RE: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Timothy W Goins]

HUH?

Texas is not strange.

Go on line to the Texas Department of Insurance and you will find the list of 
CODES | STANDARDS that are required to be followed (At the minimum)

Out uniform fire CODE is the one that they have adopted

Cities must adopt a building CODE but we, as contractors, are still required to 
follow the minimum standard adopted by the State FM office and modified by the 
building code of a particular city.

 

Timothy W Goins
A & T Services

 

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Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and 
the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the 
flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Jn 3:5-6 NASB

 

Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse 
you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you 
a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of 
stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. Ezk 36:25-26 NASB

 

 

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Texas is special in that they have no uniform state fire code. All decisions 
are made at the county or local level and may depend on what the current FM 
wants (unless this is a big city then they may have their own standards). If 
the properties had been previously grandfathered, they may be required to be 
sprinklered as if new due to the rebuild. 

 

I did a group home project in one community in TX where it was approved as a 
13D, but when the new FM came in mid-project, he required it to be upgraded to 
13R. 


Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-553-3553 (fax)

860-608-4559 (cell)






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wrote:

Good afternoon. Do you have any idea why three rebuilt 2 story apartment 
buildings (after fire) in Texas would be required to have a fire sprinkler. 

 

There is nothing special about these, but there are 24 total buildings and 
three have burned down in each of the past 3 years. 

The fire marshal has required the 3 rebuilt ones to be fully sprinklered with 
fire alarm system.

 

Thank you,

Joe

  

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Re: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Bruce Verhei]

The city I worked for had in the sprinkler ordinance that if the work was 
greater than 50% of assessed building valuation that sprinklers to current 
standard were required. 

Some interesting conversations. Building was worth more than what county 
assessed it at. No, only that building, not the others in the complex. And of 
course I was shown a contract that was for exactly 49% of assessed value 
Really? A fire prevention guy drives there in his Citation II, still manages to 
go through six SCBA bottles (3, rehab break, 3 more), and they actually use the 
word "minimal" to describe the damage.

Have you closed the loop back to the fire plan reviewer? Presumably code 
reference is referred to in letter to architect. Emailing a PDF is easy.

Best

Bruce Verhei 

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:21, Matt Grise  wrote:
> 
> This is very common in the KC metro area. We frequently retrofit apartment 
> buildings as part of fire rehab. I never dug too deep as to why they were 
> required though. You might look at the IEBC. There are certain levels of 
> remodel that require sprinklers to be added. I would not be surprised if 
> their insurance carrier had a hand in it also. If they are losing buildings 
> on a regular basis, it would be a smart move to require sprinklers on the 
> rebuild.
>  
> Matt
>  
>  
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> This is in Houston TX. Thank you all!
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RE: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Matt Grise]

This is very common in the KC metro area. We frequently retrofit apartment 
buildings as part of fire rehab. I never dug too deep as to why they were 
required though. You might look at the IEBC. There are certain levels of 
remodel that require sprinklers to be added. I would not be surprised if their 
insurance carrier had a hand in it also. If they are losing buildings on a 
regular basis, it would be a smart move to require sprinklers on the rebuild.

Matt


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This is in Houston TX. Thank you all!

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Re: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Joe]

This is in Houston TX. Thank you all!

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Re: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[fpdcdesign]

  
  

 Texas is special in that they have no uniform state fire code. All decisions 
are made at the county or local level and may depend on what the current FM 
wants (unless this is a big city then they may have their own standards). If 
the properties had been previously grandfathered, they may be required to be 
sprinklered as if new due to the rebuild.   
  

  
I did a group home project in one community in TX where it was approved as a 
13D, but when the new FM came in mid-project, he required it to be upgraded to 
13R.   
  
  
  
 Todd G Williams, PE  
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
  
Stonington, CT
  
860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080)  (ofc)
  
860-553-3553 (tel:860-553-3553)  (fax)
  
860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559)  (cell)
  
  
  
  

  
  
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> On Jun 20, 2017 at 2:18 PM,   (mailto:inspect...@ifacilityconsulting.com)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>   
> Good afternoon. Do you have any idea why three rebuilt 2 story apartment 
> buildings (after fire) in Texas would be required to have a fire sprinkler.   
>   
>
>   
> There is nothing special about these, but there are 24 total buildings and 
> three have burned down in each of the past 3 years.   
>   
> The fire marshal has required the 3 rebuilt ones to be fully sprinklered with 
> fire alarm system.
>   
>
>   
> Thank you,
>   
> Joe
>   
>   
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RE: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Steve Leyton]

You’re on the AFSA Forum Joe - FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES.

Although, I think that if you subscribe to certain non-scientific theories 
about natural forces such as lightning it would be prudent to sprinkler the 
other 21 buildings ASAP.

Steve Leyton


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Subject: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

Good afternoon. Do you have any idea why three rebuilt 2 story apartment 
buildings (after fire) in Texas would be required to have a fire sprinkler.

There is nothing special about these, but there are 24 total buildings and 
three have burned down in each of the past 3 years.
The fire marshal has required the 3 rebuilt ones to be fully sprinklered with 
fire alarm system.

Thank you,
Joe
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Re: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Sean & Christine Conlin]

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#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; } Three buildings have burned down in the past three years!   That 
is unusual and the request to have the new buildings sprinklered seems like a 
reasonable request. 


Regards,Sean Conlin

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, 2:19 PM, Joe  
wrote:

Good afternoon. Do you have any idea why three rebuilt 2 story apartment 
buildings (after fire) in Texas would be required to have a fire sprinkler. 
There is nothing special about these, but there are 24 total buildings and 
three have burned down in each of the past 3 years. The fire marshal has 
required the 3 rebuilt ones to be fully sprinklered with fire alarm system.
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RE: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[John Paulsen]

I have seen cases where, either because of past history, remoteness from the 
nearest fire station or poor water supply, the local AHJ has required 
sprinklers in specific neighborhoods or a building complex. Is this in Ft Worth?

 

Thanks,

 

John Paulsen – SET

Crown Fire System Design

6282 Seeds Rd.

Grove City, OH 43123

P – 614-782-2438

F – 614-782-2374

C – 614-348-8206

 

 

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Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:18 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

 

Good afternoon. Do you have any idea why three rebuilt 2 story apartment 
buildings (after fire) in Texas would be required to have a fire sprinkler. 

 

There is nothing special about these, but there are 24 total buildings and 
three have burned down in each of the past 3 years. 

The fire marshal has required the 3 rebuilt ones to be fully sprinklered with 
fire alarm system.

 

Thank you,

Joe

  

   

 

  

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Texas 2 story apart building required to be sprinklered

[Joe]

Good afternoon. Do you have any idea why three rebuilt 2 story apartment
buildings (after fire) in Texas would be required to have a fire sprinkler.

There is nothing special about these, but there are 24 total buildings and
three have burned down in each of the past 3 years.
The fire marshal has required the 3 rebuilt ones to be fully sprinklered
with fire alarm system.

Thank you,
Joe
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RE: Sidewalls & Slopes

[Steve Leyton]

Because, by definition a slope less than 2:12 is a flat ceiling.   If the 
ceiling is in fact sloped by definition, the answer is no because all the 
listings for cross-slope and up-slope positioning were pulled a few years ago.  
 You can discharge down the slope only.

Steve L.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 5:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Sidewalls & Slopes

I believe the answer would be nothing, assuming the slope is under 2:12, (NFPA 
13 2016 8.7.4.2.1 and .2)



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Is there anything that precludes using standard spray sidewall heads to through 
across the slope of a roof in alight hazard application?

Brian Harris, CET
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RE: Sidewalls & Slopes

[B.J. Newlin]

There isn't anything that specifically precludes throwing across the slope
unless it exceeds 2 in 12.  If it doesn't exceed 2:12 it is treated as flat.

 

8.7.4.2.2 Sidewall sprinklers, where installed under a sloped

ceiling with a slope exceeding 2 in 12, shall be located at the

high point of the slope and positioned to discharge downward

along the slope.

 

2013 Ed.

 

B.J. Newlin

Service Sales

Aegis Fire Protection LLC.

 

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important matters" 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:11 AM
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Subject: Sidewalls & Slopes

 

Is there anything that precludes using standard spray sidewall heads to
through across the slope of a roof in alight hazard application?

 

Brian Harris, CET

BVS Systems Inc.

Design Manager

bvssystemsinc.com  

Phone: 704.896.9989

Fax: 704.896.1935

 

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Re: Sidewalls & Slopes

[Mike B Morey]

I believe the answer would be nothing, assuming the slope is under 2:12, 
(NFPA 13 2016 8.7.4.2.1 and .2)



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CFPS 3229 • NICET S.E.T. 123677
Project Manager • Fire Protection Group
Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company
7614 Opportunity Drive • Fort Wayne, IN • 46825
direct 260.487.7824 /  cell 260.417.0625 /  fax 260.487.7991
email mmo...@shambaugh.com







From:   Brian Harris 
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Date:   06/20/2017 08:10 AM
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Is there anything that precludes using standard spray sidewall heads to 
through across the slope of a roof in alight hazard application?
 
Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
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Fax: 704.896.1935
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Sidewalls & Slopes

[Brian Harris]

Is there anything that precludes using standard spray sidewall heads to through 
across the slope of a roof in alight hazard application?

Brian Harris, CET
BVS Systems Inc.
Design Manager
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Phone: 704.896.9989
Fax: 704.896.1935

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