Re: Camera warpers / deformers / lattice, anyone?

[Pierre Schiller]

@Oz Adi, I know that feeling bro. (Jumping out of the window, because of
Maya). Blasphemous name to CGI industry that has seen "the light".

@Wavo, yes it did open the first time, and it worked like a charm! Thanks!
I´ll re-setup some of the stuff, later when I deal with all my deadlines.
Gosh, people calls the most when you´re on your 90% own project finish

Regards.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Oz Adi  wrote:

> J
>
> I remembered the URL “characteranimator.com”, because I always wanted
> this URL and was envy.. hehe
>
> So I tried it.. I was surprised to see that this website is still alive
> after all these years.
>
> Back then I actually contacted him, and he gave me a short explanation how
> he set it up.. but I did not have enough technical knowledge at that time,
> so I failed rebuilding such a system. The only thing I remember was that
> the lattice was supposed to be cone-shaped like the camera’s cone…
>
>
>
> I really want to check out that scene you attached.. sadly I am actually
> rigging my first character in Maya at the moment.. I am on the 48th floor
> and the thought of jumping out, out of frustration crossed my mind a few
> times.. hehe j/k
>
> At least it’s good to know there’s such a tool for maya, my arranged-wife
> at the moment :/
>
>
>
>
>
> @Oz Adi, tudah, i remember this and was searching for him but didnt find
> him because i was searching
> for Bernard Lebel!
>
> Walter
>
> Am 7/13/2016 um 9:34 AM schrieb Oz Adi:
>
> There’s this website form 2006:
>
> http://www.characteranimator.com/movies/character_td.html
>
> he is using Softimage, and did a pretty cool tool with camera lattice..
> check out the first video, deformation grid
>
> Maybe this guy is on this list? J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [
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> ] *On Behalf Of *Pierre Schiller
> *Sent:* יום ד 13 יולי 2016 07:07
> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
> *Subject:* Re: Camera warpers / deformers / lattice, anyone?
>
>
>
> Thank you team!! I´m downloading now. Tomorrow I´ll be testing this one
> right away with 2 poses from my character.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Fabricio Chamon 
> wrote:
>
> hey Pierre, Walter's method is much easier to setup (and probably faster
> too), but here's my take at it (ICE), just for fun:
>
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vf8owwi664tjhco/camera_lattice_ice.mov?dl=0
>
>
>
> scene attached.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-07-12 16:14 GMT-03:00 - - :
>
> hi Pierre,
>
>  something similar:
>
> make a lattice, child to the interest and then translation to zero, than
> constrain the lattice with an direction constrain to the camera, change the
> axis and turn on upvector, resize the lattice to actual field-of-view raise
> the subdivision to level of detail you want and deform your scene-objects,
> shapemanager to modify and store shapes.will also work with hair but if
> your objecktmoving in space than it has some strange movement, because of
> the lattice (warp) and not so easy to controll when lot of Shares.
>
> I Attaché an emdl with an simple Setup, rename the .jpg to emdl after
> downloading.
>
> Good luck, next Problem :)
>
> Walter
>
>
>
> Pierre Schiller  hat am 12. Juli 2016 um
> 19:40 geschrieben:
>
>
>
> Hello. I´ve seen this video some years ago:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUOl1wvLvY
>
> But I was trying to replicate this directly on cámera like he does, but I
> haven´t got
>
> far. AD 3dsMAX tutorials from japan show a lattice directly deforming a
> character
>
> to give "anime deformation/exageration for cámera" (I know sometimes they
> cheat
>
> by scaling really big things in front of the camera), but added help would
> be a lattice
>
> deformer directly over the entire area of interest from camera.
>
> In addition, has anyone take a similar approach on softimage? Somehow we
> can´t directly
>
> warp stuff the camera sees with a lattice..
>
> How possible is it to achieve this effect on SI?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Chris Marshall]

I have the Soft keyboard mapping set in Modo and the F key doesn't frame
the current selection. 'A' does however frame all visible objects. Just
saying.
It's an interesting interface but does seem quite slow, even when just
toggling simple things.


On 14 July 2016 at 14:41, Alok Gandhi  wrote:

> Well for now, I think Maya capitalised a big deal on GPU Caches (built on
> top of alembic), a really scalable solution for massive pipelines.
> Assemblies are also a great boon for scalability.
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Greg Punchatz 
> wrote:
>
>> I have found the videos helpful, the workflow ones are a bit better about
>> showing how to work around some of maya's weaknesses and even showing some
>> of it's advantages.
>>
>> We still have not made the leap to anything other than soft for our main
>> work, but I spend every free moment of my day getting my head wrapped
>> around each apps strengths and weaknesses.
>>
>> Chris, I like the really like way modo "thinks", seems very well thought
>> out IMO. It lacks a lot of features and most notably speed, but it is
>> impossible to ignore for modeling and asset creation. I really with they
>> could crack the speed barrier.
>>
>> Maya has some really great features and scales well.  Autodesk much to my
>> surprise is making big strides in making it less of a mess from the
>> surface, the interface is much improved, they have added many of the main
>> features I had in xsi since day one. Although I keep hitting rude reminders
>> of the reasons I did not go to Maya in the first place, there is still way
>> too many times when you have to write a command to do a basic task. Between
>> that and how difficult it is to rig in maya vs soft I still am having
>> trouble with the idea of moving us to maya but it is getting more likely.
>> Fabric might ease the pain, but I need to look deeper.
>>
>> I am still looking at all the other apps too, I see splitting our
>> pipeline up in the future between many apps. I keep hoping someone will
>> make a BIG stride in character animation and rigging in a stand alone app,
>> Fabric is almost there, it just needs an interface for animating.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Chris Marshall <
>> chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent, I'll take a look. Any chance of turning on 'Complete
>>> Softimage Interface and Toolset' too!?
>>>
>>> On 14 July 2016 at 11:24, Oscar Juarez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the preferences
 Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball rotation.


 On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall <
 chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it
> goes skew! I hate that!
> Sorry gone off at a tangent there.
>
>
>
> On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann 
> wrote:
>
>> Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but
>> since we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at
>> the lowest point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um
>> 10:50 geschrieben:
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>> It is more like 'The Bridge on the River Kwai'. ;) if you know what I
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Alok Gandhi]

Well for now, I think Maya capitalised a big deal on GPU Caches (built on
top of alembic), a really scalable solution for massive pipelines.
Assemblies are also a great boon for scalability.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Greg Punchatz  wrote:

> I have found the videos helpful, the workflow ones are a bit better about
> showing how to work around some of maya's weaknesses and even showing some
> of it's advantages.
>
> We still have not made the leap to anything other than soft for our main
> work, but I spend every free moment of my day getting my head wrapped
> around each apps strengths and weaknesses.
>
> Chris, I like the really like way modo "thinks", seems very well thought
> out IMO. It lacks a lot of features and most notably speed, but it is
> impossible to ignore for modeling and asset creation. I really with they
> could crack the speed barrier.
>
> Maya has some really great features and scales well.  Autodesk much to my
> surprise is making big strides in making it less of a mess from the
> surface, the interface is much improved, they have added many of the main
> features I had in xsi since day one. Although I keep hitting rude reminders
> of the reasons I did not go to Maya in the first place, there is still way
> too many times when you have to write a command to do a basic task. Between
> that and how difficult it is to rig in maya vs soft I still am having
> trouble with the idea of moving us to maya but it is getting more likely.
> Fabric might ease the pain, but I need to look deeper.
>
> I am still looking at all the other apps too, I see splitting our pipeline
> up in the future between many apps. I keep hoping someone will make a BIG
> stride in character animation and rigging in a stand alone app, Fabric is
> almost there, it just needs an interface for animating.
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Chris Marshall  > wrote:
>
>> Excellent, I'll take a look. Any chance of turning on 'Complete Softimage
>> Interface and Toolset' too!?
>>
>> On 14 July 2016 at 11:24, Oscar Juarez  wrote:
>>
>>> You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the preferences
>>> Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball rotation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall <
>>> chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it
 goes skew! I hate that!
 Sorry gone off at a tangent there.



 On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann 
 wrote:

> Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but
> since we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at
> the lowest point.
>
>
>
> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um 10:50
> geschrieben:
>
> It is more like 'The Bridge on the River Kwai'. ;) if you know what I
> mean (Figure out the comparisons yourselves)
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Greg Punchatz]

I have found the videos helpful, the workflow ones are a bit better about
showing how to work around some of maya's weaknesses and even showing some
of it's advantages.

We still have not made the leap to anything other than soft for our main
work, but I spend every free moment of my day getting my head wrapped
around each apps strengths and weaknesses.

Chris, I like the really like way modo "thinks", seems very well thought
out IMO. It lacks a lot of features and most notably speed, but it is
impossible to ignore for modeling and asset creation. I really with they
could crack the speed barrier.

Maya has some really great features and scales well.  Autodesk much to my
surprise is making big strides in making it less of a mess from the
surface, the interface is much improved, they have added many of the main
features I had in xsi since day one. Although I keep hitting rude reminders
of the reasons I did not go to Maya in the first place, there is still way
too many times when you have to write a command to do a basic task. Between
that and how difficult it is to rig in maya vs soft I still am having
trouble with the idea of moving us to maya but it is getting more likely.
Fabric might ease the pain, but I need to look deeper.

I am still looking at all the other apps too, I see splitting our pipeline
up in the future between many apps. I keep hoping someone will make a BIG
stride in character animation and rigging in a stand alone app, Fabric is
almost there, it just needs an interface for animating.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Chris Marshall 
wrote:

> Excellent, I'll take a look. Any chance of turning on 'Complete Softimage
> Interface and Toolset' too!?
>
> On 14 July 2016 at 11:24, Oscar Juarez  wrote:
>
>> You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the preferences
>> Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball rotation.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall <
>> chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it
>>> goes skew! I hate that!
>>> Sorry gone off at a tangent there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but
 since we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at
 the lowest point.



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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Tom Kleinenberg]

To be fair to 2016, some of the usability stuff they brought over was good.
Middle click on a menu invokes the last used tool, pretty handy and works
well in conjunction with "y" and "g".

Those pivots though, wtf.

On 14 July 2016 at 13:45, Rob Wuijster  wrote:

> hehe... nope ;-)
>
> but there were some UI reworks done by SI users, to make some things less
> annoying.
> I 'think' you can still find some posts on this at si-community.
>
>
> Rob
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>
> On 14-7-2016 12:26, Chris Marshall wrote:
>
> Excellent, I'll take a look. Any chance of turning on 'Complete Softimage
> Interface and Toolset' too!?
>
> On 14 July 2016 at 11:24, Oscar Juarez  wrote:
>
>> You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the preferences
>> Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball rotation.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall <
>> chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it
>>> goes skew! I hate that!
>>> Sorry gone off at a tangent there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but
 since we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at
 the lowest point.



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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Rob Wuijster]

hehe... nope ;-)

but there were some UI reworks done by SI users, to make some things 
less annoying.

I 'think' you can still find some posts on this at si-community.


Rob
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On 14-7-2016 12:26, Chris Marshall wrote:
Excellent, I'll take a look. Any chance of turning on 'Complete 
Softimage Interface and Toolset' too!?


On 14 July 2016 at 11:24, Oscar Juarez > wrote:


You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the
preferences Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball
rotation.


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall
mailto:chrismarshal...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera
around, it goes skew! I hate that!
Sorry gone off at a tangent there.



On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann
mailto:li...@thomasvolkmann.com>>
wrote:

Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as
well, but since we are working with Max here my bar for
expectations was already at the lowest point.

Alok Gandhi mailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com>> hat am 14. Juli 2016
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Chris Marshall]

Excellent, I'll take a look. Any chance of turning on 'Complete Softimage
Interface and Toolset' too!?

On 14 July 2016 at 11:24, Oscar Juarez  wrote:

> You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the preferences
> Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball rotation.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall <
> chrismarshal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it goes
>> skew! I hate that!
>> Sorry gone off at a tangent there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but
>>> since we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at
>>> the lowest point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um 10:50
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Oscar Juarez]

You can turn off the tumbling of the camera in Modo, in the preferences
Display/OpenGL/Viewport Rotation turn off Trackball rotation.


On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Chris Marshall 
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> Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it goes
> skew! I hate that!
> Sorry gone off at a tangent there.
>
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> On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann 
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>> Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but since
>> we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at the
>> lowest point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um 10:50
>> geschrieben:
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>> It is more like 'The Bridge on the River Kwai'. ;) if you know what I
>> mean (Figure out the comparisons yourselves)
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Alok Gandhi]

Well, chiming in from a developer's perspective, I have developed for Maya
(and houdini, nuke as well) before and developing actively now as well. It
is not a big transition for me as a developer but the artist in me still
have those 'soft-cravings' and this soft to maya bridge stuff could
possibly be a 'nicotine patch'. Ah the vagaries of withdrawal symptoms!
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Chris Marshall]

Been playing with Modo but as soon as you move the camera around, it goes
skew! I hate that!
Sorry gone off at a tangent there.



On 14 July 2016 at 10:37, Thomas Volkmann  wrote:

> Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but since
> we are working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at the
> lowest point.
>
>
>
> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um 10:50
> geschrieben:
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> It is more like 'The Bridge on the River Kwai'. ;) if you know what I mean
> (Figure out the comparisons yourselves)
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Thomas Volkmann]

Haha  I probably would have cried tears of despair as well, but since we are
working with Max here my bar for expectations was already at the lowest point.
 
 

> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um 10:50
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Alok Gandhi]

It is more like 'The Bridge on the River Kwai'. ;) if you know what I mean
(Figure out the comparisons yourselves)
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Tom Kleinenberg]

I did, while I was trying to figure out some pivot issues and set
organizing questions.

It also just made me a bit sad.

On 14 July 2016 at 08:51, Alok Gandhi  wrote:

> Does anyone found this  useful ?
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Re: Soft to Maya Bridge

[Thomas Volkmann]

I always prefer a printed version over videos, so the the same section in the
Maya documentation was a big help actually:
http://help.autodesk.com/view/MAYAUL/2016/ENU/?guid=GUID-361A01AB-2DBA-4382-87E9-8220A60DF2EB
 
 

> Alok Gandhi  hat am 14. Juli 2016 um 09:51
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>  Does anyone found this http://bit.ly/29FsMku useful ?
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Soft to Maya Bridge

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Does anyone found this  useful ?

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