Re: [RCSE] extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.

2001-03-30 Thread Rick Eckel

Hi Kevin,

So, I'm to understand from your post that if we all gave up the 
'high-dollar' fiberglass, foam, moulded sailplanes and the computer radios 
that there would be thousands of new guys suddenly enter the hobby?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion... :-)

Rick
Orlando


At 08:04 AM 3/30/01 +, Kevin O'Dell wrote:
hi guys...

first of alli've known d.o. for about 10 or 12 years now and know him
pretty well.  enough to know that he was flying  r/c gliders and winning
contests before most of us knew what a transmitter even looked like...he has
built more gliders (yeah, the wood and silkspan type) than i care to think
about.  in other wordshe knows from where he speaksand i have to
agree with him that the emphasis on the high dollar fiberglass and foam
ships..of which i have my fair share...keeps a lot of folks out of this
great hobby.  Nostalgia is a good first start.and RES may be a good
thing.

all i'm saying is that we should LOOK for ways to make this facet of the
hobby more attractive to newcomers.

and remember, this is a HOBBYnot rocket science, and there is room for
every opinionincluding the F3B is the most fun commentpersonally, i
think that F3B pretty much STINKS...just my opinion.

kevin o'dell

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Re: [RCSE] extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.

2001-03-30 Thread Michael Neverdosky

Rick Eckel wrote:
 
 Hi Kevin,
 
 So, I'm to understand from your post that if we all gave up the
 'high-dollar' fiberglass, foam, moulded sailplanes and the computer radios
 that there would be thousands of new guys suddenly enter the hobby?
 
 Everyone is entitled to an opinion... :-)

As I see it, expense is not what is keeping people out of the hobby.
Go to any magazine stand and see how many RC soaring magazines are on
the shelf. Now look to see how many Motorcycle offroad racing magazines
are there.
To get started in motorcycle racing takes at least $10,000 to start and
costs $$$ every week, gas, oil, tires, pistons, rings, other parts, entry
fees etc. So very expensive but there are LOTS of people racing motorcycles.
Why?
Excitement and exposure.
People know that motorcycle racing exists. They can see it on TV nearly any
day.
People perceive racing as exciting both to participate and to watch.
How many people find soaring exciting to watch? I mean besides those
participating. :-)(

-- 
Michael Neverdosky N6CHV  AMA 77292
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[RCSE] Extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.

2001-03-30 Thread Chris Phil



 think that F3B pretty much STINKS...just my opinion.

It is to bad you have not had a pleasant F3B experience...what can the F3B
guys do to help you become more attracted to this fine event?


One more turn Bozo
Phil and Christine Lontz
Tucson in the winter
Summer in ???
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Re: [RCSE] extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.

2001-03-30 Thread Dan Borer

I don't know about the fields you fly at, but here in So Cal many of our
fields are surrounded by lots of houses, streets, churches, freeways and
millions of eyeballs. It is an unusual day when we don't have at least
several spectators stop by to look and ask questions.

First they want to know where the motor is and then want to know why we use
the a piece of string before we fly. Every one of us takes all the time
necessary to educate our guests and invite them in to give soaring a try.
They all look at all of the planes sitting around, especially admiring the
shiny moldies resting on their stands, but seem to be attracted to the
simple bent wing examples. I don't know if they fear the investment in a
moldie or realize the RES planes are more appropriate to begin with, but
most interest is in the simple wooden built up planes. A number of these
visitors come back again and again, finally accepting our invitation to join
us. Usually, in short order, a club member will then offer to give them an
older but fully serviceable plane to learn to fly with. It is with great
satisfaction that we watch our new member progress to the point where they
can launch, fly and land with only a few words of advice or encouragement.
The care they lavish on their old hand-me-down can teach us how we should
treat our planes.

Yes, this is a great hobby and bringing in the new fliers is definitely
worth the time and effort spent.

Dan
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 on 3/30/01 1:04 AM, Kevin O'Dell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  all i'm saying is that we should LOOK for ways to make this facet of the
  hobby more attractive to newcomers.
 Newcomers??? What??? There aren't any. So you can't make toy airplanes
more
 attractive. People either like it or they don't. And it they don't one can
 not make it more attractive. Besides...just what is unattractive about
this
 hobby anyway?

 One more turn Bozo. Anticounterclockwise please
 Phil and Christine Lontz
 Tucson in the winter
 Summer in your yard
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Re: [RCSE] extreme, extreme, extreme...etc.

2001-03-30 Thread Thrmlboy

In a message dated 01-03-30 09:09:56 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Nostalgia is a good first start.and RES may be a good
 thing.

What about all off these bagged  now molded RES ships that will be all the 
rage on the RES circuit.  Nostalgia can be bothersome to get into because of 
the need to find Nostalgia 'legal' kits.

 all i'm saying is that we should LOOK for ways to make this facet of the
 hobby more attractive to newcomers.

Go to your local hobby shop, plenty of entry level ships...Great planes 
Spirit, Gentle Ladies, Sig Risers (my choice as a 14 yr old kid).  I think 
Risers and GL's can be had for ~$40...no need to LOOK, the options are 
already here.
 
 and remember, this is a HOBBYnot rocket science, and there is room for
 every opinionincluding the F3B is the most fun commentpersonally, i
 think that F3B pretty much STINKS...just my opinion.

Actually it is "rocket science" as soon as you tinker or modify a design.  :-)

It's a shame about your F3b opinion, the truest test of sailplane piloting 
skill, man on man format, no sandbagging, all aspects of piloting and air 
reading skills used.
Plus it is a hell of a lot of fun to get together with the 20+ other US f3b 
pilots for a wknd of extreme fun and camraderie.

tom miller
carlisle, pa
 
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