Re: [RCSE] Joe Bridi Tercel - Will it Fly

2001-11-14 Thread Don Stackhouse @ DJ Aerotech

Bob Massmann writes:

I have the Flipper which is very similar.

My first HLG was also a Bridi Flipper, very similar to the Tercel. If I 
remember correctly there were some differences in the shape of the tail, 
but otherwise they were almost alike.

Low speed handling was great, but range and L/D was a bit lacking. The 
other problem was the bulkhead at the leading edge of the wing, the one 
that the wing's leading edge dowel plugged into. That whole area of the 
fuselage structure was very poorly designed, and essentially had all the 
wing loads transferred across the grain of the balsa instead of parallel to 
the fibers. Anything less than a perfect landing would break some part of 
that structure. I'd recommend at least adding some fiberglass tape and 
epoxy around that area.

The other culprit from a performance standpoint was the short wingspan. 
Stretching it out to a full 59 would significantly help performance. The 
Zephyr was a very similar model from that same era, and also had a short 
wingspan. Most of the Zephyr flyers I knew had added some additional rib 
bays to the wing to stretch it out to the full 59.

Besides the shortage of range and penetration, the other quirk involved the 
Eppler 205 airfoil. It has a mush mode of separated flow and high drag 
that develops well above the final stall break. If you don't pay close 
enough attention and let it get too slow, it will sneak into a mush that 
will require a lot of altitude to fully recover from. A skillful pilot can 
use this almost like spoilers for glide path control on landing, but most 
of the time it's a nuisance and a trap for the unwary.

Joe Hahn scratch built a 2-meter scaled-up version of the Flipper that flew 
quite well.

My second HLG was a Vertigo. Foam wings with balsa skins, heavier, more 
legs, but couldn't thermal nearly as well in the small, weak lift we get 
around here.

About that time I was also reading the part in The Old Buzzard's Soaring 
Book about how you could make an airplane heavy and fast and search 
better, or keep it very light and thermal well but not search as far. It 
was presented in the book from an either/or point of view. It was quite 
clear to me that the Flipper and the Vertigo represented classic examples 
of the two schools of thought, and that in the widely spaced, small 
diameter, very weak lift typical of this area, neither approach was getting 
the job done. Joe, who worked downstairs from me in another department of 
the same company, was coming to similar conclusions with his own HLG 
experiments. We questioned why it had to be either/or; couldn't we come up 
with a model that could do both? We also noticed that the state of the art 
in HLG's at that time (1992) seemed to be based on scaling down larger 
models, airfoils, planforms, structures and all, to HLG size, rather than 
looking at the unique demands of HLG's on their own merits. We started 
comparing notes and collaborating on designs, and six fuselages, seven 
tails, eight wings and about 150 hours of computer work later we had the 
first Monarch. Shortly after that, Bob Massmann, one of our friends in the 
DARTS club, hung up his Flipper for one of our first kits.

I still have my Flipper, and about an afternoon's work could make it 
airworthy again. It was a sweet handling airplane for its time, but I don't 
really have any desire to go back.



Don Stackhouse @ DJ Aerotech
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[RCSE] Joe Bridi TERCEL

2001-11-14 Thread Paul Rickie Clark

Will it fly!?  It is one of the birds I built for my son and after a few 
years air time in Japan,  I re-modeled it :-) for him and he has it in the 
states!!  It was done in see-through red and black trim--he appeared with 
it in Model Builder.  Yes, as already noted, it IS a kick on the slope, but 
at a TPGs' Poway field visit we skied it out so many times we wondered how 
the guys who fly there got so good--it was too easy :-) !!  Wish I could 
have done so well at my IHLGF times!!

Some time back  Gyros in L.A. bought out someone's remaining stock (which 
we learned about here on RCSE) and they were gracious enough to send one 
out to me!!  I look forward to building it with the gear load available now 
that weighs less than the battery we flew with earlier!!  I will build it 
with a V shaped fuselage which the design lends itself to (discovered 
from its much flying time);I would see no reason to cut wings for a build 
or try to change airfoils.  ALL of the negative Skeeter thread about kit 
bashing applies here--go get something else to build or build scratch :-) 
!!

My son loved to launch it with a snap roll at the top--she is a cute little 
ship.  We flew her light slope a lot and  into the dark--believe me, being 
red and black, at dusk she could really disorient the pilot :-) !!  Nothing 
but special memories from this little bridi!!

Paul Clark, SKY PILOT ONE, Osaka, Japan(AMA # 53 777 1)
http://www.kcat.zaq.ne.jp/skypilot/
SKY PILOT'S HANGAR--RCHLG AFICIONADO

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