Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
It sucks that AMA does not allow more monies for ALL TEAM USA's to compete abroad representing our country. As Junior team manager for the 2000 effort in Greece there was NO AMA SUPPORT for the Juniors at that time and we were fortunate to raise enough $$ to cover all costs for the junior team and help the seniors. So I know how tough it is and it is tougher in today's economic climate. My idea to help is that ALL USA SOARING CLUBS holding contests increase there entry fee by $5 from now till JULY. This $5 will go to the F3J TEAM and should be a substantial amount, but we need to start NOW. Maybe the AMA will take note as they sit behind there castle walls in Muncie. maybe just maybe!! the AMA can afford to toss you a few logs for fire wood to keep you warm Rich. (-: joe - Original Message - From: Richard Burnoskimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RCSE'mailto:soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising B ! Well by now most of you guys have your new contest killer plane , and possibly have the radio installed already. Your probably looking on your shelves pulling out last years broken stuff and glueing that back together for back up. Here in beautiful Chicago , we almost broke an all time temperature change of the temperature going from 50 degrees to minus 4 this morning. I thought about going out to practice landings,,, umm, not really. So, Id like to go to the South West Classic and see your smiling faces but the upcoming year expenditures, plus pending plane purchases will probably allow me a spring flying contest being F3J in the Rockies in Denver Memorial weekend. The first time Ill see most of you soaring guys will be at the Toledo weak signals show in Ohio, April 4-5-6. Barry Kennedy has allowed Jeffery Walters and myself to be in his booth to sell raffle tickets and T shirts for the team. ( Thanks Barry). I thought making the US Team was hard but this fundraising thing is equal the challenge. We have 151 days left till leaving for the WC, and the team has a net need figured around $30,000. Another fundraising problem is our fundraising effort is cut a whole month shorter because the WC is a month earlier (late June). Thus, I have the winter blues thinking about it! I wish I could fly today to remind me what this soaring thing is all about! I think you know what I mean! That is why Soaring is so great, You can leave everything behind during a flight or two. I could only dream about being in Punta Gorda with you guys last weekend. So We the Team have to rely heavily on your generous contributions thru the Team website. I have come to be amazed at the cost of what it takes to send a team to a place as far as Turkey! usf3jteam.com If you have already contributed, thanks a million and good luck on the raffle! And feel free to drop me an email to let me know that you did , or email with any questions regarding preparing for flying in the WC. 2008 F3J , USA Team Richard Burnoski
Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
Joe, AMA doesn't sit behind walls, but they know their bottom line and it is tight these days. Let's face it, if you play, you know the cost, and that being so, anything that defraes that cost is a bonus. The Jr's as well as the Sr's will get lots of support from our community, and that is where it is suppose to come. Here's a C-note for the cause Rich et. Al. Marc Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:04:28 To:'RCSE' soaring@airage.com,Richard Burnoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising It sucks that AMA does not allow more monies for ALL TEAM USA's to compete abroad representing our country. As Junior team manager for the 2000 effort in Greece there was NO AMA SUPPORT for the Juniors at that time and we were fortunate to raise enough $$ to cover all costs for the junior team and help the seniors. So I know how tough it is and it is tougher in today's economic climate. My idea to help is that ALL USA SOARING CLUBS holding contests increase there entry fee by $5 from now till JULY. This $5 will go to the F3J TEAM and should be a substantial amount, but we need to start NOW. Maybe the AMA will take note as they sit behind there castle walls in Muncie. maybe just maybe!! the AMA can afford to toss you a few logs for fire wood to keep you warm Rich. (-: joe - Original Message - From: Richard Burnoski mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RCSE' mailto:soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising B ! Well by now most of you guys have your new contest killer plane , and possibly have the radio installed already. Your probably looking on your shelves pulling out last years broken stuff and glueing that back together for back up. Here in beautiful Chicago , we almost broke an all time temperature change of the temperature going from 50 degrees to minus 4 this morning. I thought about going out to practice landings,,, umm, not really. So, Id like to go to the South West Classic and see your smiling faces but the upcoming year expenditures, plus pending plane purchases will probably allow me a spring flying contest being F3J in the Rockies in Denver Memorial weekend. The first time Ill see most of you soaring guys will be at the Toledo weak signals show in Ohio, April 4-5-6. Barry Kennedy has allowed Jeffery Walters and myself to be in his booth to sell raffle tickets and T shirts for the team. ( Thanks Barry). I thought making the US Team was hard but this fundraising thing is equal the challenge. We have 151 days left till leaving for the WC, and the team has a net need figured around $30,000. Another fundraising problem is our fundraising effort is cut a whole month shorter because the WC is a month earlier (late June). Thus, I have the winter blues thinking about it! I wish I could fly today to remind me what this soaring thing is all about! I think you know what I mean! That is why Soaring is so great, You can leave everything behind during a flight or two. I could only dream about being in Punta Gorda with you guys last weekend. So We the Team have to rely heavily on your generous contributions thru the Team website. I have come to be amazed at the cost of what it takes to send a team to a place as far as Turkey! usf3jteam.com If you have already contributed, thanks a million and good luck on the raffle! And feel free to drop me an email to let me know that you did , or email with any questions regarding preparing for flying in the WC. 2008 F3J , USA Team Richard Burnoski
Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
Thats the ticket! Thanks for th support! Thermals to you! Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com; Richard Burnoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising Joe, AMA doesn't sit behind walls, but they know their bottom line and it is tight these days. Let's face it, if you play, you know the cost, and that being so, anything that defraes that cost is a bonus. The Jr's as well as the Sr's will get lots of support from our community, and that is where it is suppose to come. Here's a C-note for the cause Rich et. Al. Marc Sent via BlackBerry by ATT RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
Joe, if we knew how much $ AMA does supply to support our W/C teams we would probably say wow, that much. That info is probably available from many sources, including the team managers and members. Anybody wish to make that info available ? Meanwhile, Joe, I think your suggestion of a $5.00 surcharge for every sailplane contest for support of our F3J team is a GREAT idea. I will propose to our club, GDSHS, that we do this and also that we add a smaller surcharge at our monthly club contests for the same purpose. I am going to try to spread this idea in our area, starting now. How does everyone feel about this ? Gordy ??? Regards, Dave Corven. -- Original message -- From: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sucks that AMA does not allow more monies for ALL TEAM USA's to compete abroad representing our country. As Junior team manager for the 2000 effort in Greece there was NO AMA SUPPORT for the Juniors at that time and we were fortunate to raise enough $$ to cover all costs for the junior team and help the seniors. So I know how tough it is and it is tougher in today's economic climate. My idea to help is that ALL USA SOARING CLUBS holding contests increase there entry fee by $5 from now till JULY. This $5 will go to the F3J TEAM and should be a substantial amount, but we need to start NOW. Maybe the AMA will take note as they sit behind there castle walls in Muncie. maybe just maybe!! the AMA can afford to toss you a few logs for fire wood to keep you warm Rich. (-: joe - Original Message - From: Richard Burnoskimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RCSE'mailto:soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising B ! Well by now most of you guys have your new contest killer plane , and possibly have the radio installed already. Your probably looking on your shelves pulling out last years broken stuff and glueing that back together for back up. Here in beautiful Chicago , we almost broke an all time temperature change of the temperature going from 50 degrees to minus 4 this morning. I thought about going out to practice landings,,, umm, not really. So, Id like to go to the South West Classic and see your smiling faces but the upcoming year expenditures, plus pending plane purchases will probably allow me a spring flying contest being F3J in the Rockies in Denver Memorial weekend. The first time Ill see most of you soaring guys will be at the Toledo weak signals show in Ohio, April 4-5-6. Barry Kennedy has allowed Jeffery Walters and myself to be in his booth to sell raffle tickets and T shirts for the team. ( Thanks Barry). I thought making the US Team was hard but this fundraising thing is equal the challenge. We have 151 days left till leaving for the WC, and the team has a net need figured around $30,000. Another fundraising problem is our fundraising effort is cut a whole month shorter because the WC is a month earlier (late June). Thus, I have the winter blues thinking about it! I wish I could fly today to remind me what this soaring thing is all about! I think you know what I mean! That is why Soaring is so great, You can leave everything behind during a flight or two. I could only dream about being in Punta Gorda with you guys last weekend. So We the Team have to rely heavily on your generous contributions thru the Team website. I have come to be amazed at the cost of what it takes to send a team to a place as far as Turkey! usf3jteam.com If you have already contributed, thanks a million and good luck on the raffle! And feel free to drop me an email to let me know that you did , or email with any questions regarding preparing for flying in the WC. 2008 F3J , USA Team Richard Burnoski ---BeginMessage--- It sucks that AMA does not allow more monies for ALL TEAM USA's to compete abroad representing our country. As Junior team manager for the 2000 effort in Greece there was NOAMA SUPPORT for the Juniors at that time and we were fortunate to raise enough $$ to cover all costs forthejunior team and help the seniors. So I know how tough it is and it is tougher in today's economic climate. Myidea to help is thatALL USA SOARING CLUBSholding contests increase there entry fee by $5 from now till JULY.This $5 will go to the F3J TEAM and should be a substantial amount, but we need to start NOW. Maybe the AMA will take note as they sit behind there castle walls in Muncie. maybe just maybe!! the AMA can afford to toss you a few logs for fire wood to keep you warm Rich. (-: joe - Original Message - From: Richard Burnoski To: 'RCSE' Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:31 AM Subject: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J
RE: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
I can contribute to this thread. The information is not secret, it is a published document and applies to ALL AMA supported FAI teams and there are quite a few of them, not just F3B/J AND we constitute some of the largest teams. AMA contributes the following to the FAI teams: - $400 to the team fund - this typically is allocated towards the airfare, but can be for any team expense - Entry Fees for all pilots, managers and support staff - FAI registration fees - Banquet costs for all team members - If food is prepared and served on site by the organizers, it is paid for - Lodging for the contest days and 1 day prior and after (These expenses are supported as actual expenses up to 900 Swiss Francs ($832 USD) per team member - not counting the $400 for the airfare) The US F3J team is comprised this year of 7 pilots (including Cody R. the returning Junior WC) Junior and Senior Managers, and 4 tow people for an entourage of 13 people. Last cycle the AMA approved funding for the Junior team manager and 2 separate towers for the junior team, and this cycle they waived their normal policy and are also funding the returning junior WC (who competed in the team selections) so you can see that the AMA is INCREASING their overall support for F3J in particular. Unfortunately costs are very high for this trip. Airfares are nearly double what the fares were to Martin last cycle, and since the flying site is quite some distance from both the airport and the hotels we will have very high ground transportation costs - we will need 3 large vans for all the people and equipment. The total budget for the trip looks like about $45K with AMA supporting about $15K which is about the same as last cycle, so we have huge hill to climb. In previous cycles the soaring community has been very generous and we basically broke even on the last cycle. With the generosity of many people we can hopefully raise enough funds to make the final accounting minimally painful to the pilots and team managers (tower costs are fully reimbursed by the team). I also appreciate the offer of clubs adding a fee to their contests to support the F3J team. However, as desperately as we need the funding, I am not a fan of taxing pilots to support our goals. People need to support the organizations and groups that they choose to support. I would prefer that clubs solicit donations at their events to support the team. I am all for specific fundraising events where pilots attend specifically to support the team. I will be preparing a brochure that you can print and pass out for raffle sales, merchandise sale and donations at your events, I hope to have that done this weekend. I am very optimistic that our supporters will again come through and help us send a thoroughly prepared team to Turkey with nothing to worry about except winning the golds!!! Thanks to all of our sponsors and supporters again Jim Monaco US F3J Team Manager 2008 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:38 PM To: Joe Rodriguez; 'RCSE'; Richard Burnoski Subject: Re: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising Joe, if we knew how much $ AMA does supply to support our W/C teams we would probably say wow, that much. That info is probably available from many sources, including the team managers and members. Anybody wish to make that info available ? Meanwhile, Joe, I think your suggestion of a $5.00 surcharge for every sailplane contest for support of our F3J team is a GREAT idea. I will propose to our club, GDSHS, that we do this and also that we add a smaller surcharge at our monthly club contests for the same purpose. I am going to try to spread this idea in our area, starting now. How does everyone feel about this ? [Jim Monaco] snipped RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
Good post about team expenses. Much as I dislike the F3X events, I support our teams and try to make a small donation. (Us retired fliers don't have Gordys resources) I also think all donations should be voluntary.Another problem for AMA is the increased number of teams to be supported and the increased number of team support people. As I remember, the team we sent to the first F3B event in 1977 had the three fliers and a manager. How many does it take now? Maybe Skip can provide a more accurate number for that first team since he was there. Chuck At 05:35 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote: I can contribute to this thread. The information is not secret, it is a published document and applies to ALL AMA supported FAI teams and there are quite a few of them, not just F3B/J AND we constitute some of the largest teams. AMA contributes the following to the FAI teams: - $400 to the team fund - this typically is allocated towards the airfare, but can be for any team expense - Entry Fees for all pilots, managers and support staff - FAI registration fees - Banquet costs for all team members - If food is prepared and served on site by the organizers, it is paid for - Lodging for the contest days and 1 day prior and after (These expenses are supported as actual expenses up to 900 Swiss Francs ($832 USD) per team member - not counting the $400 for the airfare) The US F3J team is comprised this year of 7 pilots (including Cody R. the returning Junior WC) Junior and Senior Managers, and 4 tow people for an entourage of 13 people. Last cycle the AMA approved funding for the Junior team manager and 2 separate towers for the junior team, and this cycle they waived their normal policy and are also funding the returning junior WC (who competed in the team selections) so you can see that the AMA is INCREASING their overall support for F3J in particular. Unfortunately costs are very high for this trip. Airfares are nearly double what the fares were to Martin last cycle, and since the flying site is quite some distance from both the airport and the hotels we will have very high ground transportation costs - we will need 3 large vans for all the people and equipment. The total budget for the trip looks like about $45K with AMA supporting about $15K which is about the same as last cycle, so we have huge hill to climb. In previous cycles the soaring community has been very generous and we basically broke even on the last cycle. With the generosity of many people we can hopefully raise enough funds to make the final accounting minimally painful to the pilots and team managers (tower costs are fully reimbursed by the team). I also appreciate the offer of clubs adding a fee to their contests to support the F3J team. However, as desperately as we need the funding, I am not a fan of taxing pilots to support our goals. People need to support the organizations and groups that they choose to support. I would prefer that clubs solicit donations at their events to support the team. I am all for specific fundraising events where pilots attend specifically to support the team. I will be preparing a brochure that you can print and pass out for raffle sales, merchandise sale and donations at your events, I hope to have that done this weekend. I am very optimistic that our supporters will again come through and help us send a thoroughly prepared team to Turkey with nothing to worry about except winning the golds!!! Thanks to all of our sponsors and supporters again Jim Monaco US F3J Team Manager 2008 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
Just for grins - here is the FAI teams that the AMA supports and the number of people allowed for each team. They also support the F3J Junior team at the same level, I am not sure about the junior teams in the other events. You can see that the funding commitment for all of this is significant from the AMA perspective... F1A,B,C - three competitors per class, plus a team manager and possibly an assistant team manager, maximum 11. F1D - three competitors plus a team manager, total 4. F2 - one team manger, plus an assistant team manager, total 20; F2A - three pilots F2B - three pilots F2C - three pilots and three mechanics F2D - three pilots and three helpers F3A - three pilots plus a team manger, total 4. F3B - three pilots, two helpers, plus a team manager, total 6. F3C - three pilots plus a team manager, total 4. F3D- three pilots, three caller/mechanics, plus a team manager, total 7. F4B,C - three pilots each class, plus one team manager, total 7. If B and C are flown at different locations and times, an additional teammanager may be funded. F5B,D - three pilots each class plus a team manager, total 7. F3J - three pilots, two helpers, plus a team manager, total 6. Spacemodels - 12 pilots plus one team manager, total 13. U.S. reigning world champion(s) each category. Jim Monaco US F3J Team Manager 2008 -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snipped How many does it take now? Maybe Skip can provide a more accurate number for that first team since he was there. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Winter blues and USA F3J fundraising
When is a tax not a tax. When it is a donation, of course, maybe pushed with a small amount of gentle persuasion. To me this would not be a tax but a priviledge to support our F3J soaring team. And you ? Regards, dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
