Re: [RCSE] Nats, Visalia and other ramblings
At 07:23 AM 12/9/2001 -0800, you wrote: >I've been an active competitor and regular volunteer at the Nats for a >number of years. The single biggest change that the location of the >Nats at Muncie allowed us to do on a regular basis was the multiple man >on man format with a reasonable landing direction. There have been >times when it wasn't optimal, but this generally occurred mid-round and >was left unchanged until a round completion. > >Do we really want to give this up and go back to the "great" local sites >such as were allocated to soaring in 1986 (Lincoln), 1988 (Lake >Charles), and 1989 (Richland)? These sites were all terrible, and >partly why the LSF Nats finally broke away from AMA to establish a more >stable, contestant-friendly operation. I see you didn't fly Texas in 81 or Springfield in 83. I have flown in over half the AMA Nats since 1980 and the only acceptable site for the Nats, other than Muncie, was Vincennes in 1991 and 1993. I had rather pay a couple hundred dollars air fair than to fly in another contest at a grossly inadequate site like Texas. Before moving the nats, you need to get both an adequate site and a club or clubs willing to put up the manpower to host 8 days of competition with up to a hundred or more contestants. I don't think most of those wanting to move the Nats around have any idea of how many people it takes to run such an event nor how big a site is needed. I can run a one day contest for 50 entrys and fly 5 rounds per day with 5 people with the equipment my club has. That's a score keeper, impound keeper, a man to fix broken towlines, fix turnarounds, etc, and two winchmasters. We have 4 winch trailers complete with retrievers and run two at a time with two as backups. I suspect it would take 10 times as many people to run the same contest for 8 days as is done at the Nats. It would be interesting to know exactly how many people it has taken to run the last few Nats or Visalia. Visalia handles about three times the contestants but they only have to have manpower for two days plus setup and cleanup. How about it Larry? How would you like to run Visalia for 8 days? Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nats, Visalia and other ramblings
Jim, Thank you !!! the voice of reason compels it self to be heard. Jack At 07:23 AM 12/9/2001 -0800, Jim Thomas wrote: >I've been an active competitor and regular volunteer at the Nats for a >number of years. The single biggest change that the location of the >Nats at Muncie allowed us to do on a regular basis was the multiple man >on man format with a reasonable landing direction. There have been >times when it wasn't optimal, but this generally occurred mid-round and >was left unchanged until a round completion. > >Do we really want to give this up and go back to the "great" local sites >such as were allocated to soaring in 1986 (Lincoln), 1988 (Lake >Charles), and 1989 (Richland)? These sites were all terrible, and >partly why the LSF Nats finally broke away from AMA to establish a more >stable, contestant-friendly operation. > >Visalia is a great operation. I've flown all three of their sites in >the last 12 years. The Fall Soaring Festival is the epitomy of a well >run TD contest that can efficiently process 300 contestants through 4 >rounds a day. How many full time dedicated volunteers do you think it >takes to run this contest? Ask Larry Taylor, I'm sure more are involved >than you might think. The Visalia site does not lend itself to the >format that has been so successful at Muncie, man on man using 12 >winches with flight groups of 6 to 10 pilots (depending on number of >participants and the matrix). Nor does Visalia work very well for >south, east, or west wind directions. It might work for small (4 or 5) >groups, but that would severly limit the amount of flying that could >occur in a day. If man on man is to be scrapped for the Nats format, >then by all means Visalia is a great choice for a western site. > >If those that participate like what the Nats has evolved into, then a >venue capable of supporting that format must be found. I haven't seen >too many sites in 20 years of flying that allow multiple launch/landing >directions, as many winch set ups as you care to use and a HL golf >course 4 miles away. > >Instead of dwelling on what is wrong with the Nats (you will never >please everyone all the time, so do the best you can), concentrate on >what works well and try to make it that much better. > >Jim Thomas > >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" >and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Strother LSF President Loveland, OHLSF 2948 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Nats/Visalia
That is not to hard Tom, the day of you mail it. I expressed mine the year I went, and I was in. Nothing too tough there, and remember, I would imagine that CVRC wants to get that part over pretty quick. I would say they have a good system in place -Original Message- From: Tom Broeski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:20 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats/Visalia The Visalia entry is limited by postmark and is difficult to get just right if you've never done it. They should allow so many per state population, then if a state is not filled, have it by postmark. T Darwin N Barrie wrote: > I am very proud of my 2 pieces of wood from the one and only NATS I've > attended. The facility is without equal and I had a tremendous time. The > workers are fantastic and the comraderie is great. I mean no disrespect > to those who have placed at the NATs, however my most cherished wood is > from Visalia and a 2nd place in 2 meter and 13th overall finish a couple > of years ago. > > In my opinion, Visalia is the true NATs for soaring. Most every year the > best of the best attend. I think a contingent from clubs in CA could > handle a week of NATS activities every four years or so. I would be > willing to travel around the Nation to attend. Muncie is just a pain in > the butt to get to. > > Darwin N. Barrie > Scottsdale AZ > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- T&G http://adesigner.com/invention 32 Mount View Dr. Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 Fax 540 943-4178 Member BBB (Better Business Bureau) AAM (American Association of Museums) VAM (Virginia Association of Museums) BRIC (Blue Ridge Inventors' Club) AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nats/Visalia
Tom-- Don't let the postmark statement fool or scare you. The only restriction is that you cannot send it too soon. The entry window remains open until all the slots are filled. All I had to do the past two years is print the application form, fill in the blanks and drop it in the mail after the application window opens. One of my club members sent his in weeks after the applications were being accepted and he got in just fine. I think the 'first come, first served' approach is just fine. And yes, my entry to the SWC has been accepted. Entries are still open there also. Mail in your application and come see me for some chili on Friday evening. Dan - Original Message - From: "Tom Broeski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats/Visalia > The Visalia entry is limited by postmark and is difficult to get just right if you've never done it. They should allow so many per state population, then if a state is not filled, have it by postmark. > T > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
