[RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND

2005-11-02 Thread MSu1049321

While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting 
together and etc.  it can't give you land to fly on.  For the next decade, this 
is 
the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel the Pinch as 
more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more and 
more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to fly at most 
of the  flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it 
continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap each other.  
Yes, 
you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and 
smaller...  but that's not the only kind of flying I want to do.  And as glider 
folk, 
I don't think most of you do either.

Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, and 
developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more litigious 
and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either an 
annoyance or national security threat...  How much flying will you be able to 
get 
in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope?  It's 
going to happen, just a question of time.

This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and 
keeping flying sites with a long-term view.  And that's a worthy goal no matter 
WHAT you fly.

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Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND

2005-11-02 Thread Lee Estingoy
Agreed, but that's a hard one to solve.  Mr. Beshar tries very hard, and 
clearly has great intentions.  However, in the recent past when I tried to 
get help from AMA for that sort of thing, I was very sorely disappointed in 
the quality of the program.  It (then - I don't know about now) consisted 
primarily of a packet of info and testimonials from lesser known astronauts 
that clearly linked their involvement in model planes to their success as 
astronauts.  Great, but how the hell does that get me a flying field or ride 
on a rocketship for that matter?


Again, this is a very noble goal, that the AMA be involved and be a TRUE 
resource for lobbying and securing long term solutions to flying sites in 
the respective areas.  I don't think that the staff (or the budget) are 
presently up to that task.


I also think that the AMA better come up with some REAL solution to the 
Parkflyer / renegade flier (vs. or nearby) traditional fields issue.  Seems 
to me a long time ago the AMA could have simply huddled with the 3 or 4 RC 
TX manufacturers and gotten them to voluntarily put the parkie (4 channel 
and under) radios on a select few channels and warned the rest of us to stay 
clear (like driving on New Year's Eve).


Bottom line for me is that the AMA has a lot of dedicated volunteers who 
mean well, but either aren't informed as to the AMA's goals, policies and 
issues, or are clueless due to time constraints, age-related technophobia 
(VCRs are blinking 12?), or are simply in over their heads.  AMA's primary 
goal seems to be gaining membership.  Their answer to the where's the 
beef? question is rather lame.


The solution to all of those is LEADERSHIP.  I haven't seen much of that. 
Yes, I have looked for it.


I don't think we are talking about soaring here...

Lee
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While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting
together and etc.  it can't give you land to fly on.  For the next decade, 
this is
the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel the 
Pinch as
more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more 
and
more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to fly at 
most

of the  flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it
continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap each 
other.  Yes,

you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and
smaller...  but that's not the only kind of flying I want to do.  And as 
glider folk,

I don't think most of you do either.

Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, 
and
developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more 
litigious
and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either 
an
annoyance or national security threat...  How much flying will you be able 
to get
in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope? 
It's

going to happen, just a question of time.

This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and
keeping flying sites with a long-term view.  And that's a worthy goal no 
matter

WHAT you fly.

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Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND

2005-11-02 Thread Mike Smith

So here is a question sure to draw some comments...

Why not set up a program (details of which will be exhaustively long) 
that sets out to secure properties for RC flight operations?  Buy, or 
lease long term, land in various regions to provide permanent 
securable flying sites.  Members could pay into the program based on 
the field location, and price.  The plusses here are way too many to 
enumerate, but the negatives...yeah I knowthis is just a little 
hobby, and there won't be any support for land acquisitions.  Seems 
to me though that the right person with the right mind set could put 
together a program that would provide flying sites and security for 
the future of our little hobby that I like to refer to as a 
sport.  Frankly, I think if we treat it more like a sport, we might 
get more support, and be taken more seriously...


There you go...

How's that for 2 cents.

Mike (maybe a bit naive) Smith




At 12:55 PM 11/2/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


While the Internet has changed a lot of things about clubs and getting
together and etc.  it can't give you land to fly on.  For the next 
decade, this is
the largest challenge our hobby faces. Even park flyers will feel 
the Pinch as

more and more people cram onto smaller and smaller park spaces for more and
more of the day's flyable hours. Already I have to forget trying to 
fly at most

of the  flyable park land in my area because team sports are using it
continually for one sport or the other, and the darn games overlap 
each other.  Yes,

you can fly in a driveway or cul-de-sac, the planes getting smaller and
smaller...  but that's not the only kind of flying I want to 
do.  And as glider folk,

I don't think most of you do either.

Access is the real problem looming, with land prices going ever-upward, and
developers grabbing up farm land everywhere you look, and a more litigious
and over-careful society that more and more, looks at our hobby as either an
annoyance or national security threat...  How much flying will you 
be able to get

in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope?  It's
going to happen, just a question of time.

This to my mind is the number one goal AMA should have now: getting, and
keeping flying sites with a long-term view.  And that's a worthy 
goal no matter

WHAT you fly.

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Re: [RCSE] Re: Some thoughts on AMA-it's about LAND

2005-11-02 Thread Michael Lachowski
Wow, you have slope and thermal sites in less than an hours drive. 
That's pretty good. A better description for NJ is it takes an hour to 
get anywhere for anything.  I will admit I'm lucky in that I do have a 
field 10 minutes away and I can fly the small stuff out of my back yard.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much flying will you be able to get
in when you will have to drive an hour each way to the field or slope?  It's 
going to happen, just a question of time.



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