Re: [RCSE] F3B Team Selection Finals Results

2000-09-08 Thread darylp

I'm glad this came up. A little clarification is in order. There are really 2 issues 
here. 1. My responsibility as a competitor. 2.
The legality of the model/interpretation of the rule. I'll address these 2 issues 
quite separately.

1. As a competitor, it is my job/responsibility to get the very best score I'm able. I 
decided to rebuild the model, and try to
better my poor distance score. It wasn't up to me to debate or interpret the rule at 
this point. It was up to me to get the best
score I could. Had I been protested, and the protest upheld by the jury, I would have 
been zeroed for that flight, and as it turns
out, for the whole contest. I would have gladly accepted this decision by the jury had 
it come to this, and had it been their
decision. I think this more than anything is the key to the whole thing.

2. For those of you who have never flown a FAI team selections or World Champs, our 
models get "stickered" on every part of the
model. So, in this instance, my Cobra had 6 stickers on it, with the model #. This one 
was denoted as #3 by the officials at check
in. On each wing panel, the fuse, the nose cone, the v-stabs, there was a sticker. 
What exactly denotes the "part" is what is still
open to interpretation. Is it simply the part of the wing with the sticker on it? Or, 
does the part need to remain 100% the original
part? This would mean NO repairs can take place - no servo changes, no leading edge 
dings repaired, not even a drop of Cya to stick
the LE back together, not even a gear change within a servo, no tape to repair a 
surface hole in your molded toy, etc... I believe
somewhere in between is the correct answer - but it IS open to interpretation. Also, 
if some sort of repairs are allowed, what can
be used as repair material? Now, mind you, there has been precedence set here long 
before this weekend's event. I've seen models
with wingtips from other spare parts models spliced on  protested. Protest denied. 
I've heard of models having the stickers cut off,
and piecing them back on a new airframe. Protested - and protest denied. I've seen 
models rebuilt using aluminum cans, and tons of
Cya. Protested - protest denied. I've seen WC competitors rebuild models in an evening 
using basically a full model shop worth of
parts. Not protested. These issues were not for me to decide or debate. There simply 
wasn't enough time. That's why we have juries,
and protest protocol.

I, more than anyone, would like to see clarification of this rule. I think it's too 
vague as it's written now. But please
understand, it was never my intention to rewrite the rule, or push the policy. My 
intention was to make the team. I fully expected a
protest to be lodged. I don't know how this would have come out. Debating it after the 
fact, by people who weren't there, does
nobody any good. Hindsight is always 20/20. Maybe if these people were competing, 
they'd have lodged the protest in a timely
fashion, and maybe the outcome would have been different. We'll never know.

I am not sorry I rebuilt the green pig. I would do it all over again. For the feeling 
of cameraderie for that one hour with almost
every competitor on the field. For watching the cloud of micro-balloons escape the 
model on the first throw. (I almost laughed) For
the cheers as the green pig withstood its first launch, and then its relaunch. For the 
adrenaline rush of finding out I only got
beat by 2 laps with one of the worst flying planes I've ever flown!

I left my fate in the hands of the jury, and my competitors. This was my decision. I 
chose to fly.

Daryl

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jason,
  I am surprised by Daryl and the Contest Director. The fact is what Daryl did
 is not legal. The wing that was used as the "Repair" piece was previously
 flown in the contest by Phil Renaud.  FAI rules are clear a competitor cannot
 fly a model previously entered and flown by another competitor in the same
 contest. By definition the parts of the plane are inclusive to the model. As
 you know all pieces of a model are inspected in FAI so that a competitor
 cannot swap out parts as Daryl did. Further more a repaired model must be
 inspected prior to being used again in the contest to check for rules
 compliance. I would guess that the argument must be at which point does a
 fellow competitors model quit existing as a model and then become spare
 repair materials. My thinking is that a competitor could not fly repair
 materials previously flown by another competitor. I doubt that this logic
 would hold up at World level. Is the rule using one model per round in F3B
 dumb, yea probably , but it is still the rule.  Larry Jolly
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Re: [RCSE] F3B Team Selection Finals Results

2000-09-06 Thread mikel

No really great speed times or distance flights.  Due to field
limitations, many of the speed and distance rounds were flown with
different wind directions than normal.  I think that 5 of the 6 speed
rounds were flown with the wind going the opposite direction  of what
would normally be set up.  Wurts had the best speed run, around 16
seconds.

I don't recall any really good distance flights.  The course seemed to
diverge out a little farther away from the sights in both directions and
some of the best air was out away from the course.  Landing out was a
real risk since the dirt out on the course was pretty rough.  I have one
damaged wing tip landing upwind on a distance flight in this stuff.  I
guess for California, it was a really good field, but compaired to the
sod farms I normally fly on, it was really bad.  They were mowing dirt
to clear some of the junk in the winch line areas before the contest. 
We still had quite a bit of line rash on the groundlines and everyone
chewed up quite a bit of line.

Wind conditions were really variable through the day due to the wind
coming up the valley from the bay in the afternoons.  One Sunday
afternoon was really blowing. We had a fair amount of crosswind launches
and one distance round that was slightly downwind almost the whole
round.

For models, Wurts - Cobra, but he did fly his new model which has two
working names for the last round since he had no throw outs.  Botha -
Y2K which has molds made from the same plug as the Millenium, but
construction of the model is different.  He was flying a 3-piece wing
version.  Perkins - that ugly Cobra Stu sent him. Green with yellow
spots.  It died an ugly death plus a resurrection in round 5.  Jason
Werner has pictures of that.   For us east coast guys who gave
california a good run for the money, Kiesling was flying a Tragi 702 and
I was flying a Tragi 701.  I think Jennings was 6th flying a Diamond. 
For radios, my recollection is MPX, Stylus, MPX, JR8103, JR10X, Stylus


A few cobras died on launch.  These guys can't coordinate things.  They
all killed the left wing panel, so now we have a lot of right wing cobra
owners.
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Re: [RCSE] F3B Team Selection Finals Results

2000-09-05 Thread Alberto

Congratulations to the USA 2001 F3B Team members!!job well done!!

Alberto
http://www.hobbyclub.com

Jim Thomas wrote:

 We completed 6 rounds of competition today.  2001 F3B team is: Joe
 Wurts, Daryl Perkins, Gavin Botha.  Alternate is Tom Kiesling.


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[RCSE] F3B Team Selection Finals Results

2000-09-04 Thread Jim Thomas

We completed 6 rounds of competition today.  2001 F3B team is: Joe
Wurts, Daryl Perkins, Gavin Botha.  Alternate is Tom Kiesling.

Most memorable moment: Daryl Perkins exploding a wing on his Cobra
during launch in round 5 speed, followed by furious rebuilding session
by 6-8 people, followed by Daryl flying repaired plane in round 5
distance well enough to allow his low round 4 distance score to be his
throw out round, resulting in DP making the team.

The moral of the story, NEVER give up and it really helps to help a
rebuilding genius like Joe Wurts and a heard of helpful elves on your
side.

The US should be really proud of its F3B team, its a great group of
flyers and a really strong team.  Throw your support behind them and
contribute to the fundraising efforts that will be occuring in the next
year.  Way to go guys.

Jim Thomas, exhausted F3B Team Selection Finals CD

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