope and thermal lift today. I love SoCal! Mike Reagan -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1149 - Release Date: 11/24/2007 10:06 AM
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
If you are an A+ builder you will easily have an Ava beater. If you are an average builder you will have an average sailplane. You have long winters in Michigan, plenty of time to build. The old Soviet block builders put out very high quality pieces of art. I know I am not up to the task, as I now have more money than time. Good luck on the build. I sure miss sculpting my own planes. Snowing in Texas? I flew my SparrowHawk (full size) today, got to 10,100ft in slope and thermal lift today. I love SoCal! Mike Reagan
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
Thanks for the replies, I have the info I needed. George MeyersWD6EQS Fresno, Ca RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
My hard drive crashed and burned and I lost the name and website of the person who sales the tailboom for the Bubble Dancer. Tailboom.com still says they are indefinitely out of stock. Can someone point me in the right direction? George MeyersWD6EQS Fresno, Ca RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer CC remedies etc.
> > > Am I missing something? > yes. __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
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> Pardon me. I've not seen a Bubble Dancer so I'm still just a bit fuzzy here. > > A 3 meter that only weighs 32ozs!! Is it me or is this just flat astounding? > Yeow! May I assume that this is the plane to beat on any light wind day? Bill, The plans were published in late 2001.The build is complex enough to turn off most ARF type flyers, that few were flying any until the Ava (close descendant) showed up.Not only is the Bubble Dancer almost a scratch build, you have to go to several suppliers to get all the parts. At this time, laser cut ribs, fuse pod, tailboom, and stab mounts are available prefab. Go to the links provided by Mark's earlier email today, and see what's available. For a direct link to the plans: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/files/Bubble_Dancer/bd_V3.pdf Many of Mark's other designs are posted in the files folder, and at http://www.charlesriverrc.org/articles.htm BTW, the Bubble Dancer is not a "gas bag". Airfoils were specifically designed to have an excellent L/D at it's designed flying weight. The Ava is significantly over the BD design weight. Probably a compromise to improve manufacturability. Jon Stone RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer CC remedies etc.
>>over 3 meter span and weighs 32ozs or so Pardon me. I've not seen a Bubble Dancer so I'm still just a bit fuzzy here. A 3 meter that only weighs 32ozs!! Is it me or is this just flat astounding? Yeow! May I assume that this is the plane to beat on any light wind day? Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer pod
Hi, fliers! I have a friend who needs a pod with a slip-on nose cone for a Bubble Dancer. He doesn't need the boom. Does anyone out there have such a critter, or know who does? Thanks a bunch! Dave Darling Modesto, CA -- Dial Broadband has arrived in most areas! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at http://www.BigValley.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer
No kit yet but Mark from http://www.isthmusmodels.com/ is putting together a kit that should be available soon. --pat http://www.tailboom.com --- Jeff Nibler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's a do-it-your-self project only. For details, goto > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite. There are some folks who make > the individual components, but there is no kit. > > Jeff > > >From: FXDWG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer > >Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:36:33 -0800 (PST) > > > >Has anyone heard about the availability of the Bubble Dancer? > > > >Dan > > > >__ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > >"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > >subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with > >MIME turned off. > > > _ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME > turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer
It's a do-it-your-self project only. For details, goto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite. There are some folks who make the individual components, but there is no kit. Jeff From: FXDWG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:36:33 -0800 (PST) Has anyone heard about the availability of the Bubble Dancer? Dan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
Has anyone heard about the availability of the Bubble Dancer? Dan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
A friend has heard or read that someone is planning to kit the Bubble Dancer. If someone on the exchange knows about this plan could they please contact me. I would like to get in line if a kit becomes available. Thanks, Randy McCleave Not to be confused with Pat RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Bubble Dancer
Jim, There is load of info here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/ Do a search of the archives and check out the files area. --pat --- jim larkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone tell me how to get info on this ship? Saw a link to it the other > day and when I clicked on the reply was that I did not belong to the Yahoo > group--so there.!! TIA Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Bubble Dancer
Can someone tell me how to get info on this ship? Saw a link to it the other day and when I clicked on the reply was that I did not belong to the Yahoo group--so there.!! TIA Jim
