Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Angus Davidson]

Hi Eric

Very good points.

We have been going through this at the moment as a lot of our students have 
been offered an opportunity. It is funded by what we call SETA’s here in South 
Africa. They are designed to allow people to be paid for building expertise in 
a commercial company. A paid internship if you will We got to see the contract 
when they asked for advice (which is one of the first things you need to be 
able to do) There was a large amount of legal speak and quite a few points that 
needed to be clarified. To their credit they did a good job of this.

We are only able to take a small class so we can be a bit more involved. Even 
so we have had past students getting in over their heads and ending up leaving 
the vfx community. Its a problem broader then VFX. Universities for the most 
part teach no life skills, fewer and fewer kids are getting them from parents 
or their schools. A large percentage of people leaving educational institutions 
are woefully unprepared for real life.

For us though we have additional issues, the expectations on people in the 
industry has increased far beyond those of many other industries , and this 
change has mostly happened over the last 20 years or so.  People have been so 
busy trying to meet deadlines and do amazing stuff that they have left these 
issues in the hands of the very people who have the most to gain from not 
looking after them well.

Eric has hit the nail on the head. People need to be far more circumspect about 
what they sign, spend more time making sure its in their best interests.
Yes it does need to be brought up the school / university level , but also 
needs to spread even to people who have been working a long time.

Kind regards

Angus




From: Eric Lampi mailto:ericla...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: 
"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Date: Wednesday 29 October 2014 at 9:39 PM
To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>" 
mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>
Subject: Re: New ww.Lagoa.com


This highlights an issue that has been on my mind as of late. I am not 
directing this at anyone in particular...

How to read a contract.

Art/Animation schools don't teach students anything about how to read contracts 
or how to manage your intellectual property rights. It's time they started and 
I will tell you why...

If animators had been treating this like a business and not a hobby starting 20 
years ago, the landscape of VFX would look far different today.

If you're tired of creatives getting screwed by slick business people, you have 
to understand what you are getting yourself into and not be freaked out by 
legalese.

The fact is, you are not signing over any more rights than what is explicitly 
written in the contract. They need to be able to store, copy and display the 
data just for purposes of putting it on the website and their cloud service and 
there is a time limit for how long they can use it after you stop paying for 
the service. Also, you privacy is protected because while they collect data on 
you and other users about how they utilize the platform (presumably for user 
research), your personal information isn't attached to it. There is no language 
in there regarding IP or ownership, you have nothing to worry about.

My 2 cents,

Eric

On Oct 29, 2014 1:47 PM, "Leendert A. Hartog" 
mailto:hirazib...@live.nl>> wrote:
The terms you quote are reason enough for people like me to generally distrust 
any service like this. The attempts to sugarcoat it as clumsy wording is a bit 
problematic too IMHO: if it can be worded better, do so: word it better! These 
aren't playground discussions, these are the basis for binding contracts.
[/rant]

Greetz
Leendert

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Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Eric Lampi]

This highlights an issue that has been on my mind as of late. I am not
directing this at anyone in particular...

How to read a contract.

Art/Animation schools don't teach students anything about how to read
contracts or how to manage your intellectual property rights. It's time
they started and I will tell you why...

If animators had been treating this like a business and not a hobby
starting 20 years ago, the landscape of VFX would look far different today.

If you're tired of creatives getting screwed by slick business people, you
have to understand what you are getting yourself into and not be freaked
out by legalese.

The fact is, you are not signing over any more rights than what is
explicitly written in the contract. They need to be able to store, copy and
display the data just for purposes of putting it on the website and their
cloud service and there is a time limit for how long they can use it after
you stop paying for the service. Also, you privacy is protected because
while they collect data on you and other users about how they utilize the
platform (presumably for user research), your personal information isn't
attached to it. There is no language in there regarding IP or ownership,
you have nothing to worry about.

My 2 cents,

Eric
On Oct 29, 2014 1:47 PM, "Leendert A. Hartog"  wrote:

> The terms you quote are reason enough for people like me to generally
> distrust any service like this. The attempts to sugarcoat it as clumsy
> wording is a bit problematic too IMHO: if it can be worded better, do so:
> word it better! These aren't playground discussions, these are the basis
> for binding contracts.
> [/rant]
>
> Greetz
> Leendert
>
> --
>
> Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue
> Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com
>
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Leendert A. Hartog]

The terms you quote are reason enough for people like me to generally 
distrust any service like this. The attempts to sugarcoat it as clumsy 
wording is a bit problematic too IMHO: if it can be worded better, do 
so: word it better! These aren't playground discussions, these are the 
basis for binding contracts.

[/rant]

Greetz
Leendert

--

Leendert A. Hartog AKA Hirazi Blue
Administrator NOT the owner of si-community.com

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Jason S]

  
  

  I can see how anything cloud related can be salivated upon by 
  "master ass owners"
  (what do people want more than their own things.. then becoming
  leverage-able poker chips)
  
  But you can be sure that the (current) terms won't be getting any
  less confusing/self-contradictory/restrictive  now being under an
  invasive, all rights reserving machine.



    
      From "Re: New ww.Lagoa.com"
  
  __
  On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier
Lapointe <xl.mailingl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

More specifically this paragraph:
  
  
  You
  hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid
  up,
  worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa)
  right and
  license to use the information that you submit as part of
  the Services
  to copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or
  publicly perform
  the Renderings or any component thereof, provided that
  Lagoa shall not use the Renderings beyond the Privacy
  Settings that You
  and Lagoa have agreed to as part of the Scope of Services,
  and provided, further,
  that the license to any Renderings you have created until
  such time as
  you have paid Lagoa for use of the Services shall be
  irrevocable and
  freely sublicensable as long as such use of the Renderings
  is limited
  to the purposes of promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models,
  Lagoa’s services,
  or You, as the artist thereof, from the creation of such
  Renderings
  until the date that is six (6) months after the expiration
  or
  termination of your subscription to the Services.  You
  authorize Lagoa,
  on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit any aggregated
  data
  regarding your use of the Services along with aggregated
  data regarding
  others users’ use of the Services, so long as such use
  does not
  identify You.
  


__
On 03/04/2013 12:04 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote:

It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud
  service,
  without it they could be sued for holding onto the files they
  need to
  render for you with the back-end.
  I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use
without permission any of the material rendered through
teamUp for
promotion or sales, but the gray area of cloud services
requires some
rather (overly) robust wording on the fact they have rights
on the
information you provide.
  
  
  They don't acquire the IP or license for
distribution
in any form with that, those are the clauses you really have
to watch
out for. The former is impossible (illegal) but constitutes
vice of
form, the latter can plant a sizeable penis firmly up your
colon,
especially if you're contracting.


  __

On 04/05/13 1:18, Thiago Costa wrote:

Hi guys, good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things
are quite standard to operate the kind of service we do.
Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads:

As between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not
  claim any rights to any Renderings or the intellectual
  property that You submit to Lagoa for the purpose of creating
  such Renderings,

__
On 04/06/13 23:13, Jason S wrote:
While I too have no doubt Lagoa can be trusted, the fact that
such
clauses can be standard for clouds gives me chills :s

I'm positive that users wouldn't have to 'agree' to too vaguely
worded
(or lengthy) clauses that may be potentially compromising, just
by
'accepting' to use it, 
and that default privacy settings would be set to what most
people
would set them to, if they actually made it to the settings
page. 
(unlike most social networks)


  
  
  


  

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Jason S]

While I too have no doubt Lagoa can be trusted, the fact that such 
clauses can be standard for clouds gives me chills :s


I'm positive that users wouldn't have to 'agree' to too vaguely worded 
(or lengthy) clauses that may be potentially compromising just by 
accepting to use it,
and that default privacy settings would be set to what most people would 
set them to, if they actually made it to the settings page.

(unlike many social networks)


On 03/04/2013 12:04 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote:
It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they 
could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you 
with the back-end.
I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission 
any of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, 
but the gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) 
robust wording on the fact they have rights on the information you 
provide.


They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with 
that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The 
former is impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the 
latter can plant a sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if 
you're contracting.



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe 
mailto:xl.mailingl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


More specifically this paragraph:

You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right
and license to use the information that you submit as part of the
Services to copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or
publicly perform the Renderings or any component thereof,
provided that Lagoa shall not use the Renderings beyond the
Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed to as part of the
Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the license to any
Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid Lagoa
for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely
sublicensable as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to
the purposes of promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services,
or You, as the artist thereof, from the creation of such
Renderings until the date that is six (6) months after the
expiration or termination of your subscription to the Services. 
You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit

any aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with
aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so
long as such use does not identify You.




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Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Christopher]

I like ping pong, I'll 
take you on Thiago :) I may embarrass myself the first two rounds, then 
I'll be warmed up :) Air Hockey too :)

Christopher


   	   
   	Thiago Costa  
  Friday, April 05,
 2013 7:56 PM
  Ciaran, why do 
you think playing ping-pong is silly? :PWe have a nice 
ping-pong Tournament at Lagoa's office every year, check it out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/celesteshankland/sets/72157633122673384/


-Thiago

  
   	   
   	Ciaran Moloney  
  Friday, April 05,
 2013 9:44 AM
  

I too think the new Lagoa tech is really promising, but 
this is just about the silliest thing I've heard all day. Still, it's 
early


  
   	   
   	Paul Griswold  
  Friday, April 05,
 2013 6:05 AM
  Having tested it for quite a while, I can tell you
 for sure it is an amazing technology that's only going to continue to 
get better.  The days of sending your work to the render farm & then
 playing ping-pong for a while are pretty much over.

-Paul



  
   	   
   	Xavier Lapointe  
  Friday, April 05,
 2013 1:21 AM
  I'll make sure 
to forward this. Thanks!-- Xavier


  
   	   
   	Thiago Costa  
  Friday, April 05,
 2013 1:18 AM
  Hi guys, 
good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things are quite 
standard to operate the kind of service we do.Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads:

As
 between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not claim any rights to any 
Renderings or the intellectual property that You submit to Lagoa for the
 purpose of creating such Renderings,

For clarity: Lagoa makes no claim over the 
ownership of the content nor the Renderings; we agree that you are the 
owner of the content that you create.  In this section, we 
receive a license to use the data you submit to make, among other 
 things, the Renderings that we are promising to make in the agreement. 
Without this license, we might not have the right to create the 
Renderings using the data that you submit and the functions conducted by
 our servers. If you wanted us to display your Renderings (so that 
others could view your work), we could not do so without this license.

To protect peoples interests, we also added that there are 
limits to what we can do with the Renderings you create. First, we 
cannot use the Renderings beyond the privacy settings that you have 
agreed to. If the content is made private for example we will not 
display it to anyone other than who you decide to give access to.

Second – if you are not a paying customer – we can sublicense more 
broadly, but only for certain purposes (to promote Lagoa, Lagoa’s 
models, Lagoa’s services, or you) and only for a limited period of time.
 So it's quite clear what we do.

In other words, we need this clause to operate
 our service.  We give some free storage and some free rendering, and 
the only way that we plan to use the content (created by our community) 
is to help the community itself to grow.  There are no hidden intentions
 here and we respect people's privacy.

In fact we have some real costumers doing real work 
in the system – it's been awhile.  So it's not like this is a new 
attempt. It's something proven to work and for some really large 
companies.

I hope that clarifies everything.thanks, 
-Thiago

  

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Thiago Costa]

Ciaran, why do you think playing ping-pong is silly? :P
We have a nice ping-pong Tournament at Lagoa's office every year, check it
out:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/celesteshankland/sets/72157633122673384/

-Thiago


On 5 April 2013 09:44, Ciaran Moloney  wrote:

> The days of sending your work to the render farm & then playing ping-pong
>> for a while are pretty much over.
>
>
> I too think the new Lagoa tech is really promising, but this is just about
> the silliest thing I've heard all day. Still, it's early
>
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Ciaran Moloney]

>
> The days of sending your work to the render farm & then playing ping-pong
> for a while are pretty much over.


I too think the new Lagoa tech is really promising, but this is just about
the silliest thing I've heard all day. Still, it's early

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Paul Griswold]

Having tested it for quite a while, I can tell you for sure it is an
amazing technology that's only going to continue to get better.  The days
of sending your work to the render farm & then playing ping-pong for a
while are pretty much over.

-Paul



On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Xavier Lapointe wrote:

> I'll make sure to forward this. Thanks!
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Thiago Costa wrote:
>
>> Hi guys, good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things are
>> quite standard to operate the kind of service we do.
>>
>> Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads:
>> As between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not claim any rights to any
>> Renderings or the intellectual property that You submit to Lagoa for the
>> purpose of creating such Renderings,
>>
>>
>> *For clarity: Lagoa makes no claim over the ownership of the content nor
>> the Renderings; we agree that you are the owner of the content that you
>> create.
>> *In this section, we receive a license to use the data you submit to
>> make, among other  things, the Renderings that we are promising to make in
>> the agreement. Without this license, we might not have the right to create
>> the Renderings using the data that you submit and the functions conducted
>> by our servers. If you wanted us to display your Renderings (so that others
>> could view your work), we could not do so without this license.
>>
>> To protect peoples interests, we also added that there are limits to what
>> we can do with the Renderings you create. First, we cannot use the
>> Renderings beyond the privacy settings that you have agreed to. If the
>> content is made private for example we will not display it to anyone other
>> than who you decide to give access to.
>>
>> Second – if you are not a paying customer – we can sublicense more
>> broadly, but only for certain purposes (to promote Lagoa, Lagoa’s models,
>> Lagoa’s services, or you) and only for a limited period of time. So it's
>> quite clear what we do.
>>
>> In other words, we need this clause to operate our service.  We give some
>> free storage and some free rendering, and the only way that we plan to use
>> the content (created by our community) is to help the community itself to
>> grow.  There are no hidden intentions here and we respect people's privacy.
>>
>> In fact we have some real costumers doing real work in the system – it's
>> been awhile.  So it's not like this is a new attempt. It's something proven
>> to work and for some really large companies.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies everything.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> -Thiago
>>
>>
>> On 3 April 2013 17:38, Xavier Lapointe  wrote:
>>
>>> I would think it's worth clarifying, because some people seems to be
>>> interpreting the wrong way what it actually is.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alan Fregtman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Even a "simple" service like Dropbox needs legal BS like that just so
 they can legally produce a thumbnail of a picture in your folders in the
 web view. They got in trouble a while back when someone saw their wording,
 but they clarified it later. (Lagoa should probably clarify their stance
 also.)



 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Xavier Lapointe <
 xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from
> what you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q :
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they
>> could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with
>> the back-end.
>> I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission
>> any of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but 
>> the
>> gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording 
>> on
>> the fact they have rights on the information you provide.
>>
>> They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form
>> with that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The
>> former is impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter 
>> can
>> plant a sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're
>> contracting.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe <
>> xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> More specifically this paragraph:
>>>
>>> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
>>> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
>>> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services 
>>> to
>>> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
>>> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not
>>> use th

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Xavier Lapointe]

I'll make sure to forward this. Thanks!




On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Thiago Costa wrote:

> Hi guys, good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things are quite
> standard to operate the kind of service we do.
>
> Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads:
> As between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not claim any rights to any
> Renderings or the intellectual property that You submit to Lagoa for the
> purpose of creating such Renderings,
>
>
> *For clarity: Lagoa makes no claim over the ownership of the content nor
> the Renderings; we agree that you are the owner of the content that you
> create.
> *In this section, we receive a license to use the data you submit to
> make, among other  things, the Renderings that we are promising to make in
> the agreement. Without this license, we might not have the right to create
> the Renderings using the data that you submit and the functions conducted
> by our servers. If you wanted us to display your Renderings (so that others
> could view your work), we could not do so without this license.
>
> To protect peoples interests, we also added that there are limits to what
> we can do with the Renderings you create. First, we cannot use the
> Renderings beyond the privacy settings that you have agreed to. If the
> content is made private for example we will not display it to anyone other
> than who you decide to give access to.
>
> Second – if you are not a paying customer – we can sublicense more
> broadly, but only for certain purposes (to promote Lagoa, Lagoa’s models,
> Lagoa’s services, or you) and only for a limited period of time. So it's
> quite clear what we do.
>
> In other words, we need this clause to operate our service.  We give some
> free storage and some free rendering, and the only way that we plan to use
> the content (created by our community) is to help the community itself to
> grow.  There are no hidden intentions here and we respect people's privacy.
>
> In fact we have some real costumers doing real work in the system – it's
> been awhile.  So it's not like this is a new attempt. It's something proven
> to work and for some really large companies.
>
> I hope that clarifies everything.
>
> thanks,
>
> -Thiago
>
>
> On 3 April 2013 17:38, Xavier Lapointe  wrote:
>
>> I would think it's worth clarifying, because some people seems to be
>> interpreting the wrong way what it actually is.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alan Fregtman wrote:
>>
>>> Even a "simple" service like Dropbox needs legal BS like that just so
>>> they can legally produce a thumbnail of a picture in your folders in the
>>> web view. They got in trouble a while back when someone saw their wording,
>>> but they clarified it later. (Lagoa should probably clarify their stance
>>> also.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Xavier Lapointe <
>>> xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from
 what you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q :

 Cheers


 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
 raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they
> could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with
> the back-end.
> I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission
> any of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but 
> the
> gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording 
> on
> the fact they have rights on the information you provide.
>
> They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with
> that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former 
> is
> impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a
> sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe <
> xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> More specifically this paragraph:
>>
>> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
>> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
>> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
>> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
>> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not
>> use the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have
>> agreed to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further,
>> that the license to any Renderings you have created until such time as 
>> you
>> have paid Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely
>> sublicensable as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the
>> purposes of promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lag

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Thiago Costa]

Hi guys, good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things are quite
standard to operate the kind of service we do.

Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads:
As between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not claim any rights to any Renderings
or the intellectual property that You submit to Lagoa for the purpose of
creating such Renderings,


*For clarity: Lagoa makes no claim over the ownership of the content nor
the Renderings; we agree that you are the owner of the content that you
create.
*In this section, we receive a license to use the data you submit to make,
among other  things, the Renderings that we are promising to make in the
agreement. Without this license, we might not have the right to create the
Renderings using the data that you submit and the functions conducted by
our servers. If you wanted us to display your Renderings (so that others
could view your work), we could not do so without this license.

To protect peoples interests, we also added that there are limits to what
we can do with the Renderings you create. First, we cannot use the
Renderings beyond the privacy settings that you have agreed to. If the
content is made private for example we will not display it to anyone other
than who you decide to give access to.

Second – if you are not a paying customer – we can sublicense more broadly,
but only for certain purposes (to promote Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s
services, or you) and only for a limited period of time. So it's quite
clear what we do.

In other words, we need this clause to operate our service.  We give some
free storage and some free rendering, and the only way that we plan to use
the content (created by our community) is to help the community itself to
grow.  There are no hidden intentions here and we respect people's privacy.

In fact we have some real costumers doing real work in the system – it's
been awhile.  So it's not like this is a new attempt. It's something proven
to work and for some really large companies.

I hope that clarifies everything.

thanks,

-Thiago


On 3 April 2013 17:38, Xavier Lapointe  wrote:

> I would think it's worth clarifying, because some people seems to be
> interpreting the wrong way what it actually is.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alan Fregtman wrote:
>
>> Even a "simple" service like Dropbox needs legal BS like that just so
>> they can legally produce a thumbnail of a picture in your folders in the
>> web view. They got in trouble a while back when someone saw their wording,
>> but they clarified it later. (Lagoa should probably clarify their stance
>> also.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Xavier Lapointe <
>> xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from
>>> what you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q :
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
>>> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they
 could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with
 the back-end.
 I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission any
 of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but the
 gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording on
 the fact they have rights on the information you provide.

 They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with
 that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former is
 impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a
 sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting.


 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe <
 xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> More specifically this paragraph:
>
> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not
> use the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have
> agreed to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further,
> that the license to any Renderings you have created until such time as you
> have paid Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely
> sublicensable as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the
> purposes of promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as
> the artist thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date
> that is six (6) months after the expiration or termination of your
> subscription to the Services.  You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free
> basis,

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Xavier Lapointe]

I would think it's worth clarifying, because some people seems to be
interpreting the wrong way what it actually is.


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Alan Fregtman wrote:

> Even a "simple" service like Dropbox needs legal BS like that just so they
> can legally produce a thumbnail of a picture in your folders in the web
> view. They got in trouble a while back when someone saw their wording, but
> they clarified it later. (Lagoa should probably clarify their stance also.)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Xavier Lapointe  > wrote:
>
>> I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from what
>> you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q :
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
>> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they
>>> could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with
>>> the back-end.
>>> I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission any
>>> of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but the
>>> gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording on
>>> the fact they have rights on the information you provide.
>>>
>>> They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with
>>> that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former is
>>> impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a
>>> sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe <
>>> xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 More specifically this paragraph:

 You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
 worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
 license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
 copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
 Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not use
 the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed
 to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the
 license to any Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid
 Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely sublicensable
 as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the purposes of
 promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as the artist
 thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date that is six
 (6) months after the expiration or termination of your subscription to the
 Services.  You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit
 any aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with
 aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so long as
 such use does not identify You.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
>>> and let them flee like the dogs they are!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Xavier
>>
>
>


-- 
Xavier

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Alan Fregtman]

Even a "simple" service like Dropbox needs legal BS like that just so they
can legally produce a thumbnail of a picture in your folders in the web
view. They got in trouble a while back when someone saw their wording, but
they clarified it later. (Lagoa should probably clarify their stance also.)



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Xavier Lapointe
wrote:

> I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from what
> you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q :
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
> raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they
>> could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with
>> the back-end.
>> I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission any
>> of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but the
>> gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording on
>> the fact they have rights on the information you provide.
>>
>> They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with
>> that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former is
>> impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a
>> sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe > > wrote:
>>
>>> More specifically this paragraph:
>>>
>>> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
>>> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
>>> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
>>> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
>>> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not use
>>> the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed
>>> to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the
>>> license to any Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid
>>> Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely sublicensable
>>> as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the purposes of
>>> promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as the artist
>>> thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date that is six
>>> (6) months after the expiration or termination of your subscription to the
>>> Services.  You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit
>>> any aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with
>>> aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so long as
>>> such use does not identify You.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
>> and let them flee like the dogs they are!
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Xavier
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Xavier Lapointe]

I'm no expert in this so I was just forwarding the response ... from what
you've just said it makes sense. And yes, I've no doubt on Thiago q :

Cheers


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Raffaele Fragapane <
raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they could
> be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with the
> back-end.
> I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission any of
> the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but the gray
> area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording on the
> fact they have rights on the information you provide.
>
> They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with
> that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former is
> impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a
> sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe 
> wrote:
>
>> More specifically this paragraph:
>>
>> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
>> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
>> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
>> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
>> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not use
>> the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed
>> to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the
>> license to any Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid
>> Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely sublicensable
>> as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the purposes of
>> promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as the artist
>> thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date that is six
>> (6) months after the expiration or termination of your subscription to the
>> Services.  You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit
>> any aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with
>> aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so long as
>> such use does not identify You.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
> and let them flee like the dogs they are!
>



-- 
Xavier

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Raffaele Fragapane]

It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they could
be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with the
back-end.
I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission any of
the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but the gray
area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording on the
fact they have rights on the information you provide.

They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with
that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former is
impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a
sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe wrote:

> More specifically this paragraph:
>
> You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
> worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
> license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
> copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
> Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not use
> the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed
> to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the
> license to any Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid
> Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely sublicensable
> as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the purposes of
> promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as the artist
> thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date that is six
> (6) months after the expiration or termination of your subscription to the
> Services.  You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit
> any aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with
> aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so long as
> such use does not identify You.
>



-- 
Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it
and let them flee like the dogs they are!

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Xavier Lapointe]

More specifically this paragraph:

You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up,
worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and
license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to
copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the
Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not use the
Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed to as
part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the license to
any Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid Lagoa for
use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely sublicensable as long
as such use of the Renderings is limited to the purposes of promoting
Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as the artist thereof,
from the creation of such Renderings until the date that is six (6) months
after the expiration or termination of your subscription to the Services.
You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit any
aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with aggregated
data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so long as such use does
not identify You.

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Xavier Lapointe]

I sent the announcement around at work and people were _very_ concerned
about this point in the Terms of contract: 4.  Intellectual Property
Rights; Restrictions.

Could you comment on that?

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Jason S]

A not the browser, but a cloud rendering backend. 

Pretty cool shit none the less


On 02/04/2013 8:22 PM, Christopher wrote:

  
The browser is doing all that, bullshit :) (Can I use such language on
this mailing list ?)
  
Christopher
  
  




Nasser
Al-Ostath

Tuesday,
April 02, 2013 6:15 PM



Wow this is awesome. ... chinny and
thiago ... you are amazing





Daniel
Brassard

Tuesday,
April 02, 2013 4:56 PM



Yes, Chinny joinned Thiago last year on his new
venture.


More info here:


http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/













Daniel
Brassard

Tuesday,
April 02, 2013 4:45 PM



Surprise this has not hit the list yet!


The

new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft. Lagoa
MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which is
mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.

We

have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug  

More

information on Lagoa MultiOptics
http://www.lagoa.com

Video
http://vimeo.com/63170024



All

the best

Chinny







Jason
S

Tuesday,
April 02, 2013 4:39 PM




Chinny? :)



  

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Leonard Koch]

@Christopher
It doesn't really make any sense to me in that context, but sure, I don't
think that there is anything wrong with it.

Is this a re-branding of team-up? (in an airport right now)
I experimented with team-up earlier this year and I was mostly very
impressed.
I really liked the global asset management, the interaction through chat
and render speed.
The actual user interaction and scene/property management I liked less.
That part of it still felt a lot like an early beta.
It will be interesting to see how these shortcomings and strengths have
developed.
Congratulations to the team for shipping it.
On Apr 2, 2013 7:23 PM, "Christopher" 
wrote:

> The browser is doing all that, bullshit :) (Can I use such language on
> this mailing list ?)
>
> Christopher
>
>   Nasser Al-Ostath 
>  Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:15 PM
>
> Wow this is awesome. ... chinny and thiago ... you are
> amazing
>   Daniel Brassard 
>  Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:56 PM
> Yes, Chinny joinned Thiago last year on his new venture.
>
> More info here:
>
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/
>
>
>
>
>   Daniel Brassard 
>  Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:45 PM
> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>
> The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft.
> Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which
> is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>
> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug [image: ;)]
>
> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
> http://www.lagoa.com
>
> Video
> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>
> All the best
>
> Chinny
>Jason S 
>  Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:39 PM
>  Chinny? :)
>
>
>
<>

RE: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Matt Lind]

Fuck no.  We don't tolerate that shit.



Matt

From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com 
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Christopher
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:22 PM
To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com
Subject: Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

The browser is doing all that, bullshit :) (Can I use such language on this 
mailing list ?)

Christopher


[cid:image001.jpg@01CE2FC7.E34BB4F0]
Nasser Al-Ostath<mailto:mushin@gmail.com>
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:15 PM

Wow this is awesome. ... chinny and thiago ... you are amazing
[cid:image001.jpg@01CE2FC7.E34BB4F0]
Daniel Brassard<mailto:dbrassar...@gmail.com>
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:56 PM
Yes, Chinny joinned Thiago last year on his new venture.

More info here:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/



[cid:image001.jpg@01CE2FC7.E34BB4F0]
Daniel Brassard<mailto:dbrassar...@gmail.com>
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:45 PM
Surprise this has not hit the list yet!

The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft. Lagoa 
MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which is mainly 
targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.

We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug 
[http://www.si-community.com/community/images/smilies/3.gif]

More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
http://www.lagoa.com<http://www.lagoa.com/>

Video
http://vimeo.com/63170024

All the best

Chinny
[cid:image001.jpg@01CE2FC7.E34BB4F0]
Jason S<mailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com>
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:39 PM
Chinny? :)

<>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Christopher]

The browser is doing all 
that, bullshit :) (Can I use such language on this mailing list ?)

Christopher


   	   
   	Nasser Al-Ostath  
  Tuesday, April 
02, 2013 6:15 PM
  Wow 
this is awesome. ... chinny and thiago ... you are amazing


  
   	   
   	Daniel Brassard  
  Tuesday, April 
02, 2013 4:56 PM
  Yes, Chinny 
joinned Thiago last year on his new venture.More
 info here:http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/


  
   	   
   	Daniel Brassard  
  Tuesday, April 
02, 2013 4:45 PM
  Surprise this 
has not hit the list yet!The
 new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft. Lagoa
 MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which is 
mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
We
 have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug  
More
 information on Lagoa MultiOptics
http://www.lagoa.com
Video
http://vimeo.com/63170024
All
 the best
Chinny


  
   	   
   	Jason S  
  Tuesday, April 
02, 2013 4:39 PM
  


  

Chinny? :)


  

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Nasser Al-Ostath]

Wow this is awesome. ... chinny and thiago ... you are
amazing
On Apr 2, 2013 11:57 PM, "Daniel Brassard"  wrote:

> Yes, Chinny joinned Thiago last year on his new venture.
>
> More info here:
>
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Jason S  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Chinny? :)
>>
>>
>> On 02/04/2013 4:45 PM, Daniel Brassard wrote:
>>
>> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>>
>>  The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft.
>> Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which
>> is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>>
>> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug [image: ;)]
>>
>> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
>> http://www.lagoa.com
>>
>> Video
>> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>>
>>  All the best
>>
>> Chinny
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Gene Crucean]

Soo awesome to see this finally launched

Tell ICEMAN I miss his sweet face.


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Brassard wrote:

> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>
> The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft.
> Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which
> is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>
> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug [image: ;)]
>
> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
> http://www.lagoa.com
>
> Video
> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>
> All the best
>
> Chinny
>



-- 
-Gene

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Nasser Al-Ostath]

The one and the only chinny ??? .woow...things are getting better
around here
On Apr 2, 2013 11:46 PM, "Daniel Brassard"  wrote:

> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>
> The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft.
> Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which
> is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>
> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug [image: ;)]
>
> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
> http://www.lagoa.com
>
> Video
> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>
> All the best
>
> Chinny
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Steven Caron]

oh my... i think the 'teamup' was trademarked...

https://goteamup.com/

https://www.getteamup.com/


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Jason S  wrote:

> **
> Chinny? :)
>
>
> On 02/04/2013 4:45 PM, Daniel Brassard wrote:
>
> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>
>  The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft.
> Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which
> is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>
> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug [image: ;)]
>
> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
> http://www.lagoa.com
>
> Video
> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>
>  All the best
>
> Chinny
>
>
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Javier Vega]

Yes, I tested it and it's very interesting, and works very well. Recommended!

Javier Vega
javierelas...@gmail.com
jav...@zao3d.com
http://www.zao3d.com
http://blog.zao3d.com


El 02/04/2013, a las 22:56, Daniel Brassard  escribió:

> Yes, Chinny joinned Thiago last year on his new venture.
> 
> More info here:
> 
> http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Jason S  wrote:
> Chinny? :)
> 
> 
> On 02/04/2013 4:45 PM, Daniel Brassard wrote:
>> 
>> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>> 
>> The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft. Lagoa 
>> MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which is 
>> mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>> 
>> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug  
>> 
>> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
>> http://www.lagoa.com
>> 
>> Video
>> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Chinny
> 
> 

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Daniel Brassard]

Yes, Chinny joinned Thiago last year on his new venture.

More info here:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/02/lagoa-debuts-industry-first-cloud-based-3d-design-platform-raises-1-6m-round-from-500-startups-atlas/



On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Jason S  wrote:

> **
> Chinny? :)
>
>
> On 02/04/2013 4:45 PM, Daniel Brassard wrote:
>
> Surprise this has not hit the list yet!
>
>  The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft.
> Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, which
> is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.
>
> We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug [image: ;)]
>
> More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
> http://www.lagoa.com
>
> Video
> http://vimeo.com/63170024
>
>  All the best
>
> Chinny
>
>
>

Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Jason S]

Chinny? :)

On 02/04/2013 4:45 PM, Daniel Brassard wrote:

Surprise this has not hit the list yet!

The new Lagoa is a different to the MultiPhysics we know inside Soft. 
Lagoa MultiOptics deals with interactive photoreal cloud rendering, 
which is mainly targeted at Designers, Engineering and Architecture.


We have launched today, and yes this is a shameless plug ;)

More information on Lagoa MultiOptics
http://www.lagoa.com 

Video
http://vimeo.com/63170024

All the best

Chinny