Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On 12. jan. 2010, at 16.27, Marvin Humphrey wrote: I think it's good to link to outside publications, and it doesn't seem like a problem to me that it's a related product. News snippets linking to magazine articles (especially positive reviews early on) are common fare on project webpages. I'm positive to pointing to commercial stuff from the site and wiki, that's gonna benefit the overall Lucene community. But why front page, and why as an ad with an image? A more neutral, still prominent placement would be on a new Commercial page linked to from the left menu. Although it's an excellent ref.guide, it clearly is a marketing instrument for Lucid, one out of a growing number of competitors in this field. There will be a growing need for more references to other commercial distros, plugins, documentation and more, and such stuff should have a vendor neutral home. +1 for a text link from a new Commercial page. -1 for image ad on front page -- (unless the ad is paid and tagged as an ad) -- Jan Høydahl - search architect Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Jan Høydahl / Cominvent wrote: On 12. jan. 2010, at 16.27, Marvin Humphrey wrote: I think it's good to link to outside publications, and it doesn't seem like a problem to me that it's a related product. News snippets linking to magazine articles (especially positive reviews early on) are common fare on project webpages. I'm positive to pointing to commercial stuff from the site and wiki, that's gonna benefit the overall Lucene community. But why front page, and why as an ad with an image? A more neutral, still prominent placement would be on a new Commercial page linked to from the left menu. Although it's an excellent ref.guide, it clearly is a marketing instrument for Lucid, one out of a growing number of competitors in this field. There will be a growing need for more references to other commercial distros, plugins, documentation and more, and such stuff should have a vendor neutral home. +1 for a text link from a new Commercial page. -1 for image ad on front page -- (unless the ad is paid and tagged as an ad) Please note Apache has specific rules on commercial stuff. Books are one thing, but commercial page is a different story.
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
I'm unclear where we are with this, but I've done the local forrest work to get this committed. As for it being an ad - any of the growing number of competitors are welcome to get their books / reference guides added to the site also. All it takes is a patch contribution and we'll get it added. Note that I'm only proposing we add a link to the reference guide, a free bit of documentation. I plan to commit today barring any major objections. We can always revise the site upon further discussion/patches. Erik On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Jan Høydahl / Cominvent wrote: On 12. jan. 2010, at 16.27, Marvin Humphrey wrote: I think it's good to link to outside publications, and it doesn't seem like a problem to me that it's a related product. News snippets linking to magazine articles (especially positive reviews early on) are common fare on project webpages. I'm positive to pointing to commercial stuff from the site and wiki, that's gonna benefit the overall Lucene community. But why front page, and why as an ad with an image? A more neutral, still prominent placement would be on a new Commercial page linked to from the left menu. Although it's an excellent ref.guide, it clearly is a marketing instrument for Lucid, one out of a growing number of competitors in this field. There will be a growing need for more references to other commercial distros, plugins, documentation and more, and such stuff should have a vendor neutral home. +1 for a text link from a new Commercial page. -1 for image ad on front page -- (unless the ad is paid and tagged as an ad) Please note Apache has specific rules on commercial stuff. Books are one thing, but commercial page is a different story.
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
Grant, Eric, thanks for clarifying; being a newbie to ASF I don't know all rules. Understand that commercial page is not an option, and given the exception for documentation, I change my vote to +0 -- as if my vote ever counted :-) Jan On 22. jan. 2010, at 18.39, Erik Hatcher wrote: I'm unclear where we are with this, but I've done the local forrest work to get this committed. As for it being an ad - any of the growing number of competitors are welcome to get their books / reference guides added to the site also. All it takes is a patch contribution and we'll get it added. Note that I'm only proposing we add a link to the reference guide, a free bit of documentation. I plan to commit today barring any major objections. We can always revise the site upon further discussion/patches. Erik On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Jan Høydahl / Cominvent wrote: On 12. jan. 2010, at 16.27, Marvin Humphrey wrote: I think it's good to link to outside publications, and it doesn't seem like a problem to me that it's a related product. News snippets linking to magazine articles (especially positive reviews early on) are common fare on project webpages. I'm positive to pointing to commercial stuff from the site and wiki, that's gonna benefit the overall Lucene community. But why front page, and why as an ad with an image? A more neutral, still prominent placement would be on a new Commercial page linked to from the left menu. Although it's an excellent ref.guide, it clearly is a marketing instrument for Lucid, one out of a growing number of competitors in this field. There will be a growing need for more references to other commercial distros, plugins, documentation and more, and such stuff should have a vendor neutral home. +1 for a text link from a new Commercial page. -1 for image ad on front page -- (unless the ad is paid and tagged as an ad) Please note Apache has specific rules on commercial stuff. Books are one thing, but commercial page is a different story.
LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
Hey gang, I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. So there is just a little bit more than in the distro (like kstem, tomcat). But then again, the Packt book* has more than what's in Solr 1.4 too (localsolr, field collapsing). Here's a link to our reference guide, that includes the image I'd use too: http://www.lucidimagination.com/Downloads/LucidWorks-for-Solr/Reference-Guide If there are no objections, I'll add it sometime this week. Erik * I blogged an extensive, belated, review of the Packt book earlier today here: http://www.lucidimagination.com/blog/2010/01/11/book-review-solr-packt-book/
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: Hey gang, I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. So there is just a little bit more than in the distro (like kstem, tomcat). But then again, the Packt book* has more than what's in Solr 1.4 too (localsolr, field collapsing). It also has other things, though, too. Like it comes w/ Tomcat and runs on a different port. Here's a link to our reference guide, that includes the image I'd use too: http://www.lucidimagination.com/Downloads/LucidWorks-for-Solr/Reference-Guide If there are no objections, I'll add it sometime this week. I guess as long as our policy is that everyone who has a book/ref guide (which was stated back in the Packt discussion) gets added (assuming they submit a patch) then I have no objections. I do worry that people will start asking questions about LucidWorks on solr-user@, which I'm not sure is appropriate, so we should monitor that fairly carefully. Also, that left hand column is going to start getting cluttered once you add in Lucid's Ref Guide and presumably Otis and Shalin's Solr In Action. So then people will start saying why can't my book be on top... I think it may also be worth, with all the books, noting that the ASF/Solr community makes no endorsements about any of the 3rd party guides. -Grant
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: Hey gang, I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. So there is just a little bit more than in the distro (like kstem, tomcat). But then again, the Packt book* has more than what's in Solr 1.4 too (localsolr, field collapsing). It also has other things, though, too. Like it comes w/ Tomcat and runs on a different port. It actually doesn't run on a different port currently. As far as I know, our distro is fixed to 8983 at the moment. Here's a link to our reference guide, that includes the image I'd use too: http://www.lucidimagination.com/Downloads/LucidWorks-for-Solr/Reference-Guide If there are no objections, I'll add it sometime this week. I guess as long as our policy is that everyone who has a book/ref guide (which was stated back in the Packt discussion) gets added (assuming they submit a patch) then I have no objections. I do worry that people will start asking questions about LucidWorks on solr-user@, which I'm not sure is appropriate, so we should monitor that fairly carefully. Yeah, we're already seeing that with KStem and such. Not a big deal though, we just gently redirect where appropriate. Also, that left hand column is going to start getting cluttered once you add in Lucid's Ref Guide and presumably Otis and Shalin's Solr In Action. So then people will start saying why can't my book be on top... I think it may also be worth, with all the books, noting that the ASF/Solr community makes no endorsements about any of the 3rd party guides. Yeah, nothing other communities haven't faced already too though. While it is a bit delicate to blend the commercial and book side of open source here, it's also what makes it tick much stronger too. So highlighting the books really helps out the community. Erik
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
Erik Hatcher wrote: On Jan 12, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Grant Ingersoll wrote: On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: Hey gang, I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. So there is just a little bit more than in the distro (like kstem, tomcat). But then again, the Packt book* has more than what's in Solr 1.4 too (localsolr, field collapsing). It also has other things, though, too. Like it comes w/ Tomcat and runs on a different port. It actually doesn't run on a different port currently. As far as I know, our distro is fixed to 8983 at the moment. And covering a different web container is a plus in my mind - we may ship with Jetty, but that doesn't mean thats all our documentation should cover - documentation covering Tomcat or Resin is just as valid as documentation covering Jetty in my opinion. Just because we choose to ship with Jetty running the example doesn't give it special status in regards to what a linked book/ref manual must cover IMO. Here's a link to our reference guide, that includes the image I'd use too: http://www.lucidimagination.com/Downloads/LucidWorks-for-Solr/Reference-Guide If there are no objections, I'll add it sometime this week. I guess as long as our policy is that everyone who has a book/ref guide (which was stated back in the Packt discussion) gets added (assuming they submit a patch) then I have no objections. I do worry that people will start asking questions about LucidWorks on solr-user@, which I'm not sure is appropriate, so we should monitor that fairly carefully. Yeah, we're already seeing that with KStem and such. Not a big deal though, we just gently redirect where appropriate. Also, that left hand column is going to start getting cluttered once you add in Lucid's Ref Guide and presumably Otis and Shalin's Solr In Action. So then people will start saying why can't my book be on top... I think it may also be worth, with all the books, noting that the ASF/Solr community makes no endorsements about any of the 3rd party guides. Yeah, nothing other communities haven't faced already too though. While it is a bit delicate to blend the commercial and book side of open source here, it's also what makes it tick much stronger too. So highlighting the books really helps out the community. Erik -- - Mark http://www.lucidimagination.com
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: Hey gang, I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. So there is just a little bit more than in the distro (like kstem, tomcat). But then again, the Packt book* has more than what's in Solr 1.4 too (localsolr, field collapsing). Here's a link to our reference guide, that includes the image I'd use too: http://www.lucidimagination.com/Downloads/LucidWorks-for-Solr/Reference-Guide If there are no objections, I'll add it sometime this week. +1, more doc is better then less! ryan
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
+1. We should explicitly point out that certain sections (like installation) apples to LucidWorks and not Apache Solr. Bill On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Ryan McKinley ryan...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: Hey gang, I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. So there is just a little bit more than in the distro (like kstem, tomcat). But then again, the Packt book* has more than what's in Solr 1.4 too (localsolr, field collapsing). Here's a link to our reference guide, that includes the image I'd use too: http://www.lucidimagination.com/Downloads/LucidWorks-for-Solr/Reference-Guide If there are no objections, I'll add it sometime this week. +1, more doc is better then less! ryan
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: I do worry that people will start asking questions about LucidWorks on solr-user@, which I'm not sure is appropriate, so we should monitor that fairly carefully. IMO, a single community is better than a split community - so discussion of LucidWorks on solr-user is actually more appropriate than anywhere else (for most of the topics at least). -Yonik http://www.lucidimagination.com
RE: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
Should the certified documentation highlight parts that are features and augmentations to the default solr distribution? Not unlike how documentation calls out '1.4 only'.
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Yonik Seeley wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: I do worry that people will start asking questions about LucidWorks on solr-user@, which I'm not sure is appropriate, so we should monitor that fairly carefully. IMO, a single community is better than a split community - so discussion of LucidWorks on solr-user is actually more appropriate than anywhere else (for most of the topics at least). Agreed about split, but I don't want people to be confused about someone referring to things that are only in the Lucid stuff and then thinking it is part of the main Solr stuff. I guess we can just handle on a case-by-case basis.
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
On Jan 12, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: I'd like to put an image and link to our LucidWorks for Solr Certified Distro Reference Guide on the Solr front page, and wondering if there were any objections. To toss out my only objection with my Apache hat on (yes, I'm really wearing it!), the reference guide isn't strictly about *Apache* Solr, it's about our distro of it. I think it's good to link to outside publications, and it doesn't seem like a problem to me that it's a related product. News snippets linking to magazine articles (especially positive reviews early on) are common fare on project webpages. What I might like to know, though, is how other publications might compete for this high-value screen real estate. For news snippets, old content naturally rolls off the page as new content gets added, and new content automatically gets added at the top. Would it make sense to adopt a similar FIFO policy for a slower-moving left hand column? Marvin Humphrey
Re: LucidWorks for Solr Reference Guide on front page?
: What I might like to know, though, is how other publications might compete for : this high-value screen real estate. For news snippets, old content naturally : rolls off the page as new content gets added, and new content automatically : gets added at the top. Would it make sense to adopt a similar FIFO policy for : a slower-moving left hand column? Probably. FWIW: Similar discussions were held about LIA on the Lucene-Java homepage, not going to repeat all of my comments again... http://old.nabble.com/LIA2-on-l.a.o-java-OK--to22113879.html#a22167140 -Hoss
