RE: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread Bob Caputo via Sprinklerforum
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President
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-Original Message-
From: Sprinklerforum  On
Behalf Of AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 5:54 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Cc: AKS-Gmail-IMAP 
Subject: Re: Material Prices !!

My hogwash radar alarm went off. So I checked. People in the fire sprinkler
protection business did time combing through code and standards books. I
cannot apologize for checking.
US Antitrust laws comprise three acts. One is The Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It
is all about conspiracy in restraint of trade, such as monopolization,
attempted monopolization or conspiracy or combination to monopolize. Wrong
buzzer on that one. The second Act is The Federal Trade Commission Act. It
bans unfair methods of competition and unfair or deceptive acts or
practices. Wrong buzzer on that one also. The third Act is The Clayton
Antitrust Act. It is about mergers and acquisitions that substantially
lessen competition or tend to create a monopoly. Wrong buzzer for that one
also.
Checking steel prices, the US steel prices are currently 3 to 4 times what
they where at this time last year. The steel prices in other parts of the
world are not exhibiting the same degree of out of balance. The true
antitrust aspect has to do with the price of steel. That alone may not be
what this forum is about, but a good portion of a sprinkler system is steel.
Certainly, business contract practices necessary to ensure the proper health
of fire sprinkler contractors’ businesses so that they can provide and
install effective fire sprinkler systems is forum material.

Alllan Seidel
St. Louis, MO

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum
>  wrote:
>
> Just a reminder to the forum that this is toeing the line on
> Anti-Trust Policies. Please refrain from further comment on specific
> pricing of products and proposals.
>
> Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE *Coordinator, Engineering
> and Technical Services*
>
> *American Fire Sprinkler Association*
> p: 214-349-5971
> w: firesprinkler.org
> <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/>
> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/>
>   <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/>
>
>
> *Get in the (Fitter) Zone!*
>
> AFSA's "Fitter Zone" features live webinars designed specifically for
> fire sprinkler fitters. These live presentations are held on Saturdays
> whenever possible, so you don't have to take your fitters out of the
> field during the workweek. If you cannot attend live sessions, these
> webinars will be recorded and can be purchased for on-demand access.
> Learn more *here* <https://www.firesprinkler.org/fitterzone>.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 12:18 PM JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
>
>> Who all is demanding an escalation clause in contracts right now?
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> 
>> From: Sprinklerforum 
>> on behalf of Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum <
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:14:37 AM
>> To: 321 ;
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
>> Cc: Skyler Bilbo 
>> Subject: Re: Material Prices !!
>>
>> Domestic steel prices are through the roof.  Domestic HRB went from
>> around
>> $600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently,
>> in pretty much a straight line up.  Make sure you are communicating
>> this to your customers.  Wood has pretty much come back to earth from
>> the recent high, but steel seemingly keeps going up.
>>
>>
>> Skyler Bilbo
>> 217-819-6404 Cell
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:44 AM 321 via Sprinklerforum <
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I 

Re: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread AKS-Gmail-IMAP via Sprinklerforum
My hogwash radar alarm went off. So I checked. People in the fire sprinkler 
protection business did time combing through code and standards books. I cannot 
apologize for checking.
US Antitrust laws comprise three acts. One is The Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It is 
all about conspiracy in restraint of trade, such as monopolization, attempted 
monopolization or conspiracy or combination to monopolize. Wrong buzzer on that 
one. The second Act is The Federal Trade Commission Act. It bans unfair methods 
of competition and unfair or deceptive acts or practices. Wrong buzzer on that 
one also. The third Act is The Clayton Antitrust Act. It is about mergers and 
acquisitions that substantially lessen competition or tend to create a 
monopoly. Wrong buzzer for that one also.
Checking steel prices, the US steel prices are currently 3 to 4 times what they 
where at this time last year. The steel prices in other parts of the world are 
not exhibiting the same degree of out of balance. The true antitrust aspect has 
to do with the price of steel. That alone may not be what this forum is about, 
but a good portion of a sprinkler system is steel. Certainly, business contract 
practices necessary to ensure the proper health of fire sprinkler contractors’ 
businesses so that they can provide and install effective fire sprinkler 
systems is forum material.

Alllan Seidel
St. Louis, MO

> On Aug 5, 2021, at 12:16 PM, Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just a reminder to the forum that this is toeing the line on
> Anti-Trust Policies. Please refrain from further comment on specific
> pricing of products and proposals.
> 
> Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE
> *Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services*
> 
> *American Fire Sprinkler Association*
> p: 214-349-5971
> w: firesprinkler.org
> <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/>
> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/>
>   <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/>
> 
> 
> *Get in the (Fitter) Zone!*
> 
> AFSA's "Fitter Zone" features live webinars designed specifically for fire
> sprinkler fitters. These live presentations are held on Saturdays whenever
> possible, so you don't have to take your fitters out of the field during
> the workweek. If you cannot attend live sessions, these webinars will be
> recorded and can be purchased for on-demand access.  Learn more *here*
> <https://www.firesprinkler.org/fitterzone>.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 12:18 PM JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
> 
>> Who all is demanding an escalation clause in contracts right now?
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> 
>> From: Sprinklerforum  on
>> behalf of Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum <
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:14:37 AM
>> To: 321 ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
>> Cc: Skyler Bilbo 
>> Subject: Re: Material Prices !!
>> 
>> Domestic steel prices are through the roof.  Domestic HRB went from around
>> $600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently, in
>> pretty much a straight line up.  Make sure you are communicating this to
>> your customers.  Wood has pretty much come back to earth from the recent
>> high, but steel seemingly keeps going up.
>> 
>> 
>> Skyler Bilbo
>> 217-819-6404 Cell
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:44 AM 321 via Sprinklerforum <
>> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than
>>> half of that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe,
>> Iron
>>> Fittings, availability?
>>> On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and
>>> fittings imported because Walmart bought up all the Sea Can Shipping
>>> containers for their use.
>>> A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> |
>>> |
>>> |  |
>>> A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
>>> 
>>> Nicolás Rivero
>>> 
>>> The shortage of shipping containers is yet another symptom of the havoc
>>> the pandemic has wrought on internationa...
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>

Re: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread Ron Greenman via Sprinklerforum
There's also a shortage of port capacity/unlading capability (and I'll
assume loading at the other end). The Suez parking debacle put everything
using that transit days behind schedule and so tying up those containers
and throwing shipping schedules off. Logistics, logistics, logistics. For
lack of a nail, the shoe, the horse, the messenger, the battle, the war...

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:17 AM Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> Just a reminder to the forum that this is toeing the line on
> Anti-Trust Policies. Please refrain from further comment on specific
> pricing of products and proposals.
>
> Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE
> *Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services*
>
> *American Fire Sprinkler Association*
> p: 214-349-5971
> w: firesprinkler.org
> <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/>
> <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224>
> <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/
> >
><https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/>
>
>
> *Get in the (Fitter) Zone!*
>
> AFSA's "Fitter Zone" features live webinars designed specifically for fire
> sprinkler fitters. These live presentations are held on Saturdays whenever
> possible, so you don't have to take your fitters out of the field during
> the workweek. If you cannot attend live sessions, these webinars will be
> recorded and can be purchased for on-demand access.  Learn more *here*
> <https://www.firesprinkler.org/fitterzone>.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 12:18 PM JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
>
> > Who all is demanding an escalation clause in contracts right now?
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > 
> > From: Sprinklerforum  on
> > behalf of Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum <
> > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:14:37 AM
> > To: 321 ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <
> > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
> > Cc: Skyler Bilbo 
> > Subject: Re: Material Prices !!
> >
> > Domestic steel prices are through the roof.  Domestic HRB went from
> around
> > $600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently, in
> > pretty much a straight line up.  Make sure you are communicating this to
> > your customers.  Wood has pretty much come back to earth from the recent
> > high, but steel seemingly keeps going up.
> >
> >
> > Skyler Bilbo
> > 217-819-6404 Cell
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:44 AM 321 via Sprinklerforum <
> > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than
> > > half of that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe,
> > Iron
> > > Fittings, availability?
> > > On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and
> > > fittings imported because Walmart bought up all the Sea Can Shipping
> > > containers for their use.
> > > A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
> > >
> > >
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |
> > > |  |  |
> > >
> > >  |
> > >
> > >  |
> > > |
> > > |  |
> > > A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
> > >
> > > Nicolás Rivero
> > >
> > > The shortage of shipping containers is yet another symptom of the havoc
> > > the pandemic has wrought on internationa...
> > >  |
> > >
> > >  |
> > >
> > >  |
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't pass these cost thru to customers...we budgeted these jobs 6
> or 7
> > > months ago with some escalation built in...but not 150% !!
> > >
> > > John W. FarabeeCertified Lower Keys Plumbing and FireKey West, Florida
> > > 561-707-5150
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 11:33:13 AM EDT, Spencer Tomlinson via
> > > Sprinklerforum  wrote:
> > >
> > >  It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well,
> for
> > > what used to be pretty standard order items.  I hear there may still be
> > > another 3-5% coming.
> > >
> > > Spencer Tomlinson, PE
> > > Owner, Fire Protection Engineer
> > >
> > >
> > > Ph:  316-2

Re: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum
Just a reminder to the forum that this is toeing the line on
Anti-Trust Policies. Please refrain from further comment on specific
pricing of products and proposals.

Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE
*Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services*

*American Fire Sprinkler Association*
p: 214-349-5971
w: firesprinkler.org
<https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/>
<https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224>
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/>
   <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/>


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sprinkler fitters. These live presentations are held on Saturdays whenever
possible, so you don't have to take your fitters out of the field during
the workweek. If you cannot attend live sessions, these webinars will be
recorded and can be purchased for on-demand access.  Learn more *here*
<https://www.firesprinkler.org/fitterzone>.


On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 12:18 PM JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> Who all is demanding an escalation clause in contracts right now?
>
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Sprinklerforum  on
> behalf of Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:14:37 AM
> To: 321 ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
> Cc: Skyler Bilbo 
> Subject: Re: Material Prices !!
>
> Domestic steel prices are through the roof.  Domestic HRB went from around
> $600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently, in
> pretty much a straight line up.  Make sure you are communicating this to
> your customers.  Wood has pretty much come back to earth from the recent
> high, but steel seemingly keeps going up.
>
>
> Skyler Bilbo
> 217-819-6404 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:44 AM 321 via Sprinklerforum <
> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
>
> > I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than
> > half of that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe,
> Iron
> > Fittings, availability?
> > On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and
> > fittings imported because Walmart bought up all the Sea Can Shipping
> > containers for their use.
> > A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
> >
> >
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |  |  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> > |
> > |  |
> > A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
> >
> > Nicolás Rivero
> >
> > The shortage of shipping containers is yet another symptom of the havoc
> > the pandemic has wrought on internationa...
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >  |
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't pass these cost thru to customers...we budgeted these jobs 6 or 7
> > months ago with some escalation built in...but not 150% !!
> >
> > John W. FarabeeCertified Lower Keys Plumbing and FireKey West, Florida
> > 561-707-5150
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 11:33:13 AM EDT, Spencer Tomlinson via
> > Sprinklerforum  wrote:
> >
> >  It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well, for
> > what used to be pretty standard order items.  I hear there may still be
> > another 3-5% coming.
> >
> > Spencer Tomlinson, PE
> > Owner, Fire Protection Engineer
> >
> >
> > Ph:  316-202-6412
> > Fax: 316-202-2346
> > Cell: 620-955-7293
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sprinklerforum  On
> > Behalf Of 321 via Sprinklerforum
> > Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:31 AM
> > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> > Cc: 321 
> > Subject: Material Prices !!
> >
> > I just received quotes on some steel fab on 2: different systems we are
> > doing. Try $238.63/head for a center feed, 2 1/2" Cross Main/2" Branch
> Line
> > Thin wall/Welded/Galvanized system !! $21,000 for 88 headsheads not
> > included!!
> > Anyone else experiencing this insanity?!
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Re: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum
Who all is demanding an escalation clause in contracts right now?

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Sprinklerforum  on behalf 
of Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum 
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:14:37 AM
To: 321 ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org 

Cc: Skyler Bilbo 
Subject: Re: Material Prices !!

Domestic steel prices are through the roof.  Domestic HRB went from around
$600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently, in
pretty much a straight line up.  Make sure you are communicating this to
your customers.  Wood has pretty much come back to earth from the recent
high, but steel seemingly keeps going up.


Skyler Bilbo
217-819-6404 Cell


On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:44 AM 321 via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than
> half of that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe, Iron
> Fittings, availability?
> On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and
> fittings imported because Walmart bought up all the Sea Can Shipping
> containers for their use.
> A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
>
>
> |
> |
> |
> |  |  |
>
>  |
>
>  |
> |
> |  |
> A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
>
> Nicolás Rivero
>
> The shortage of shipping containers is yet another symptom of the havoc
> the pandemic has wrought on internationa...
>  |
>
>  |
>
>  |
>
>
>
>
> I can't pass these cost thru to customers...we budgeted these jobs 6 or 7
> months ago with some escalation built in...but not 150% !!
>
> John W. FarabeeCertified Lower Keys Plumbing and FireKey West, Florida
> 561-707-5150
>
>
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 11:33:13 AM EDT, Spencer Tomlinson via
> Sprinklerforum  wrote:
>
>  It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well, for
> what used to be pretty standard order items.  I hear there may still be
> another 3-5% coming.
>
> Spencer Tomlinson, PE
> Owner, Fire Protection Engineer
>
>
> Ph:  316-202-6412
> Fax: 316-202-2346
> Cell: 620-955-7293
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprinklerforum  On
> Behalf Of 321 via Sprinklerforum
> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Cc: 321 
> Subject: Material Prices !!
>
> I just received quotes on some steel fab on 2: different systems we are
> doing. Try $238.63/head for a center feed, 2 1/2" Cross Main/2" Branch Line
> Thin wall/Welded/Galvanized system !! $21,000 for 88 headsheads not
> included!!
> Anyone else experiencing this insanity?!
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Re: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum
Domestic steel prices are through the roof.  Domestic HRB went from around
$600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently, in
pretty much a straight line up.  Make sure you are communicating this to
your customers.  Wood has pretty much come back to earth from the recent
high, but steel seemingly keeps going up.


Skyler Bilbo
217-819-6404 Cell


On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 10:44 AM 321 via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:

> I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than
> half of that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe, Iron
> Fittings, availability?
> On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and
> fittings imported because Walmart bought up all the Sea Can Shipping
> containers for their use.
> A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
>
>
> |
> |
> |
> |  |  |
>
>  |
>
>  |
> |
> |  |
> A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade
>
> Nicolás Rivero
>
> The shortage of shipping containers is yet another symptom of the havoc
> the pandemic has wrought on internationa...
>  |
>
>  |
>
>  |
>
>
>
>
> I can't pass these cost thru to customers...we budgeted these jobs 6 or 7
> months ago with some escalation built in...but not 150% !!
>
> John W. FarabeeCertified Lower Keys Plumbing and FireKey West, Florida
> 561-707-5150
>
>
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 11:33:13 AM EDT, Spencer Tomlinson via
> Sprinklerforum  wrote:
>
>  It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well, for
> what used to be pretty standard order items.  I hear there may still be
> another 3-5% coming.
>
> Spencer Tomlinson, PE
> Owner, Fire Protection Engineer
>
>
> Ph:  316-202-6412
> Fax: 316-202-2346
> Cell: 620-955-7293
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprinklerforum  On
> Behalf Of 321 via Sprinklerforum
> Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Cc: 321 
> Subject: Material Prices !!
>
> I just received quotes on some steel fab on 2: different systems we are
> doing. Try $238.63/head for a center feed, 2 1/2" Cross Main/2" Branch Line
> Thin wall/Welded/Galvanized system !! $21,000 for 88 headsheads not
> included!!
> Anyone else experiencing this insanity?!
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Re: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread 321 via Sprinklerforum
I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than half of 
that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe, Iron Fittings, 
availability?
On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and fittings 
imported because Walmart bought up all the Sea Can Shipping containers for 
their use.
A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade


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A shipping container shortage is snarling global trade

Nicolás Rivero

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I can't pass these cost thru to customers...we budgeted these jobs 6 or 7 
months ago with some escalation built in...but not 150% !!

John W. FarabeeCertified Lower Keys Plumbing and FireKey West, Florida
561-707-5150
 

On Thursday, August 5, 2021, 11:33:13 AM EDT, Spencer Tomlinson via 
Sprinklerforum  wrote:  
 
 It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well, for what 
used to be pretty standard order items.  I hear there may still be another 3-5% 
coming.

Spencer Tomlinson, PE
Owner, Fire Protection Engineer


Ph:  316-202-6412
Fax: 316-202-2346
Cell: 620-955-7293

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Of 321 via Sprinklerforum
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Cc: 321 
Subject: Material Prices !!

I just received quotes on some steel fab on 2: different systems we are doing. 
Try $238.63/head for a center feed, 2 1/2" Cross Main/2" Branch Line Thin 
wall/Welded/Galvanized system !! $21,000 for 88 headsheads not included!!
Anyone else experiencing this insanity?!
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RE: Material Prices !!

2021-08-05 Thread Spencer Tomlinson via Sprinklerforum
It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well, for what 
used to be pretty standard order items.  I hear there may still be another 3-5% 
coming.

Spencer Tomlinson, PE
Owner, Fire Protection Engineer


Ph:  316-202-6412
Fax: 316-202-2346
Cell: 620-955-7293

-Original Message-
From: Sprinklerforum  On Behalf 
Of 321 via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:31 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Cc: 321 
Subject: Material Prices !!

I just received quotes on some steel fab on 2: different systems we are doing. 
Try $238.63/head for a center feed, 2 1/2" Cross Main/2" Branch Line Thin 
wall/Welded/Galvanized system !! $21,000 for 88 headsheads not included!!
Anyone else experiencing this insanity?!
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