Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Buzz Averill]

Finally, the truth and the best approach

Buzz Averill
On Dec 20, 2007, at 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



So guys, here is my take on the line break issue.  It is very much like
the F3B style...of course.

The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line
strength combination.  If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit
the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest,
unflawed lines.

So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by
resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't
break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength.  Then, as contest
director, you say to the contestants "go ahead, full pedal the suckers,
you only get so much power anyway".  I mean seriously, why should the
contest managers cater to anyone.  Set the rules, set up the equipment
so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants.

You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your
staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing 
a

cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so
complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of 
us

having to hear about it  :-)

There you go.  THE PERFECT SOLUTION.

Respectfully submitted,

Mike Smith

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am
To: "Joe Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 

Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See
my other post for the direct issues.

Darwin
On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote:

Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and break
the line!! fly it out!!  You launch on the same equipment that everyone
else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn 
to

launch "
and besides who says bigger is better(-:   Airbus is sure having a 
tough

time.

smokinjoe
- Original Message -
From: Darwin N. Barrie
To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2


I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the 
Euro

models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of
moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are 
becoming

more prevelant.  Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be
a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a
few big ones.

We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but
the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line
drag and weight.

Where do we draw the line?

Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ

- Original Message -
From: SC Johnson
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2


OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) -
there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague
comparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I
thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple
Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and
news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be
a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr.
Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a
wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and
carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces
as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is
way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type
this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered
just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list.


No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's 
busy

working on my planes. Just get on the list.


Whahooo...
Steve Johnson






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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was, Icon 2

[Lincoln Ross]

It's not a big thrill to me, but I think most flyers really enjoy the big zooms. I got a 12V wind motor because I didn't know any better. It launches gliders fine, even big ones(134" and 85 oz.), but it doesn't power the big zoom. 


Academic for me now because somehow I lost track of it in the last move. And it 
had a Goughner (sp?) drum.

Mike Lachowski wrote:
You should investigate options on the field coils.  The FLS can be built 
as a 6V, 12V, or 24V.  You definitely do not want the 6V variety But 
that is just what most people try to get to be more powerful.


Beware of resistors. Lots of heat. 

Remember, with the resistor, folks are just going to stand on it all the 
way up.

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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Mike Lachowski]

Also, if you have real balls, you can adjust the timing to make the 
winch weaker.


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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Mike Lachowski]

You should investigate options on the field coils.  The FLS can be built 
as a 6V, 12V, or 24V.  You definitely do not want the 6V variety But 
that is just what most people try to get to be more powerful.


Beware of resistors. Lots of heat. 

Remember, with the resistor, folks are just going to stand on it all the 
way up.


Rick Bothell wrote:
Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor.  I just finished making 6 resistors 
for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less 
powerful Ford Long Shaft winches.   The winches will be less powerful than last 
years winches because of the many line breaks last year.   The line breaks 
really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced 
winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines.  So, you people coming to 
Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches 
with resistors.   Rick


  


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RE: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[mike]

Hey Marc,
 
The funny thing about that is that the Sharon is a 3.7meter ship, and it won in '04.  hm!!!  That beats the Insanity.  Of course if you used wing area as a criteria, then Insanity would reign since it is truly Carbon Overcast when it is flying...  ;-)
 
Happy Holidays.
 
Mike
 Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management- was Icon 2From: Marc Gellart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 4:19 pmTo: Soaring Exchange Hey Tony E., you are wrong about the largest ship to win the Nats. It was DP with his Insanity, 3.7M.And for the record, the line used at the Nats is 290# line from MT.MarcRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com. Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Marc Gellart]

Hey Tony E., you are wrong about the largest ship to win the Nats.  It was DP 
with his Insanity, 3.7M.

And for the record, the line used at the Nats is 290# line from MT.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[S Meyer]

Good discussions and comments.  Glad to see you stepping up Rick and 
testing the waters.


I for one think that the line is getting too heavy because the 
winches are just too powerful.


So who's going to draft and propose the rules change?  Should the 
wording and strength be same as F3B winches?


I do not think monofilament will work on "borrowed" club winches it 
will just get too torn up and will be expensive to maintain.  Bad 
monofilament line  will break and delay a contest more than a FLS 
with 150# line.


What will it cost to retrofit FLS winches to meet the new specification?



At 05:02 PM 12/20/2007, Rick Bothell wrote:
Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor.  I just finished making 6 
resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole 
purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches.   The 
winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the 
many line breaks last year.   The line breaks really slowed down the 
contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever 
operators there to repair the lines.  So, you people coming to 
Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for 
winches with resistors.   Rick


Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com


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RE: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[mike]

heh, heh, perfect Rick.  That really is the only solution.  People can't be counted on to go easy on the equipment no matter how much pleading is done.
 
Don't forget to do the cardboard cut out of the CD for the complaints.  This is essential.  The other notable benefit is that we will all know where Gordy will be.  ;-)
 
Mike
 Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management- was Icon 2From: Rick Bothell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 4:02 pmTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: soaring@airage.comThanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor.  I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches.   The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year.   The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines.  So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors.   RickRick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com On Thu Dec 20 11:38 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much likethe F3B style...of course. The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and linestrength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hitthe switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest,unflawed lines. So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (byresistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can'tbreak a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contestdirector, you say to the contestants "go ahead, full pedal the suckers,you only get so much power anyway". I mean seriously, why should thecontest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipmentso that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to yourstaff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing acardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field socomplaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of ushaving to hear about it :-)There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION.Respectfully submitted,Mike Smith Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 amTo: "Joe Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. Seemy other post for the direct issues.DarwinOn Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote:Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and breakthe line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyoneelse is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn tolaunch "and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a toughtime.smokinjoe- Original Message -From: Darwin N. BarrieTo: soaring@airage.com ; SC JohnsonSent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AMSubject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euromodels. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop ofmoldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becomingmore prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will bea burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and afew big ones.We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes butthe lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the linedrag and weight.Where do we draw the line?Darwin N. BarrieChandler AZ- Original Message -From: SC JohnsonTo: soaring@airage.comSent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AMSubject: [RCSE] Icon 2OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) -there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vaguecomparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, Ithought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that MapleLeaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, andnews has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna bea biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr.Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has awing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod andcarbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and piecesas the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane isway-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I typethis, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be deliveredjust after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busyworking on my planes. Just get on the list.Whahooo...Steve Johns

Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Rick Bothell]

Thanks you Mike for suggesting a resistor.  I just finished making 6 resistors for the CASL Phoenix contest in February for the sole purpose of making less powerful Ford Long Shaft winches.   The winches will be less powerful than last years winches because of the many line breaks last year.   The line breaks really slowed down the contest even though we had several experienced winch/retriever operators there to repair the lines.  So, you people coming to Phoenix in February, start tapping the winch lines to get a feel for winches with resistors.   Rick

Rick Bothell www.handsfreeretriever.com 

On Thu Dec 20 11:38 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:



So guys, here is my take on the line break issue. It is very much like
the F3B style...of course. 

The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line
strength combination. If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit
the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest,
unflawed lines. 

So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by
resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't
break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength. Then, as contest
director, you say to the contestants "go ahead, full pedal the suckers,
you only get so much power anyway". I mean seriously, why should the
contest managers cater to anyone. Set the rules, set up the equipment
so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants. 

You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your
staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a
cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so
complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us
having to hear about it :-)

There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION.

Respectfully submitted,

Mike Smith

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am
To: "Joe Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 

Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See
my other post for the direct issues.

Darwin
On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote:

Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and break
the line!! fly it out!! You launch on the same equipment that everyone
else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn to
launch "
and besides who says bigger is better(-: Airbus is sure having a tough
time.

smokinjoe
- Original Message -
From: Darwin N. Barrie
To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2


I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro
models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of
moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming
more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be
a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a
few big ones.

We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but
the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line
drag and weight.

Where do we draw the line?

Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ

- Original Message -
From: SC Johnson
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2


OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) -
there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague
comparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I
thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple
Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and
news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be
a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr.
Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a
wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and
carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces
as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is
way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type
this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered
just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. 


No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy
working on my planes. Just get on the list.


Whahooo...
Steve Johnson






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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Martin Usher]

Maybe a weak link in the line or auto release like you have with full 
sized sailplanes is the answer -- they harder they try, the lower they 
launch.


Its only a minority who feel they have to really stress out the launch 
kit. People who fly Sharons, for example (they know who they are, 
Lex). I think they do this to break the winch so that whatever lift 
they find they can keep to themselves since fixing the mess after one of 
these gorilla types has had their way with the kit takes about a thermal 
cycle.


Martin Usher

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RE: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[mike]

HE he, I get it.  Embarrased to say that it took me a while though.
 
Happy Holidays to all you nutty glider guiders out there.
 
Tip a few egg nogs, enjoy a nice cigar, and look forward to the '08 season.
 
Cheers all.
 
Mike
>There you go. THE PERFECT SOLUTION.But how does this help you? Don't you need a SHARON solution?-l
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RE: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Lex Mierop]

Mike Smith wrote:
>There you go.  THE PERFECT SOLUTION.
 
But how does this help you?  Don't you need a SHARON solution?

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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Kurt Zimmerman]

... and as for that complaint department... make sure you stock up on 
plenty of bananas to feed them...


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So guys, here is my take on the line break issue.  It is very much like
the F3B style...of course.  
 
The system that is breaking the lines is the motor power and line

strength combination.  If you attached the line to a brick wall and hit
the switch the motors we use today will break all but the freshest,
unflawed lines.  
 
So, what needs to be done for contest management is to inhibit (by

resistor) the power of the motors such that when stalled they can't
break a line that is 80% of its nominal strength.  Then, as contest
director, you say to the contestants "go ahead, full pedal the suckers,
you only get so much power anyway".  I mean seriously, why should the
contest managers cater to anyone.  Set the rules, set up the equipment
so that is reliable and idiot proof, and invite contestants.  
 
You might want to add a complaint department, or committee to your

staff, but this should be easily accomplished by strategically placing a
cardboard cutout or the CD way off in the far corner of the field so
complaning parties can get their frustrations out without the rest of us
having to hear about it  :-)
 
There you go.  THE PERFECT SOLUTION.
 
Respectfully submitted,
 
Mike Smith


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 11:16 am
To: "Joe Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 

Come on Joe, we've been saying this for years and it hasn't worked. See
my other post for the direct issues.

Darwin
On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Joe Rodriguez wrote:

Don't change the line " Learn how to launch " If you go big and break
the line!! fly it out!!  You launch on the same equipment that everyone
else is using, no need to change equipment for the select few " Learn to
launch "
and besides who says bigger is better(-:   Airbus is sure having a tough
time.
 
smokinjoe

- Original Message -
From: Darwin N. Barrie
To: soaring@airage.com ; SC Johnson
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Icon 2


I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the Euro
models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current crop of
moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are becoming
more prevelant.  Heavy enough line for these new "super ships," will be
a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests and a
few big ones.
 
We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but

the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line
drag and weight.
 
Where do we draw the line?
 
Darwin N. Barrie

Chandler AZ
 
- Original Message -

From: SC Johnson
To: soaring@airage.com
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: [RCSE] Icon 2


OK all you sailplane junkies (Edgar, DP, you know who you are...) -
there's been a lot of discussion about the new High End and some vague
comparisons to the "old" Icon. Since Don has even stopped denying it, I
thought its about time for some news about the new Icon 2 that Maple
Leaf Design is developing. Its been in the works for over a year, and
news has been leaking for a while. Get in line folks - this is gonna be
a biggy, both literally and figuratively. Designed by the intrepid Dr.
Mark Drela, this new high aspect ratio F3J/Thermal Duration plane has a
wing span of 150" (3.81 m) and a VERY slender 2.4 friendly pod and
carbon boom. I have had the privilege of fondling the parts and pieces
as the design was developed, and I can tell you that this plane is
way-cool. The first prototypes of the Icon 2 are being tested as I type
this, and the first production planes (mine - VBG) will be delivered
just after the first of the year. I understand there's already a list. 



No - I don't have photos or drawings.and leave Don alone - he's busy
working on my planes. Just get on the list.


Whahooo...
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