Re: [Spooks] XSL Question
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Leif Dehio wrote: > Mike, > > it's a PSK-waveform used by the Japanese Navy to broadcast > messages to vessels out at sea. Just like you'll see several > NATO circuits broadcasting "shore -> ship" traffic via several > parallel STANAG 4285 channels, the Japanese Navy does the same, > however using a proprietary (non-standardized) waveform. > > The part that sounds like a slot machine is the system in idle > mode, while the audio changes over to a more rushing sound when > the system sends message traffic. > > It's definitely not a radar system. > > BRGDS > > //Leif Thanks very much Leif, Is it a PSK waveform while idle, or just when transmitting data, or both? The idling sound pattern is what is intriguing to me, and it got me thinking about it being a radar, or something else that act similarly. I've heard the data sound pattern and it does sound exactly like STANAG 4285 data transmissions as you mention. However, the chop-chop part of the idle sound seems remarkably like the Russian "woodpecker" and other OTH radars I've heard. It didn't seem beyond possibility that the additional tone patterns were laid on top of (or interleaved with) the "chop-chop" part, and I was curious about it. There are lots of examples of signals embedded, or interleaved with other signals which are then later stripped out. X10 devices might be a good example, which use signalling over the 110v AC power lines. Another example might be IP over AC power lines. I'm very new to this, so I'm sure this has been brought up before and dismissed for various reasons. I just couldn't find any discussion about it in my Google searches. Thanks again, Mike __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2011-10-29 by SWL1409, Southwest of France. Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 9329 UNID Fri 10282011 1735 USB Unid beeper. Recording : http://soundcloud.com/swl1409/unid-beeper-9329usb-28oct2011 6942 XM Fri 10282011 1740 LSB Whales in progress. Recording : http://soundcloud.com/swl1409/xm-whales-6942lsb-28oct2011 The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.spynumbers.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Spooks] XSL Question
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list At 09:24 29.10.2011, you wrote: >Thanks very much Leif, > >Is it a PSK waveform while idle, or just when transmitting data, or both? > >The idling sound pattern is what is intriguing to me, and it got me >thinking about it being a radar, or something else that act similarly. >I've heard the data sound pattern and it does sound exactly like STANAG >4285 data transmissions as you mention. However, the chop-chop part of >the idle sound seems remarkably like the Russian "woodpecker" and other >OTH radars I've heard. It didn't seem beyond possibility that the >additional tone patterns were laid on top of (or interleaved with) the >"chop-chop" part, and I was curious about it. > >There are lots of examples of signals embedded, or interleaved with other >signals which are then later stripped out. X10 devices might be a good >example, which use signalling over the 110v AC power lines. Another >example might be IP over AC power lines. > >I'm very new to this, so I'm sure this has been brought up before and >dismissed for various reasons. I just couldn't find any discussion about >it in my Google searches. > >Thanks again, >Mike Hi Mike, the station sends 1500 Bd QPSK also in it's idle state. I suppose the additional tone frequencies that are visible when the station is in idle mode, are used to synchronize and align the modems on the remote side. Some basic info on the waveform can be found here: http://www.signals.taunus.de/FFT/J-NY_1500Bd_QPSK.HTML BRGDS //Leif and during the Location: near Munich/Germany IRC #wunclub on starchat.net / nick: LDO Website: http://www.signals.taunus.de/ PGP-key : 0x9B4992F9 or 0x0133BD80 __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Spooks] V13
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[Spooks] V13 Update
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[Spooks] G11
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Re: [Spooks] XSL Question
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Yeah, I'd imagine they are for sync and maybe channel quality measurements Tom Morris KG4CYX Renewable Energy Technician and Director of Mad Science, Sun Electronics, Miami Engineer, Radiate FM, Florida International University WRGP 88.1 / 95.3 / 96.9 FM Homestead / Miami / North Miami Beach 786-228-7087 This message sent from a mobile device. Horrible, embarrassing typos may be present. On Oct 29, 2011 7:26 AM, "Leif Dehio" wrote: > Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from > this list > > At 09:24 29.10.2011, you wrote: > >Thanks very much Leif, > > > >Is it a PSK waveform while idle, or just when transmitting data, or both? > > > >The idling sound pattern is what is intriguing to me, and it got me > >thinking about it being a radar, or something else that act similarly. > >I've heard the data sound pattern and it does sound exactly like STANAG > >4285 data transmissions as you mention. However, the chop-chop part of > >the idle sound seems remarkably like the Russian "woodpecker" and other > >OTH radars I've heard. It didn't seem beyond possibility that the > >additional tone patterns were laid on top of (or interleaved with) the > >"chop-chop" part, and I was curious about it. > > > >There are lots of examples of signals embedded, or interleaved with other > >signals which are then later stripped out. X10 devices might be a good > >example, which use signalling over the 110v AC power lines. Another > >example might be IP over AC power lines. > > > >I'm very new to this, so I'm sure this has been brought up before and > >dismissed for various reasons. I just couldn't find any discussion about > >it in my Google searches. > > > >Thanks again, > >Mike > > > Hi Mike, > > the station sends 1500 Bd QPSK also in it's idle state. > I suppose the additional tone frequencies that are visible > when the station is in idle mode, are used to synchronize > and align the modems on the remote side. > > Some basic info on the waveform can be found here: > > http://www.signals.taunus.de/FFT/J-NY_1500Bd_QPSK.HTML > > BRGDS > > //Leif > > > and during the > > > > > Location: near Munich/Germany > IRC #wunclub on starchat.net / nick: LDO > Website: http://www.signals.taunus.de/ > PGP-key : 0x9B4992F9 or 0x0133BD80 > > > __ > Spooks mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Spooks] XSL Question
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list Agreed that the idler which goes "nosiree bob, nosiree bob, nosiree bob bob bob" is for sync and channel probes. This waveform is only used in Japan and has stations of varying range on ~13 known frequencies. The data segments (payloads) are obviously encrypted and usually they have the same chop-chop-chop as the idler (though not always). The casinos seem to be replacing the machine which sounds like this with newer video based money eaters. Future generations will not be able to hear something that sounds unsettlingly like Japanese secure communication every time they drop a quarter, or two, or three. -hugh __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2011-10-30 by Ivellios Paranormalium, Katowice, Poland. Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 6797E06 Sun 10302011 0030AM strong signal but faded out The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.spynumbers.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2011-10-30 by Ivellios Paranormalium, Cracow, Poland (remote). Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 6797E06 Sun 10302011 0030 USB strong signal The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.spynumbers.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2011-10-30 by Ivellios Paranormalium, Cracow, Poland (remote). Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 6797E06 Sat 10292011 0030 USB strong signal The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.spynumbers.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Spooks] Automated Spy Numbers Loggings
Visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks to unsubscribe from this list These loggings were submitted to the Spy Numbers Station Database on 2011-10-30 by Tosi, Ohio, USA. Freq ENIGMA Day MMDD UTC Mode Comments -- --- -- - 18074V07 Sun 10302011 0100 USB 883 The Spy Numbers Database is an effort to create as complete a record of Spy Numbers Station transmissions as possible. You can submit your loggings to the database, and search the database. Details are available at http://www.spynumbers.com/numbersDB __ Spooks mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Spooks@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
