Re: [RCSE] JR blues
So what you are saying is Apple should make a radio :-) "D.O. Darnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can't argue with the weight or power consumption of a STY. Those early NSC processors and EPROMS are pretty power hungry. I'm glad you like your JR. However, The point I was trying to make, albeit poorly, was that reverting to a 20-year old problem (channel to channel mixing only ) is really kind of silly (unless you're talking about 14 channels, maybe). When you think about, all sets these days, whether JR, AIR, FUT HiT, etc are programmed by simply selecting a value on a screen and pushing a button or rotating a pot. Thats OK but could be much better. My point is that we need the simplicity using abstractions having functional viewpoints, plus decent documentation/tutorials that "average" (non programmers) can understand and implement, PLUS the ability to adjust the "desktop" as it were to suit and serve the TX's user. At the same time, we need the upgradability like that of the PC so we can load SD chips, etc with whatever programming paradigm we wish to use, and understandable software to generate and update the same. An IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for the R/C TX, as it were.Some think this impossible or improbable, but I heard the same nay-saying when, a "few" years ago, I suggested on this forum that some day we wouldn't need frequency pins and that everyone could fly at once. Model setup storage is the first step in this direction. Airtronics was among the first to implement this (along with Multiplex). Perhaps the next step is, as my friend Don suggested, a good simulator program (MAC/PC) that will let you see (emulate reality) what you new setup is capable of in a "virtual" glider, prior to dumping it into the TX and using it for real. CRRSIM is an open-source simulator that features gliders. Check it out. *** It may, in a future iteration, qualify for the job of the emulator. The long-in-the-tooth Stylus was not the first programmable TX, nor was the even longer-toothed Vision (I still own two of them as well) but they were the first really useable and soaring-friendly programmables. Those which followed stood, as they say, on tall shoulders. C Systems Labs was responsible for their programming and I mentioned the STY as it uses this firms firmware. I never meant to imply that Stys are superior to JRs or anything of the kind, although several folks have apparently taken it that way. Guys like those at C Systems can program any brand it they chose to. JR seems to get picked on more than other brands, and even they could possibly use some help, once in a while. And for those of you who had Stylus problems, did you send them in for maintenance / service every three years of so? Uhuh! d.o. *** try GOOGLE On Aug 8, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Walter H wrote: > D.O., I got rid of my battery eating, heavy as a brick, hope the > internal batteries don't cause me to lose model memory, ect, ect > Stylus and got a JR 9303. I have never missed the Stylus not even > for a minute. Now that is saying a lot coming from me because I > owned two Visions prior to getting a Stylus. I was a dyed in the > wool Airtronics guy. But never again. > > Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR blues
Can't argue with the weight or power consumption of a STY. Those early NSC processors and EPROMS are pretty power hungry. I'm glad you like your JR. However, The point I was trying to make, albeit poorly, was that reverting to a 20-year old problem (channel to channel mixing only ) is really kind of silly (unless you're talking about 14 channels, maybe). When you think about, all sets these days, whether JR, AIR, FUT HiT, etc are programmed by simply selecting a value on a screen and pushing a button or rotating a pot. Thats OK but could be much better. My point is that we need the simplicity using abstractions having functional viewpoints, plus decent documentation/tutorials that "average" (non programmers) can understand and implement, PLUS the ability to adjust the "desktop" as it were to suit and serve the TX's user. At the same time, we need the upgradability like that of the PC so we can load SD chips, etc with whatever programming paradigm we wish to use, and understandable software to generate and update the same. An IDE (Integrated Development Environment) for the R/C TX, as it were.Some think this impossible or improbable, but I heard the same nay-saying when, a "few" years ago, I suggested on this forum that some day we wouldn't need frequency pins and that everyone could fly at once. Model setup storage is the first step in this direction. Airtronics was among the first to implement this (along with Multiplex). Perhaps the next step is, as my friend Don suggested, a good simulator program (MAC/PC) that will let you see (emulate reality) what you new setup is capable of in a "virtual" glider, prior to dumping it into the TX and using it for real. CRRSIM is an open-source simulator that features gliders. Check it out. *** It may, in a future iteration, qualify for the job of the emulator. The long-in-the-tooth Stylus was not the first programmable TX, nor was the even longer-toothed Vision (I still own two of them as well) but they were the first really useable and soaring-friendly programmables. Those which followed stood, as they say, on tall shoulders. C Systems Labs was responsible for their programming and I mentioned the STY as it uses this firms firmware. I never meant to imply that Stys are superior to JRs or anything of the kind, although several folks have apparently taken it that way. Guys like those at C Systems can program any brand it they chose to. JR seems to get picked on more than other brands, and even they could possibly use some help, once in a while. And for those of you who had Stylus problems, did you send them in for maintenance / service every three years of so? Uhuh! d.o. *** try GOOGLE On Aug 8, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Walter H wrote: D.O., I got rid of my battery eating, heavy as a brick, hope the internal batteries don't cause me to lose model memory, ect, ect Stylus and got a JR 9303. I have never missed the Stylus not even for a minute. Now that is saying a lot coming from me because I owned two Visions prior to getting a Stylus. I was a dyed in the wool Airtronics guy. But never again. Walter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR blues
Wow, not sure where to start. I guess life for you is so nice that you have to stir some controversy in order to feel alive? :) I guess all I can do is look at my personal experience and say that when I am at out field and there happens to be a problem with a radio in terms of programming, it is always an Airtronics problem. Thats why I fly JR. Mixes mysteriously turning on an undesireable control, surface glitches, control surfaces not operating at all, control throws creating some sort of weird creation of one aileron, the rudder and a flap popping up out of thin air on a program that was solid last week. Sort of like a ghost in the machine. The one thing I would like to see in all radios would be a mode that would display the radio front with an arrow that would jump from switch to switch on the radio picture so that when you got to the switch you wanted to use, you could click a button and start programming that switch the way you want it. But at the end of the day, I like my JR 9303 and wouldn't trade it for a sack full of stylus's. No flame suit on here, just a little sunblock. Tom > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Soaring@airage.com> Subject: [RCSE] JR blues> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:09:44 -0500> > > Seems like reinventing the wheel to me.. but maybe I'm just in a > funny MODE.> > Completely "open" programming paradigms are not very useful as > evidenced by the lack of success and popularity (specifically, their > programming) of the ACE and Multiplex TX's for the "common hobbiest"> > It's a lot simpler to program "functionality" than servo movement, > etc. because abstractions like "mix" "exponential" etc are more > desirable (understandable) since a lot of the work is all ready done > for you.> > But, maybe you guys can find the folks at C Systems Lab and get them > to program a EEPROM for you with the STYLUS programming or similar so > you won't have so much trouble with those pesky JRs!> > Or,, maybe, you can just give your JR a lobotomy? :<)> > (flame suit on)> > D.O.> > > > > On Aug 8, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Soaring wrote:> > > Soaring Fri, 8 Aug 2008 Volume 1 : > > Number 11521> >> > In this issue:> >> > RE: [RCSE] Re: "I have a Challenge for JR/Spectrum DSM Radios!"> >> >> > --> >> > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:12:40 -0400> > From: "Sheldon Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: "'SteveR'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,> > > > Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: "I have a Challenge for JR/Spectrum DSM > > Radios!"> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > HERE, HERE! Ya' got MY vote (FWIW)...> >> > Sheldon> > ROC, NY> >> > -Original Message-> > From: SteveR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:45 AM> > To: soaring@airage.com> > Subject: [RCSE] Re: "I have a Challenge for JR/Spectrum DSM Radios!"> >> >> > I've got a challenge for JR: How about offering open programming as> > Multiplex does so you can start from a blank sheet of paper and assign> > all controls, RX port inputs, all servo functions and all mixes to > > your> > individual specifications. No form of programming is easier or more> > flexible than this.> >> > I suspect hell will freeze over and Gordy will retire from the hobby> > before this happens.> >> > Pity,> >> > Steve> >> >> > -- > > SteveR> > > > SteveR's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=7591> > View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904850> >> > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > "subscribe" and> > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note > > that> > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format > > with> > MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail > > and AOL> > are generally NOT in text format> >> > --> >> > End of Soaring V1 #11521> > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe > > messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > > Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > > generally NOT in text format> >> > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format _ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM
