I think what Gordy is trying to point out in his own way (tongue firmly established in cheek) is that regulating line length or strength or whatever takes away from the individuality of different contests.......some groups have the ability to use a very long distance to the turnaround (right Henry?) and others don't......some have gorilla winches and others don't......using what you have is part of what makes this hobby interesting......being able to adapt to a given situation is what separates the great pilots from the good pilots.....I would be willing to bet Joe Wurts can adapt to just about any situation of launch equipment and aircraft type if he has to.....It's like showing up at a contest with an Oly and having 15mph winds......what do you do.......grab some ballast and be VERY light on the pedal (it can be done.......).

I for one am all for keeping the variety in the sport.......fly what you got and launch with what's available.....though you might ask a few intelligent questions first, like, is this a 6 volt winch with a 12 volt battery or what........

Just my $.05 worth (inflation don't ya know)

Kevin O'Dell

On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wow Jack ,

You are really on to it with this shortening lines thing ! I sat around for quite a few minutes before I thought of something even dumber ...but I managed! :-)

I'm thinking with us getting older and the cost of fuel to lug winches around, and if its really about pilot skill and thermal reading/working...lets just hand toss the damn things and call for 20min tasks.

We'd be able to get in about 40 rounds per day so that would make contests that much more attractive to attend, and of course set up would be minimal, also no hassles with changing turnarounds for wind direction, and those mysterious bastards who you all seem to know are out there who take advantage of line breaks and pop offs, well 'they' will be out of luck with no lines to break and no pop offs.

Setting up the models will be easier because there will be no need to agonize over tow hook placement, elevator comps or camber switch programming. Those of you who haven't figured out how to program your JR radios so that there's no need to flip a switch to make the throttle stick camber or landing lever in mid flight, again no worries, not needed any more.

Dang it makes so much sense, so logical, can't figure out why you guys didn't think of this sooner!

That new 150" SupraDurpraIcon will devour the soaring scene! I mean it will have to have a glide advantage and no worries about clogging up contests with broken line concerns. (and will provide fodder to RC Groups about it having an unfair advantage demanding that owners leave its tips off).

300'? I laugh! Lets show 'those' guys at contest that us real men want a true soaring event....lets get rid of winches all together! What do you think Chicago? You guys seem to have been sitting around thinking up good ideas :-)

Shorten the lines and you can bet the line will get shorter.

Gordy :-)

In a message dated 1/4/2008 10:46:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree with you Jack, but I think the distance to the turnaround
should be even shorter, maybe 300ft

Buzz Averill

On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:48 PM, schrederman wrote:

>
> Well I posted this under Best wishes for 2008... but not too many
> looked
> at it... So here goes :eek:
>
> For this year, I'd like to issue a challenge to the soaring community. > For 30 years, we've been launching as high as possible, trying to stay > aloft for 10 minutes, and coming down on a spot, carrying a skeg that > many times arrests on the line rather than the ground. That gets old...
> in fact it got old a long time ago...
>
> My challenge is to standardize the American TD winch, including line
> strength, and to do away with landing skegs. I also think the
> turnaround should be no more than 600' from the launch point. Let's put
> some challenge back into this. Flame suit ON!
>
> Jack (Darth) Womack
>
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