Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7546

2006-04-30 Thread Arne Ansper



On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Jeff Thompson wrote:

Case in point:  A couple of weeks ago I had to replace a compressor for a new 
Ductless-Split air conditioner (those little rectangular Japanese A/C's like 
Samsung, Mitsubishi, etc.)  Someone had cut the refrigerant lines in order to 
steal maybe $1 of copper, and the compressor continued to run without being 
cooled  oiled.  In short order the compressor burnt out and fouled with very 
smelly acid.  IMO that's what would happen with your window-unit vacuum pump.


The situation is little bit different whem you use the compressor for 
creating vacuum and not just let it run free.


If it runs, connected to nowhere (as in your case) it will overheat. If it 
is connected to vacuum bag it will evacuate all the air very quickly, 
become quiet and do not overheat.


If full vacuum is all you need (like in case of bagging the blue foam) 
then this compressor will work just fine running continously. If you bleed 
some air into the sucking side (intentionally in order to reduce the 
pressure or by leaking bag) then it will become hot and needs cooling fan.


Sometimes when I manage to get a perfectly sealed bag the compressor will 
be just slightly warm after running 24h.


It will mist some oil from the outlet side - but not very much. You should 
make sure that there is oil inside pump. When you turn pump upside down 
the oil will flow out. If you get new pump you normally do not know how 
it is handled, so it is best to add some new oil. I used cheapeast mineral 
oil for 4 stroke gasoline engines. First I added it too much so that pump 
did not even start. Poured some out until it started and kept like that.


regards,
Arne
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[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7546

2006-04-28 Thread Jeff Thompson
One problem with using an air conditioner compressor for a vacuum pump 
is that it would run hot, since air conditioner compressors are cooled 
by the cold refrigerant that is pulled into the crankcase  compressor 
pump.  It's also oiled by an ambient oil mist in the refrigerant vapor, 
so I don't think it would last long, even if it was hooked up to a 
vacuum switch that would shut it off when it was not needed to run.


Case in point:  A couple of weeks ago I had to replace a compressor for 
a new Ductless-Split air conditioner (those little rectangular Japanese 
A/C's like Samsung, Mitsubishi, etc.)  Someone had cut the refrigerant 
lines in order to steal maybe $1 of copper, and the compressor continued 
to run without being cooled  oiled.  In short order the compressor 
burnt out and fouled with very smelly acid.  IMO that's what would 
happen with your window-unit vacuum pump.


A vacuum pump system isn't very expensive--I'd go with the right stuff.  
I see used ones on eBay all the time.  Every once in awhile Ed Berris of 
skykingrcproducts.com sells some good systems, so you might check with 
Ed through his website to see if he has any on hand he'd like to sell.  
From what I've seen, he knows his vacuum systems well  gives an 
accurate assessment of the condition of his goods.  (He's also a good guy.)


Jeff Thompson
Pipefitter--Local 539, Minneapolis  :-)

Soaring wrote:

SoaringFri, 28 Apr 2006 Volume 1 : Number 7546

In this issue:

Compressor motor for vacuum bag system
RE: [RCSE] Compressor motor for vacuum bag system


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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:38:38 -0700
From: Scott and Jennifer Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: soaring@airage.com
Subject: Compressor motor for vacuum bag system
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