Re: AW: future of icap-patch

2005-05-03 Thread Henrik Nordstrom
On Tue, 3 May 2005, Baumgaertel Oliver wrote:
Well Henrik, that was my point exactly. The problem I have with that is
plain and simple. Squid 3 is in development since what, 3 years now? 
It'll take at least another year to get it into a usable, complete release.
Yes. Not the proudest release cycle, but these things happens.
Then I'll have most likely to wait another half year until I can 
introduce it as a test version on one server of the main farm. And then 
I'll get permission to invest work into it to add the features we need 
or to fix issues we'll encounter.
Then you will always be in a tricky position as your development will be 
based on a version in freezed state where no new additions will be allowed 
in. New additions is only allowed in the development phase of the release 
cycle. After a version has gone into the STABLE state of it's development 
cycle no new features is allowed in.

If you finish your development reasonaly recent after the STABLE1 release 
then chances are high that it can get quite easily merged into the 
development version, but the more time which passes after the STABLE1 
release the higher the risk that there will be significant amount of work 
to merge your developments into the current version. But I do not think we 
will see as large changes as in the Squid-2.X - Squid-3.X in a long 
while to come.

Besides, last time I looked the 
documentation of 3 was just as bad as the one 2 has.
Squid-3 has somewhat better documentation than Squid-2 as each section 
restructured has had it's documentation updated/written, but there 
obviously is large gaps.

However I put it, I am on the loosing end. I could start to write an icap
version for S3, but I have also to make that same code run in S2. Perhaps I
can give persuading my employer another shot to go with the current version
as is and letting me concentrate on S3 as I originally intended in the first
place. But given the current time frame I'd have a better chance to get the
clearance for a complete own proxy project.
To put things simple:
Squid-3 needs more people looking at it for Squid development to move 
forward in a reasonable pace. Frankly until this happens we are all at the 
loosing end.

The current state is that the main Squid project is currently 2 persons 
working actively some hours a week, one on Squid-3 (Guido) and one on 
Squid-2.5 (myself) plus some persons working an hour here or there. Then 
there is a handful independent developers working on a certain development 
feature of their interest.

Regards
Henrik


Re: AW: future of icap-patch

2005-05-03 Thread Tsantilas Christos
Baumgaertel Oliver wrote:
Same procedure as last time... It won't patch against the normal STABLE9
branch. What is exactly what I was talking about in the first place. It's no
use if we can't run the patch at least against ones that were already
introduced some time ago...
Ok, but this happens because the icap patch was not stable enough when 
the STABLE9
was released (still is not) , so it was not make sense to produce a 
squid-icap-2.5-STABLE9 
version because it does not work well.
Since STABLE9 was released I corrected a number of bugs, and it was not 
easy for me, I am
not as experianced are the other squid developers, here.
In the other hand we must  follow the squid development, when the icap 
patch will be stable
maybe the squid has reach the STABLE55 release..

The new version for squid planned for 8 May. If the icap patch looks 
enough stable, we can
freeze a patch release for squid-icap, and why not, make a 
squid-icap-2.5.STABLE10.tgz
file distribution.

.And the only way around that is to get it into the
main branch. As long as we need the main part of the time to get it into the
current code at all it's not possible to really improve its condition.

Henrik explained to us the development status of squid.
I want to see an icap client in squid3. If someone starts the
development of it, I will try to help.
But, for my point of view,  this is the only I can do in this phase
Regards
 Christos