Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Gordy, There you go again. Why do you have to be critical of others ideas? I noticed you did not manage to add one good point to the conversation just a bunch of normal BS. If you go back and read Jack's post he did not mention anything about 300' Lines but actually mentioned 600' lines. Heck even YOU should be able to make your time with 600' lines. Of course we all know the reason you are against short lines is not your fear of not making your time but of popping off since the shorter the line the less stretch and the easier it is to pop off. Now me on the other hand, I had a few rounds at the TNT that I did not make my time with the long lines they had. Not sure how long they were but even Henry B looked little out at the turn around. I personally liked Jack's suggestions and would have no problem flying his format. No matter how they set it up, it is equal for everyone once they hook em up. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150 SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman --- - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Already the silly season of winter has swung into high gear. Suggesting a line strength and turnaround distance as required info for AMA contest sanctions so we can choose whether to go or not go to specific contests. Also smell a possible black helicoptor conspericy with the trend towards shorter, hi test lines to force all sailplane launching to be of the motorized variation. No more winches, hi test lines, sandbagging, popoffs, sore shoulders, downwind launches etc. to deal with. I'm begining to warm up to the idea. Regards, Dave Corven. ---BeginMessage--- Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150"SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ftBuzz AverillOn Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman --- - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ---End Message---
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
I have to add my 2 cents worth here Next time Gordy shows up to a contest make sure he flies a 2x4 At least he will not have to worry about line length, hand-launch, line strength or pop-offs... I'll go back to work now [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Already the silly season of winter has swung into high gear. Suggesting a line strength and turnaround distance as required info for AMA contest sanctions so we can choose whether to go or not go to specific contests. Also smell a possible black helicoptor conspericy with the trend towards shorter, hi test lines to force all sailplane launching to be of the motorized variation. No more winches, hi test lines, sandbagging, popoffs, sore shoulders, downwind launches etc. to deal with. I'm begining to warm up to the idea. Regards, Dave Corven. !DSPAM:477e8dbf66251515390450! Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:23:50 + To: Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150 SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line /will /get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman --- - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Can you discuss launch a Supra? RVC - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks.
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
I think what Gordy is trying to point out in his own way (tongue firmly established in cheek) is that regulating line length or strength or whatever takes away from the individuality of different contests...some groups have the ability to use a very long distance to the turnaround (right Henry?) and others don't..some have gorilla winches and others don't..using what you have is part of what makes this hobby interesting..being able to adapt to a given situation is what separates the great pilots from the good pilots.I would be willing to bet Joe Wurts can adapt to just about any situation of launch equipment and aircraft type if he has to.It's like showing up at a contest with an Oly and having 15mph winds..what do you do...grab some ballast and be VERY light on the pedal (it can be done...). I for one am all for keeping the variety in the sport...fly what you got and launch with what's available.though you might ask a few intelligent questions first, like, is this a 6 volt winch with a 12 volt battery or what Just my $.05 worth (inflation don't ya know) Kevin O'Dell On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150 SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman -- - - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
Got news for ya-- Joe would still win. Gordy wrote: lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge? Wow Jack , You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-) I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks. We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs. Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more. Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner! That new 150 SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off). 300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring eventlets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-) Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter. Gordy :-) In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround should be even shorter, maybe 300ft Buzz Averill On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote: Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many looked at it... So here goes :eek: For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old... in fact it got old a long time ago... My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON! Jack (Darth) Womack -- schrederman --- - schrederman's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=13218 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794683 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM
Re: [RCSE] Brain Fart or Challenge?
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