[RCSE] Re: Re: SASS HELP ALERT !! Keeping Sixty Acres South for the Greater ...

2008-05-22 Thread Sisyphus

What is this all about?

Are electrics not welcome in 60 acres?


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[RCSE] Re: Re: SASS HELP ALERT !! Keeping Sixty Acres South for the Greater ...

2008-05-09 Thread _Mikey_

Thanks for explaining, Sherman. :)

I had typed up a pretty nasty flame, but then I cut it and didn't send
it. 

My point to posting was to let you know what kind of reaction you
caused with the electric guys.

There's a couple things that are immutable about Sunday.

1: The regularity of the crowd that you were confronting. These guys
(including the guy who told you not to take a picture of him) are all
there pretty much whenever they can be. I've known them for months. Some
for years. They show up down there more often than I do. They are
regulars at the field. But nobody's disputing the fact that the glider
guys were there first. And yes, we're there because of you. Obligatory
humility. I know the history. I signed the petitions in 2004  2007. 

These guys all fly 12-24oz birds made mostly of styrofoam and perhaps a
little balsa, with a few exceptions. The 4oz battery is the heaviest
part. For the most part, talking about safety with that size of
airplane, is like talking about safety with a 16oz frisbee, or a 24oz
football. Plastic props break before they break skin, unless you *hold*
your finger there like I did. :) 

Safety when you are talking about pounds and feet and gas, is a totally
different story, and that is why the AMA safety rules were created. To
keep people from getting injured by heavy birds.

Park fliers think it is ridiculous to be subjected to safety rules
which were written for a 5 plus pound bird. This is why your safety
argument was met with such hostility by the majority of fliers.

2: The reaction of the crowd that you were confronting. Without
exception, each and every single person that was there, either left to
go to the other side of the road, or was upset with you and poked fun of
you after you left. That reaction, inherently, over so many people,
regardless of electric or glider, speaks for itself.

Taking pictures of activity at the park, with these guys' knowledge of
your political agenda and Who You Are, General Sherman, right after
getting on them about flying over the parking lot, would certainly be
interpreted as an invasion of privacy, and you don't even have to be
paranoid.

On sunny days, two or three people a day stop by and ask questions of
me while I am flying, and I am very friendly to them. My friend from
work was there on Sunday, he was actually interested in the gliders,
till you came over. He *was* completely and totally unbiased. Way to
teach 'em! :) 

My point was, and remains, that as long as you cause this kind of
reaction in people, generically, whether soliciting their help or not
(and are you soliciting my help as an electric guy? Or not, cause I
sure am not a lawyer!), you will not succeed in your goal. That's the
truth, no matter whose help you are soliciting.

I'm trying to help you out and get you to chill out a little bit and
perhaps change your attitude towards people you interact with.
Interpersonal skill burnishing, call it. Perhaps these pointers into the
electric guys behavior might be of help to you in figuring out why,
when you speak at the council, you get results that you aren't
expecting.

Good luck. I know a lot is riding on this for you.


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Re: [RCSE] Re: Re: SASS HELP ALERT !! Keeping Sixty Acres South for the Greater ...

2008-05-09 Thread david . jensen
The size and weight of the electrics flying at 60 acres south has been growing 
steadily.  I have seen 5+ lb electrics flying there in the past month.  The 
Heli's are also getting larger.  I have seen several 600 size heli's flying at 
60 acres.  Its only a matter of time before a  28 lb 30% Extra with the new 4 
hacker motor setup shows up to fly.  Even a 5 oz electirc shock flyer can do 
damage to a little kid just walking thru the parking lot (remember the prop is 
spinning at 4,000 rpms).  Safety is utmost and no matter what you fly (yes even 
if it has no motor) SAFETY COMES FIRST.  If you want to fly as I see you flying 
go to a private place, be it a soccer field or some other open space.  When in 
a public park with public people walking around its a no brainer SAFETY COMES 
FIRST.



 -- Original message --
From: _Mikey_ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Thanks for explaining, Sherman. :)
 
 I had typed up a pretty nasty flame, but then I cut it and didn't send
 it. 
 
 My point to posting was to let you know what kind of reaction you
 caused with the electric guys.
 
 There's a couple things that are immutable about Sunday.
 
 1: The regularity of the crowd that you were confronting. These guys
 (including the guy who told you not to take a picture of him) are all
 there pretty much whenever they can be. I've known them for months. Some
 for years. They show up down there more often than I do. They are
 regulars at the field. But nobody's disputing the fact that the glider
 guys were there first. And yes, we're there because of you. Obligatory
 humility. I know the history. I signed the petitions in 2004  2007. 
 
 These guys all fly 12-24oz birds made mostly of styrofoam and perhaps a
 little balsa, with a few exceptions. The 4oz battery is the heaviest
 part. For the most part, talking about safety with that size of
 airplane, is like talking about safety with a 16oz frisbee, or a 24oz
 football. Plastic props break before they break skin, unless you *hold*
 your finger there like I did. :) 
 
 Safety when you are talking about pounds and feet and gas, is a totally
 different story, and that is why the AMA safety rules were created. To
 keep people from getting injured by heavy birds.
 
 Park fliers think it is ridiculous to be subjected to safety rules
 which were written for a 5 plus pound bird. This is why your safety
 argument was met with such hostility by the majority of fliers.
 
 2: The reaction of the crowd that you were confronting. Without
 exception, each and every single person that was there, either left to
 go to the other side of the road, or was upset with you and poked fun of
 you after you left. That reaction, inherently, over so many people,
 regardless of electric or glider, speaks for itself.
 
 Taking pictures of activity at the park, with these guys' knowledge of
 your political agenda and Who You Are, General Sherman, right after
 getting on them about flying over the parking lot, would certainly be
 interpreted as an invasion of privacy, and you don't even have to be
 paranoid.
 
 On sunny days, two or three people a day stop by and ask questions of
 me while I am flying, and I am very friendly to them. My friend from
 work was there on Sunday, he was actually interested in the gliders,
 till you came over. He *was* completely and totally unbiased. Way to
 teach 'em! :) 
 
 My point was, and remains, that as long as you cause this kind of
 reaction in people, generically, whether soliciting their help or not
 (and are you soliciting my help as an electric guy? Or not, cause I
 sure am not a lawyer!), you will not succeed in your goal. That's the
 truth, no matter whose help you are soliciting.
 
 I'm trying to help you out and get you to chill out a little bit and
 perhaps change your attitude towards people you interact with.
 Interpersonal skill burnishing, call it. Perhaps these pointers into the
 electric guys behavior might be of help to you in figuring out why,
 when you speak at the council, you get results that you aren't
 expecting.
 
 Good luck. I know a lot is riding on this for you.
 
 
 -- 
 _Mikey_
 
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