RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 -0000 Issue 115
I think there are a number of extremely well designed and implemented "free" product out in the market that are at the top of their heap, but are the exception to the general rule. I think SQLite is possibly the best example of that I have ever found in my entire career. But, SQLite is like most of the other good "Free" products I have found, they are the product of some individual who's primary focus in life is not software development, and they come with source. True, I'd like to have half the money and time I have thrown after "commercial" products that were not as advertised. But, I don't feel the answer to that problem is free. The market takes care of those products. I know, I could send you a list of them, if you have DSL or better connectivity. I have learned a very long time ago, if at all possible, buy the source, at least you will have that to fall back on. Fred > -Original Message- > From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 - > Issue 115 > > > > >Sorry, Not paying too much attention to the authors in the thread. It > >never ceases to amaze me the endless number of "software developers" > >wishing to develop a "commercial" product using "free" software. > > "Unfortunately", some times the best tools for the job are free... > ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 -0000 Issue 115
When you're saying "free," do you mean "free, as in a beer?" Or are you talking about closed source free software? I came in late. -Original Message- From: Fred Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 5:19 PM To: Griggs, Donald; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 - Issue 115 Sorry, Not paying too much attention to the authors in the thread. It never ceases to amaze me the endless number of "software developers" wishing to develop a "commercial" product using "free" software. Similar to the all fired up young lady, extremely excited about being an MSN beta tester. Who was admitting she was spending way too much time testing for Micekysoft, and wondering why she could not get paid to beta test. I proposed that maybe there was way too many like her willing to do it for free. Fred > -Original Message- > From: Griggs, Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:56 AM > To: 'Fred Williams'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 > - Issue 115 > > > Re: Tool licenses > > Thanks, Fred, a good point -- I would tend toward open-source > solutions as well. I was not the poser of the question, though, just > someone hoping to add a little to the information about the options. > > -Original Message- > From: Fred Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 > - Issue 115 > > > Well, generally I think building a business on "free" products, for > which one does not control the source is like building a house on sand. > It can be > done, but ... I would have thought your question was related to > personal use. If I can't afford a "commercial" full license product I > think I would first review my business plan. > > Fred > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 -0000 Issue 115
Well, generally I think building a business on "free" products, for which one does not control the source is like building a house on sand. It can be done, but ... I would have thought your question was related to personal use. If I can't afford a "commercial" full license product I think I would first review my business plan. Fred > -Original Message- > From: Griggs, Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 7:32 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 - > Issue 115 > > > Re: The subject of licenses on toolkits: > >".Anyway, better solutions [than Microsoft's] have already been > offered so I'll say no more on > this thread." > > > Am I correct in that the Borland solution offered earlier has a license > restricting it to *personal* use only? If so, then (gulp) is it true that > the Micro$oft license is actually the much more liberal one? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 -0000 Issue 115
G'day, Ulrik Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 23/05/2004 07:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 - Issue 115 > Read especially section 3.2. The EULA is here: > http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/eula.aspx > IANAL, but the way I understand it, you can't link against their > libraries and still distribute your code under an Open Source license, > or distribute your binaries under a license that requires that the > software be offered at no charge. My understanding may be flawed, so > read the EULA yourself before deciding whether the toolchain is for you. IANALE, but my reading is a little different. I think that all its saying is that you can't release your software under a license that forces the -microsoft- libraries to be open source. According to www.gnu.org, that shouldn't be a problem: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WindowsRuntimeAndGPL Anyway, better solutions have already been offered so I'll say no more on this thread. Benjamin. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 -0000 Issue 115
Ulrik Petersen wrote: IANAL, but the way I understand it, you can't link against their libraries and still distribute your code under an Open Source license, or distribute your binaries under a license that requires that the software be offered at no charge. My understanding may be flawed, so read the EULA yourself before deciding whether the toolchain is for you. It looks like they only bar you from distributing their redistributables under the terms of a viral license. You'd still be free to compile, link, and distribute binaries of open source apps under other licenses. -- http://www.classic-games.com/ http://www.indie-games.com/ "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that..." -- John Kerry 12/15/03 "I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages." -- John Kerry 4/18/71 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sqlite] Re: sqlite-users Digest 22 May 2004 05:23:11 -0000 Issue 115
Hello all, Michael Roth wrote: > and I wrote: - Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003. Microsoft recently released their compiler and toolchain for free download: http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/ Check the license! It is not really fair! Don't use this toolchain. Oops, I hadn't read the license (nor used the software). The licensing restrictions are rather agressive towards all Open Source software. Read especially section 3.2. The EULA is here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/eula.aspx IANAL, but the way I understand it, you can't link against their libraries and still distribute your code under an Open Source license, or distribute your binaries under a license that requires that the software be offered at no charge. My understanding may be flawed, so read the EULA yourself before deciding whether the toolchain is for you. Sorry for suggesting Microsoft's "free" toolchain. I didn't know any better. Cheers, Ulrik - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
