Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
The original English version was fun but not the FAI version unless you have two healthy linebackers for towers. And the mass launches are great for midairs. Almost like watching the start of a F1 race. Chuck Anderson At 07:51 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: From the FAI web page. The second sentence fascinates me. F3J - Thermal Duration Gliders This class is very popular as it is a single task event with simple rules. The competitors try to keep their models aloft for exactly 10 minutes and land as close as possible to a designated spot. Launching the model is achieved by hand towing, where two persons with a 150m-monofilament line pull the model. Pilots are divided in groups, after a matrix schedule, so that during the preliminary or qualifying rounds, they compete against as many as possible of the other pilots. Then the top pilots fly in a single group the Final or Fly-Off rounds, which determine the winner. Excuse my ignorance I am new to the world of soaring. Are they launching like this in international competition? Sounds fun. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
I disagree. It's still fun, and the mass launches are awesome. Skill will keep you in line, and if someone veers into your lane skill and some luck will allow you to avoid them. A cool event. I hope they allow FAI winches someday. But I love the towing part as much as the flying. It's great when you get your pilot up on top of everyone. Chuck Anderson wrote: The original English version was fun but not the FAI version unless you have two healthy linebackers for towers. And the mass launches are great for midairs. Almost like watching the start of a F1 race. Chuck Anderson At 07:51 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: From the FAI web page. The second sentence fascinates me. F3J - Thermal Duration Gliders This class is very popular as it is a single task event with simple rules. The competitors try to keep their models aloft for exactly 10 minutes and land as close as possible to a designated spot. Launching the model is achieved by hand towing, where two persons with a 150m-monofilament line pull the model. Pilots are divided in groups, after a matrix schedule, so that during the preliminary or qualifying rounds, they compete against as many as possible of the other pilots. Then the top pilots fly in a single group the Final or Fly-Off rounds, which determine the winner. Excuse my ignorance I am new to the world of soaring. Are they launching like this in international competition? Sounds fun. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Lex Mierop Wrote: RCSE sends posts from people directly subscribed to the list immediately to all those on the list. If you receive RCSE through a forwarder or post from a web based forum (such as rcgroups.com), those posts need to be screened by one of the moderators before it will be posted to the subscribers. This is all done to ensure that SPAM and other off-topic posts are sent to everyone on RCSE. The downside is that the moderators (Mike L and myself) have lives, and don't always get around to approving posts. When there is a delay, this is why. -l Lex - If you'd quit spending all your time watching those old DVDs you would have time to approve my posts in a timely fashion! Bubba -- Robglover Robglover's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=22665 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
From the FAI web page. The second sentence fascinates me. F3J - Thermal Duration Gliders This class is very popular as it is a single task event with simple rules. The competitors try to keep their models aloft for exactly 10 minutes and land as close as possible to a designated spot. Launching the model is achieved by hand towing, where two persons with a 150m-monofilament line pull the model. Pilots are divided in groups, after a matrix schedule, so that during the preliminary or qualifying rounds, they compete against as many as possible of the other pilots. Then the top pilots fly in a single group the Final or Fly-Off rounds, which determine the winner. Excuse my ignorance I am new to the world of soaring. Are they launching like this in international competition? Sounds fun. VFBASS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Delays on posts from rcgroups.com (was :RE: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...)
RCSE sends posts from people directly subscribed to the list immediately to all those on the list. If you receive RCSE through a forwarder or post from a web based forum (such as rcgroups.com), those posts need to be screened by one of the moderators before it will be posted to the subscribers. This is all done to ensure that SPAM and other off-topic posts are sent to everyone on RCSE. The downside is that the moderators (Mike L and myself) have lives, and don't always get around to approving posts. When there is a delay, this is why. -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Delays on posts from rcgroups.com (was :RE: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...)
Thanks for the screening. I appreciate it. And, by the way, I think you meant to say that screening is done to ensue that spam is NOT posted. :) But I got the message. Chuck Anderson At 11:28 AM 1/9/2008, you wrote: RCSE sends posts from people directly subscribed to the list immediately to all those on the list. If you receive RCSE through a forwarder or post from a web based forum (such as rcgroups.com), those posts need to be screened by one of the moderators before it will be posted to the subscribers. This is all done to ensure that SPAM and other off-topic posts are sent to everyone on RCSE. The downside is that the moderators (Mike L and myself) have lives, and don't always get around to approving posts. When there is a delay, this is why. -l RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: Delays on posts from rcgroups.com (was :RE: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...)
Yes Chuck, the screening is done to insure spam is NOT forwarded to the list. Amazing what a missed word can do to the intent of a message :-) -l -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:47 AM To: Lex Mierop Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Delays on posts from rcgroups.com (was :RE: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...) Thanks for the screening. I appreciate it. And, by the way, I think you meant to say that screening is done to ensue that spam is NOT posted. :) But I got the message. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Hi Jack, Not sure where you have been in the USA soaring world but winches became standardize a long time ago. Ford long shaft motors, and braided line. I doubt there is an active contest winch that doesn't have Real Balls and 6 volt winds. As far as limiting the length of the line, its a really good way to beat up airframes for sure, and line too...but who is it you are challenging? DP? MS? SM? BC? or even me? Most guys who end up in the top 20ish around the country will end up in the same group regardless of launch height. I trying to figure out where the logic is that if the lines are shorter or the winches weaker, the automatic result will be those guys normally under that group will suddenly rise up and win enough wood to keep their winter homes warm. Lower launches, shorter lines just mean less possible thumb mistakes available to those of us who manage to fly thru obvious lift...and less minutes of flying for the day..and for the money...gas, entry fee, food, motels, airlines, rental car..money. Sounds like a receipe for shorterattendance. The penalty is to the less than top skilled pilots. the benefit is to the top skilled pilots. So I'm ready to hear where the logic that having a crappier launch system will make a better, fairer contest..and create a bigger participation draw. Here's one way to decide on winch line length...divide the cost of attending a contest per man into the distance from the winch to the turn around. Want to prove how great a sailplane pilot you are? Finish your LSF program, and help your clubmates do it too. Gordy -- Gordysoar Gordysoar's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=12801 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
schrederman Wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack Jack - Instead of challenging other folks why don't you just host the contest of your dreams and see if it works or not? I'm not at all likely to CD a contest that you will think is perfect, you need to get off the dime and do so if it's to be done at all. happy trails - Bubba -- Robglover Robglover's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=22665 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Walter, I can outland you without a skeg :p ... so what's your point? Jack :D -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Bubba... Well, if there were more than 2 glider guys within 2 hours of me, I'd put on a couple a year. I've been CD at more than my share of contests, beginning in 1975. Clovis MADS club may well host a glider contest this year. It's going to be a stretch, and I'm going to have to count on folks coming from out of town since there are only 2 of us in Clovis. The winch (1) will benefit from all the talk and thoughts of this and other posts. Gordy, I'm not sure where you've been in the USA Soaring world, but I will assure you that the winches I launched on 33 years ago are indeed eclipsed by many of the winches in use today. The look is the same, FLS motors, etc., but they pull a heck of a lot harder and faster. Read the challenge... Who am I challenging? The status quo and the ongoing escalation... Do you think I'm so dumb as to not know the challenge is greater from a lower altitude? Are the guys that practice and take this seriously going to win? Of course they are. This has nothing to do with some pie-in-the-sky crap about letting beginners win. As I said... put some challenge back into it. Airframes have advanced along with launching systems so that making your time isn't really too tough, anymore... especially if the lines are really out there. I put my winch out in Houston once at 300 meters. I could have flown to Galveston and back on that much altitude. Please read what's written, and don't read anything else into it. It's not there. By the way... the challenge says standardize, not weaken... if that means 6V winds with real balls, so be it. As to the skeg piece... Why not take that crutch away. Make the landing tape 40' long instead of 25', and still measure from center just like now. If you're really interested in what hard on airframes I believe that sudden stop is probably harder on them than about anything. Go ahead and let this escalate, and see where the attendance goes. Strange that I don't remember you from those days when the winches got totally out of hand and the kits (and lots of the builders) went away... and the attendance fell way off to not very many. Those that don't know history are bound to repeat it. Jack -- schrederman schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Don't know why but I just got a whole bunch of mail that should have been sent days ago. Reading thru the headers it should have left airage on the 3rd and 4th, but it just got forwarded. A bunch of you have already been playing with this thread... Can someone tell me why I just received all these days later. I like Jack's idea... I think we should standardize on the FAI system, then it won't be them and us anymore. Also 200m is the legal line length for winch launches.. no skegs, but you have to change the tape. If you don't have a skeg you shouldn't have the tight numbers we have for landing, that won't stop the dorking, it will only increase it, which is hard on ships. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Challenge...
Hay Jeff, Those post are from people who use Yahoo Groups to post to RCSE It happens once or twice a month... Craig Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know why but I just got a whole bunch of mail that should have been sent days ago. Reading thru the headers it should have left airage on the 3rd and 4th, but it just got forwarded. A bunch of you have already been playing with this thread... Can someone tell me why I just received all these days later. I like Jack's idea... I think we should standardize on the FAI system, then it won't be them and us anymore. Also 200m is the legal line length for winch launches.. no skegs, but you have to change the tape. If you don't have a skeg you shouldn't have the tight numbers we have for landing, that won't stop the dorking, it will only increase it, which is hard on ships. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
