Re: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ?
And then we flew three rounds. Just to keep it soaring related. Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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In the last 6 months you made only 1 half way soaring related. Do you really soar or just read about it? At 10:51 AM 9/22/2005, Lighthorse wrote: I just ran across this and thought it interesting WHO IS RESPONSIBLE In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much! for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The levee board had extra money so they bought a casino and a jet airplane to travel around in. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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This does NOT belong here. Find a political BS site for this crap. Randy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Your analysis is just wrong. Wrong to be on the list, and wrong otherwise. As with ANY political fiasco, there are many facets to the story. Unless you know most, you are simply not qualified to comment. Simply sitting your ___ in front of FOX does not make you qulified in the least to comment, although it might make you slightly more informed than the morons you are rooting for. 1. Undoubtedly everybody screwed up. 2. This was actually a successful evacuation. You should go back and research the recent efforts for the near-miss events of the past 3 or 4 years. 3. I doubt you know anything about the legal responsibilities of the the levee districts and their co-ordination with the US A Corps of Engineers. Stifle your comments unless you know the truth. Your knowledge of the the casino is wrong. 4. The Bush administration has been exposed for it's incompetence and willingness to appoint Nothingburgers to office. I offer Chertoff, Brown, as well as Rice, maintaining Tenet, etc. For more, see the articles in the papers today about their appointment for the head of the morph that used to be Immigration. A 36 year old lawyer woman who hasn't held a single job for more than 24 months... See also unfunded mandates such as no child left behind, and perhaps even that little reported event - IRAQ as examples of foresight and leadership. 5. Regardless of how the locals screwed up, the feds are part of the plan to get relief in after the storm. The locals had supplies for what was planned for, the feds and likely the state, dropped the plan. 6. Compare with the Bush administration's masterful handling of the looting in Baghdad in the hours and days after the victorious conqueration(?) of Iraq. 7. The only thing that was missing from that idiot's speeches in and around New Orleans in the aftermath was a declaration that he was waiting for the people of New Orleans to draft a new constitution. 8. You fail to mention what part of the country you call home. Thank your lucky stars and hug your baby, say a prayer that YOU aren't reliant on the FEDS for relief from a catastrophy. You simply have no idea of the scope of the disaster down there. 9. Once the US military was finally tasked to deal with things, amazing stuff started to happen. 10. Leadership DOES NOT EXIST in the EXECUTIVE branch. BTW, I was a resident of New Orleans for 35 of the past 39 years. My family made it out OK, they lost 6 of 9 houses. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS - Original Message - From: Lighthorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring @ airage.com soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? I just ran across this and thought it interesting WHO IS RESPONSIBLE In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much! for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The levee board had extra money so they bought a casino and a jet airplane to travel around in. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe
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Ken, Pull your head out of your arse and look at this thing with a little reality. Everybody involved played a role in the fiasco down there. If it was so much the Local Governments responsibility, then I wonder why the Federal Government is so heavily involved this time with Rita approaching Texas. Could it have anything to do with what state our Village Idiot (oops I mean President) is from? I would like to hope not, but I do believe it does. The Federal Government could have just as easily staged for Katrina as they have for Rita, if they had not had there heads buried in their respective arses as well. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS From: Lighthorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/22 Thu AM 11:51:46 EDT To: Soaring @ airage.com soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? I just ran across this and thought it interesting WHO IS RESPONSIBLE In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much! for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The levee board had extra money so they bought a casino and a jet airplane to travel around in. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Take it somewhere else. It might be the time but not the place for it. Phil in Vancouver RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
WAS - Re: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? NOW: Where is Tom?
Where is Tom Nagel when we need to break log jams like this (with his quick wit)? Must be the precursor for the annual Bambidon vs. PETA people, followed by the downwind turn debate and then the annual 'Hate Sal' thread. Help me out people, have I missed any upcoming discussion topics here? Where is Gordy with a 'what have you flown lately'? obligatory soaring content: Tri-State Soaring finished the season this past Sunday with a contest in Pittsburgh's Hartwood Acres. Pete Carr kept his death grip on the season totals in both Unlimited and RES. Reece Brock won unlimited for the day and Dale Soergel won RES. Thanks to everyone who flew with us this year! Kevin www.ts3.org At 01:47 PM 9/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: WAS - Re: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? NOW: Where is Tom?
Kevin you left out the most important discussion of all fall or winter threads. Skag or no Skag. That is the question! Oh no! Maurice - Original Message - From: Kevin Sheen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: WAS - Re: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ? NOW: Where is Tom? Where is Tom Nagel when we need to break log jams like this (with his quick wit)? Must be the precursor for the annual Bambidon vs. PETA people, followed by the downwind turn debate and then the annual 'Hate Sal' thread. Help me out people, have I missed any upcoming discussion topics here? Where is Gordy with a 'what have you flown lately'? obligatory soaring content: Tri-State Soaring finished the season this past Sunday with a contest in Pittsburgh's Hartwood Acres. Pete Carr kept his death grip on the season totals in both Unlimited and RES. Reece Brock won unlimited for the day and Dale Soergel won RES. Thanks to everyone who flew with us this year! Kevin www.ts3.org At 01:47 PM 9/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WHO IS RESPONSIBLE ?
on 09/22/05 10:51 AM, Lighthorse at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just ran across this and thought it interesting WHO IS RESPONSIBLE In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsibility for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is: 1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). Then he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much! for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them 5. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The levee board had extra money so they bought a casino and a jet airplane to travel around in. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Finger pointing is mostly done by people who are unwilling to help. Figure out who your neighbour is and stop feeling so self righteous. Mickey Sullivan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Ouch! I didn't Think I had the exchange on the list I sent that to, I just thought it was interesting and thought I sent it to the family list. I never said one way or another my opinion of that statement. But I will say I am totally surprised in how many people will verbally attack some one they think might have different view of what they believe. anyway that statement that was sent to me was supposed to go to family who would have gotten a lol out of it, oh well sorry. -- Ken York County Soaring Lighthorse Team YCS Silence is Golden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
