[Sprinklerforum] Re: Proprietary Product

2024-01-09 Thread Prahl, Craig 
If The client can't give you a description of what they plan to do within the 
space, it would  be in your best interest to just walk away.  I've been dealing 
with Special Hazard occupancies in industrial facilities for a long time.  
There's not enough information in your description to just slap an NFPA 13 
criteria on the spaces.  There could be special enclosure protection, dust 
collection system protection and who knows what else when you're dealing with 
any type of manufacturing related to plastics.

I deal with new products all the time.  We sign a non-disclosure with the owner 
in order to get the required information. If they try to keep secrets from me, 
the design goes to the ultimate maximum most expensive option available.  $ 
gets their attention.

This kind of project needs to be looked at by a competent fire protection 
"engineer" who has experience in these types of industrial environments.

Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Fire Protection SME - Special Hazards | 
craig.pr...@jacobs.com | 
www.jacobs.com
1041 East Butler Road   Greenville, South Carolina  29606
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From: Justin McKinnon 
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 3:48 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sprinklerforum] Proprietary Product

Good afternoon, all-

We are currently working on a quote for a customer (Corning) who will be 
installing an enclosed assembly line within an existing building. They can not 
share with us what is being assembled due to copyright issues. The customer did 
state that there will be fiber optic cables with PVC jackets, fiber optic cable 
jumpers, HCL and ARIMID fibers, and ULTEM plastic involved in the assembly 
line. Anyone have any suggestions on the occupancy classification? Would this 
fall under plastics manufacturing (EH2) or electronics plant (OH1), or perhaps 
something else? The plastic isn't being manufactured in the assembly line. 
Thank you!

Justin McKinnon, CET
Design Specialist - Sprinkler/Backflow Division
NICET Level III - Water-based Systems Layout, #142009
Serving NC | SC | GA | TN | VA | FL | WV | MD | AL
Corporate Office: 828-328-6363
Cell Phone: 828-679-0744

  
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Proprietary Product

2024-01-09 Thread Justin McKinnon 
Thank you, Todd.

Justin McKinnon, CET
Design Specialist - Sprinkler/Backflow Division
NICET Level III - Water-based Systems Layout, #142009
Serving NC | SC | GA | TN | VA | FL | WV | MD | AL
Corporate Office: 828-328-6363
Cell Phone: 828-679-0744

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These are the type oof questions I don't like to answer on the Forum. Too much 
you don't know. This is the type of thing the Owner should have an FPE review 
and have them develop a design spec. Not a design build project.

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
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Good afternoon, all-

We are currently working on a quote for a customer (Corning) who will be 
installing an enclosed assembly line within an existing building. They can not 
share with us what is being assembled due to copyright issues. The customer did 
state that there will be fiber optic cables with PVC jackets, fiber optic cable 
jumpers, HCL and ARIMID fibers, and ULTEM plastic involved in the assembly 
line. Anyone have any suggestions on the occupancy classification? Would this 
fall under plastics manufacturing (EH2) or electronics plant (OH1), or perhaps 
something else? The plastic isn't being manufactured in the assembly line. 
Thank you!

Justin McKinnon, CET
Design Specialist - Sprinkler/Backflow Division
NICET Level III - Water-based Systems Layout, #142009
Serving NC | SC | GA | TN | VA | FL | WV | MD | AL
Corporate Office: 828-328-6363
Cell Phone: 828-679-0744

  
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[Sprinklerforum] Re: Proprietary Product

2024-01-09 Thread Fpdcdesign 
  
  

  These are the type oof questions I don’t like to answer on the Forum. Too 
much you don’t know. This is the type of thing the Owner should have an FPE 
review and have them develop a design spec. Not a design build project.   
  
  
  
Todd G Williams, PE  
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
  
Stonington, CT
  
860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080)  (ofc)
  
860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax)
  
860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559)  (cell)
  
  
  
  

  
  
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> not share with us what is being assembled due to copyright issues. The 
> customer did state that there will be fiber optic cables with PVC jackets, 
> fiber optic cable jumpers, HCL and ARIMID fibers, and ULTEM plastic involved 
> in the assembly line. Anyone have any suggestions on the occupancy 
> classification? Would this fall under plastics manufacturing (EH2) or 
> electronics plant (OH1), or perhaps something else? The plastic isn’t being 
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